rovingpictures
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Hi There,
I need a mobo with 2x 2080 RTXs, not SLI, and room for an additional 4 lane card (Blackmagic Decklink card, which I think is 4 lane). I want the 2080s to run at x16 speed. What are my options? Does the micro atx have this option?
Also, no Thunderbolt 3 in any of the EVGA mobos, eh? Hope that is something for the near future?
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 16:49:05
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 17:10:18
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EVGA X299 FTW K, 142-SX-E297-KR, LGA 2066, Intel X299, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.1, USB 3.0, EATX, Intel Motherboard now: $ 199.99EVGA X299 DARK, 151-SX-E299-KR, LGA 2066, Intel X299, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.1, USB 3.0, EATX, Intel Motherboard now: $ 299.99 Intel®Core™ i9-7900X But Intel®Core™ i9-7920X are getting hard to find. I am liking the i9-7920X over the i9-7900X and i9-7940X
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 17:15:53
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Be careful! That black magic card is for 4k capture and playback, and non SLI implies your doing "something".... What that -exact- something is--> "might" work with only 16 CPU PCIE lanes -OR- it might not!!! Only older Intel CPU's/Chipsets support "native" PCIE lanes (above 16) and newer gen AMD CPUs support very large numbers (32-64) *do NOT be fooled by marketing of MB's claiming to support "extra" lanes, if the CPU support says 16 lanes (intel) then the extra "lanes" are added by chips on the MB and then schedule the (extra added lanes) thru the CPU's only supported 16 lanes.. What you will be doing (exactly) with this build will determine if you can "get by" with lessor PCIE lane bandwidth -or- you really DO NEED the larger number of CPU supported PCIE lanes 
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 19:17:47
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Cool GTX
what CPU
Intel has limited PCIe lane in most newer CPU ---> this why I still like the X99 MB
Look at the the CPU you choose will define the number of PCIe lanes
Intel®Core™ i7-7800X & Intel®Core™ i7-7820X ---> 28 PCIe lanes
Intel®Core™ i9-7900X ---> 44 PCIe lanes
The mobo will determine what CPUs I will be able to get. I really would like something ATX or smaller (sorry didn't specify).
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 19:18:56
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now: $199.99
now: $299.99
Intel®Core™ But Intel®Core™ are getting hard to find. I am liking the i9-7920X over the and
Sorry, didn't specific, ATX or smaller. I have a portable case and the EATX is usually for a larger case. Thanks for the i9 recco. What're you liking about it? Just super powerful?
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 19:24:30
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Be careful!
That black magic card is for 4k capture and playback, and non SLI implies your doing "something"....
What that -exact- something is--> "might" work with only 16 CPU PCIE lanes -OR- it might not!!!
Only older Intel CPU's/Chipsets support "native" PCIE lanes (above 16) and newer gen AMD CPUs support very large numbers (32-64)
*do NOT be fooled by marketing of MB's claiming to support "extra" lanes, if the CPU support says 16 lanes (intel) then the extra "lanes" are added by chips on the MB and then schedule the (extra added lanes) thru the CPU's only supported 16 lanes..
What you will be doing (exactly) with this build will determine if you can "get by" with lessor PCIE lane bandwidth -or- you really DO NEED the larger number of CPU supported PCIE lanes
Thanks for your reply! I'm running Blackmagic Davinci Resolve. I currently use an Asus X99-E WS 3.1. I'd like to try to find something that's ATX or smaller, and it also seems like I have to abandon my 2011-3 CPU :( and get an LGA 2066. The program runs best with 2 GPUs, not in SLI. One for GUI (display) and processing and the other is only for processing (as long as they both match, same cards, they can both be used for processing). Then I need the Decklink card as well. So I'm thinking my priority should be to find a mobo that can have both gpus at x16. So first I need to find my mobo options. I like EVGA support a lot. I wish there was TB3 support for the mobos as I get drives from clients that have that type of connection.
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 19:59:42
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☄ Helpfulby rovingpictures 2019/02/20 13:54:17
Wanting 2080s to run at x16 speed and a single 4x card is not going to work on any Micro ATX Motherboard.
ATX yes but then not many are had and getting New CPUs can be hard.
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 20:11:30
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Wanting 2080s to run at x16 speed and a single 4x card is not going to work on any Micro ATX Motherboard.
ATX yes but then not many are had and getting New CPUs can be hard.
Glad to know it wasn't just me thinking it was difficult to find!
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/19 22:06:36
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☄ Helpfulby rovingpictures 2019/02/20 13:54:10
For that kind of Video editing you really should be looking at a AMD Ryzen 7/Threadripper -zen2- (or soon to be released zen 3 Ryzen/Threadripper) setup. While Intel still holds the gaming crown for a few more months (till zen3) there is no debate about where AMD and Intel are now in multithreaded graphics applications and native PCIE lane support... They are at last fairly equal, with AMD having the thread -and- native PCIE count lead. --->And of course you can save $1500+ over any combo (CPU/MB) Intel has to offer. For Graphics or Video editing, there really is no reason to use a overpriced and under performing Intel part. Google around... AMD is making huge waves in content creation over Intel I haven't had a non-Intel CPU since my Opteron dual core (so I am a fan boy) and I only bought that because Intel didn't have a real one yet that performed anywhere near as good. I buy what's best for what I want to use it for -and- to have a performance premium as long as possible. That said, my next system will be a AMD Zen3 12 core/24 thread (or greater) part.... The performance metrics and price will simply be so much better. Don't get me wrong, its just I don't have to 2 years to wait for Intel to catch up to AMD and I'm not sure even then they will...
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/20 08:50:08
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For that kind of Video editing you really should be looking at a AMD Ryzen 7/Threadripper -zen2- (or soon to be released zen 3 Ryzen/Threadripper) setup.
While Intel still holds the gaming crown for a few more months (till zen3) there is no debate about where AMD and Intel are now in multithreaded graphics applications and native PCIE lane support...
They are at last fairly equal, with AMD having the thread -and- native PCIE count lead.
--->And of course you can save $1500+ over any combo (CPU/MB) Intel has to offer.
For Graphics or Video editing, there really is no reason to use a overpriced and under performing Intel part.
Google around... AMD is making huge waves in content creation over Intel
I haven't had a non-Intel CPU since my Opteron dual core (so I am a fan boy) and I only bought that because Intel didn't have a real one yet that performed anywhere near as good. I buy what's best for what I want to use it for -and- to have a performance premium as long as possible.
That said, my next system will be a AMD Zen3 12 core/24 thread (or greater) part.... The performance metrics and price will simply be so much better.
Don't get me wrong, its just I don't have to 2 years to wait for Intel to catch up to AMD and I'm not sure even then they will...
First of all, I really appreciate your answer (and everyone's response on this posting). Secondly, I don't know anything about AMD builds. Seems like I need the proper AMD mobo for the chip and an AMD graphics card as well? The cost of the chip/cores is pretty great, and that's a really good point you make. There are 3 things though that make me a little weary... 1) A little bit of a learning curve with AMD. Can I do 2 gpu's and a decklink card? It's hard to figure these things out when you don't have the $$ to burn :) 2) Davinci Resolve said that in the future they plan to take advantage of the RTX's Tensor cores. What that is though, what it means, hasn't been announced yet. 3) I read on Puget Systems that the AMD boards do not have the Thunderbolt 3 port. I wish I knew why so many boards don't want to have this connection? It's Gigabyte Intel LGA 2066 or bust! It would make my life easier with drives that I receive from my clients. But I know I'm probably the very minority exception...still though, why don't people want to take advantage of this other connection? And why are the Macs, with AMD gpus having thunderbolt while PC AMD boards don't?
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/20 13:24:52
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Because they probably don't want to pay the licencing to Apple for thunderbolt, and why you only see it on an Mac Edit: See my post below
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/22 16:25:43
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The EVGA 270 K had thunderbolt -- we can ask EVGA if Apple or Intel supplied the licencing then but
Intel making Thunderbolt 3 royalty-free for manufacturers in 2018
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/23 00:01:52
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The EVGA 270 K had thunderbolt -- we can ask EVGA if Apple or Intel supplied the licencing then but
Intel making Thunderbolt 3 royalty-free for manufacturers in 2018
You made have to google who actually owns Thunderbolt and found this answer and it is actually pretty old, made me have to retract my statement above - https://propertyintangibl...olt-i-think-apple.html From Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)#Royalty_situation
On 24 May 2017, Intel announced that Thunderbolt 3 would become a royalty-free standard to OEMs and chip manufacturers in 2018, as part of an effort to boost the adoption of the protocol.[62]. As of February 2019 Intel still has not opened up their royalties, and there are no AMD chipsets/computers with Thunderbolt support released or even announced.
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/23 19:56:35
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7900x and above with a ftwk or dark will support your needs. With faster single thread and avx its a faster option than amd for video editing. Not sure what maniacvvv is on about anything above a 7900 has plenty of pci lanes to run everything at fullspeed.
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Re: Looking for too much in a motherboard?
2019/02/25 12:22:00
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7900x and above with a ftwk or dark will support your needs. With faster single thread and avx its a faster option than amd for video editing. Not sure what maniacvvv is on about anything above a 7900 has plenty of pci lanes to run everything at fullspeed.
If single thread speed and 44 lanes are the biggest considerations versus core count it might be worth looking at the i7-9800X. The biggest challenge with that CPU currently though is availability.
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