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https://www.techpowerup.com/251577/amds-initial-production-run-of-radeon-vii-just-5-000-pieces-company-denies-it There was a very bad rumor going around that AMD would only have 5000 units of Radeon 7 available for sale. AMD posted a swift denial to both pieces of news, the size of its production run and the product's profitability. In a statement to MyDrivers, AMD said (translated): "We will not release production figures, but when released on February 7, AMD.com official website and AIB vendor partners will have products on sale, and we expect the supply of Radeon VII to meet the needs of gamers." In short, Radeon VII is shaping up to be the card you'd want to buy if you've sworn a blood-oath never to buy an NVIDIA product, and you need something to play games in 2019 at 4K with.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 09:59:51
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
HBM2 memory bandwidth. Again, with your amazing mind.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
HBM2 memory bandwidth.
Again, with your amazing mind.
Indeed as HBM is actually more important than ray tracing IMHO. Sure HBM has its drawbacks now (high price) but it has the potential to take over as a memory standard. GDDR6 may be more convenient but HBM has a lot going for it. Ray tracing in the end is just a gimmick, more fancy effects to wow the neighbors. HBM however has a far more broad goal, and may replace the DDR memory tech we have been using since the early 2000's (I can see it being really good for server hardware) Or at the very least will be a boon for GPU's
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
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Anecdotal , but the HBM on my Titan V didn't make it do much of anything over what a 2080 Ti does, besides a few more FPS in Vulcan @ 4k res. So believing it will do more on a slower AMD card is fooling yourself, IMO.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
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Anecdotal , but the HBM on my Titan V didn't make it do much of anything over what a 2080 Ti does, besides a few more FPS in Vulcan @ 4k res. So believing it will do more on a slower AMD card is fooling yourself, IMO.
Well note when the Titan V came out HBM was practically brand new and Volta was Nvidia's stop gap for Turing. This isnt about FPS anyhow, Radeon VII is more likely a stop gap until Navi is ready and to further refine HBM. More than likely there will be a HBM variant of Navi with GDDR5x for consumer grade and HBM for enterprise and enthusiasts. Its uncertain if Navi will use GDDR6, with how expensive it is and AMD probably wanting to undercut nvidia for entry level GPU's I dont think Navi will have A gddr6 variant, AMD has their investment in HBM so i think they will favor it for enthusiast cards.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 13:22:16
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Anecdotal , but the HBM on my Titan V didn't make it do much of anything over what a 2080 Ti does, besides a few more FPS in Vulcan @ 4k res. So believing it will do more on a slower AMD card is fooling yourself, IMO.
Well note when the Titan V came out HBM was practically brand new and Volta was Nvidia's stop gap for Turing.
This isnt about FPS anyhow, Radeon VII is more likely a stop gap until Navi is ready and to further refine HBM.
More than likely there will be a HBM variant of Navi with GDDR5x for consumer grade and HBM for enterprise and enthusiasts.
Its uncertain if Navi will use GDDR6, with how expensive it is and AMD probably wanting to undercut nvidia for entry level GPU's I dont think Navi will have A gddr6 variant, AMD has their investment in HBM so i think they will favor it for enthusiast cards.
AMD invested in HBM memory IMO. That is why I am not surprised to see HBM2 in the new refresh Vega GPUs. I am just waiting to see the benchmarks of the new Radeons.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 13:29:53
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Anecdotal , but the HBM on my Titan V didn't make it do much of anything over what a 2080 Ti does, besides a few more FPS in Vulcan @ 4k res. So believing it will do more on a slower AMD card is fooling yourself, IMO.
The Radeon VII has more VRAM, double the memory bandwidth and higher memory bus. I'd wait for benchmarks before passing judgement but Anandtech reported that compute gains over the Vega 64 are only 9%. Coupled with the high TDP (despite proclaimed gains) that's not good. At this price point reviewers will be unkind, to say the least. Nvidia sitting pretty in the top end segment.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 13:31:29
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I am interested to see true performance. AMD has claimed to match NVidia top end performance too many times, and then fall flat on their face at a low tier card, that is old, compared to what they advertise. If they say 2080 performance, I suspect it will be around 2070 performance, simply because that is how it has gone for so long.
Hopefully they will do better this round.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 13:38:20
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I am interested to see true performance. AMD has claimed to match NVidia top end performance too many times, and then fall flat on their face at a low tier card, that is old, compared to what they advertise. If they say 2080 performance, I suspect it will be around 2070 performance, simply because that is how it has gone for so long.
Hopefully they will do better this round.
Well vega 64 in itself was not a bad card and if utilized properly can match the GTX 1080, sure initial release of vega fell flat but its seems to have taken on the fine wine characteristic of Polaris. Vega 56 can easily fill in the gap for 1440p users since the RTX 2060 is such a ripoff. Polaris actually seems to be getting a second life with the 12nm refresh and i can imagine it being a good boon for mid range and entry level users especially now that Nvidia is officially ditching the 10 series so AMD could be facing a good year for older cards for those who are building a new PC
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 17:12:18
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 18:18:52
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
I "LOL" in real life.
LOL all you want. The Radeon 7 is more a compute card then it is a gaming card. I stand by my statement, gamers will put their $700 towards the better gaming card, which is the RTX 2080.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 22:16:15
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What's interesting to me is that AMD denied it was only 5000 cards, but didn't put a figure of their own to the table.
If they have better numbers given Nivida's recent launches, it would make sense to make them public, but they are not... Seems to me that they are lying, and it is only 5000 cards. Embarrassing.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/16 22:28:04
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
HBM2 memory bandwidth.
Again, with your amazing mind.
That is only important if games are made to take advantage of it. Same with the 16GB vs. 8GB. Since NVIDIA is in the driver seat of the GPU market it’s hard to see publishers push the limit of the Radeon VII.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/17 03:08:59
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
I "LOL" in real life.
LOL all you want. The Radeon 7 is more a compute card then it is a gaming card. I stand by my statement, gamers will put their $700 towards the better gaming card, which is the RTX 2080.
AMD designed this card for gamers and not compute projects. I am going to wait to see independent reviews before making any additional opinions. I believe this card will be equal or slightly better than an RTX 2080 when DLSS isn't used.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/17 06:35:54
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That is only important if games are made to take advantage of it. Same with the 16GB vs. 8GB. Since NVIDIA is in the driver seat of the GPU market it’s hard to see publishers push the limit of the Radeon VII.
Just like DXR. Good thing gaming isn't the only hobby available for public indulgence. Now, I'm not disagreeing with anyone about the cards potential performance compared to the 2080 in gaming. The 2080 will hold the advantage in that segment, clearly evident through TDP and pricing already. But if the VII can deliver similar (or in fact better) performance it will have a market. Two serious drawbacks include high TDP and the supposed dismal 9% compute gain over the Vega 64. The latter is more disconcerting.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/17 14:35:43
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
I "LOL" in real life.
LOL all you want. The Radeon 7 is more a compute card then it is a gaming card. I stand by my statement, gamers will put their $700 towards the better gaming card, which is the RTX 2080.
No I really "LOL", it was actually very funny because there is some truth to it. Jeezers
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/17 20:13:44
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What's interesting to me is that AMD denied it was only 5000 cards, but didn't put a figure of their own to the table.
If they have better numbers given Nivida's recent launches, it would make sense to make them public, but they are not... Seems to me that they are lying, and it is only 5000 cards. Embarrassing.
I think the amount of cards from production is not much of a metric to base much off of. Its a rumor, they could plant someone out there to say its 10,000 and start a rumor the other way. No one can prove either or so seems kinds foolish to use it to base anything off of. I think they did the exact right thing and just ignored the rumor mill officially cause either way they will be burned for any answer they give. Until official benches from reputable sights drop there info we are, as always, in the dark.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/17 20:37:21
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16 gb of hbm2.... it does look like a rather good compute card at an unbelievably good price.
But as I’ve spent the better part of 2 years delving into CUDA - I have no desire to learn OpenCL.... even though every Siemens transducer now has the OpenCL stack... I digress
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/17 21:12:37
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In related news my brothers wife's mother's sister heard his dog say that company X will paper launch with only 3097 widgets. Sources at Company X deny the rumor, but if you click through on my article I'll earn 3 cents from data mining your browser cookies. 
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
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In related news my brothers wife's mother's sister heard his dog say that company X will paper launch with only 3097 widgets. Sources at Company X deny the rumor, but if you click through on my article I'll earn 3 cents from data mining your browser cookies.
I missed the talking dog booth at CES - but I think I know which company you're talking about. They will offer both blond and brunette models that have built-in Li-ion batteries ;-)~
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/18 00:27:44
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I'd say if AMD did only produce 5,000 cards, it's 5,000 too many. Why would a gamer give AMD $700 for a card that doesn't have the tech of a Nvidia $700 card?
I "LOL" in real life.
LOL all you want. The Radeon 7 is more a compute card then it is a gaming card. I stand by my statement, gamers will put their $700 towards the better gaming card, which is the RTX 2080.
No I really "LOL", it was actually very funny because there is some truth to it.
Jeezers
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/18 03:03:27
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Well what if Radeon VII is a good gaming card and a good compute card... at the same time?
I still want benchmarks though, people are counting AMD out too quickly.
While yes I cant imagine people buying this for gaming it still may be popular with content creators.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/18 06:51:58
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Well what if Radeon VII is a good gaming card and a good compute card... at the same time?
I still want benchmarks though, people are counting AMD out too quickly.
While yes I cant imagine people buying this for gaming it still may be popular with content creators.
It may be a good gaming card but it doesn't have RT, therefore lets throw it in the grabage. That's the war cry from the opposite corner. And nazcaz or whatever his name is stated that my thinking pattern is linear. Riiiiight.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/18 07:41:57
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Well what if Radeon VII is a good gaming card and a good compute card... at the same time?
I still want benchmarks though, people are counting AMD out too quickly.
While yes I cant imagine people buying this for gaming it still may be popular with content creators.
It may be a good gaming card but it doesn't have RT, therefore lets throw it in the grabage. That's the war cry from the opposite corner.
And nazcaz or whatever his name is stated that my thinking pattern is linear. Riiiiight.
So what any GPU that doesnt support RT is garbage? What about people like me who still have a Pasal card, is GPU now garbage because I didnt spend $500 on the RTX 2070? Or wait for the RTX 2060 despite it only having 6GB of vram for $350? Or a Polaris card? I mean for crapsake the RX 580 is a great budget card right now and it doesnt supoport ray tracing. What if Navi is not going support ray racing? I know I would not expect it to, sure its going to have more time in the oven but no ray tracing can be put in in that short amount of time. And again the Radeon VII is probably a stop gap, and it will have someone who will buy it... maybe people who dont care about ray tracing. Again we only have what one maybe two games who support ray tracing right now, I know I personally have no interest in ray tracing and got what I was able to afford. I got my GTX 1070Ti because it was a black friday and I chose it over the RTX 2070 as the card was still highly priced. $380+tax thats why I paid for my EVGA GTX1070Ti vs the $450+tax of the RTX 2070... yeah paying a premium for a technology thats not even mainstream yet was not in the cards.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
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For those saying graphics eye candy is a 'gimmick', to each their own. I like running games @ max settings with amazing FPS to get that eye candy experience and love it every bit of it. If you like playing black and white, have at it but don't go knocking everything else because you can't experience the same thing...
While I do love seeing high amounts of Vram, being on 1440p, it's not big deal to me as I'll take RTX all day over some more Vram.
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Re: AMD's Initial Production Run of Radeon VII Just 5,000 Pieces, Company Denies it
2019/01/24 09:37:11
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Meh for me i will take the vram then take the gamble on a tech that has such a high cost uptake.
Maybe next round whatever Nvidia has next or AMD has next (as I dont think Navi will have ray tracing) but as it stands the performance deficit with ray tracing is too high for me, I rather have the frames and performance over fancy effects.
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