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First post from my new z390 Dark!...and Vdroop tests

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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/22 10:28:46 (permalink)
serial just looked cleaner in the case.  I have a flow meter on the line and can boost output in a GUI so it didn't really matter.  I monitored temps on each card and found the difference was negligible.   In the future,   I'm just going to buy one heavy hitting card and run one card.   Things have gotten so fast, One GPU will do it.    At the time I purchased those, it would handle any game in sli at stock settings, so I didn't need to overclock them.  So heat really wasn't a factor. 

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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/22 11:28:11 (permalink)
I'm less considered about temps as I have 2 x 360mm and a 480mm UT60s. Rad capacity isn't a problem. Also running the EK Dual D5 pump, so flow isn't really. Based on how the two factors, that may influence parallel vs serial, aren't really an issue for me, I'm tempted to go serial if I do end up going SLI.

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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/22 11:29:58 (permalink)
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Along with the pressure versus flow is in series (generally the bottom card is fist just because of tubing routing) the first card gets the cooler water then the second card gets cooled. Where parallel both cards get the same fresh intake flow. How much of a difference depends on what the work loads are and the water blocks I guess.
 
In reality, yes once the loop gets up to temperature thing should normalize. How much of a temp difference between the cards and weather or not it is affecting things is subjective and in the end it is up to you weather or not it matters.
 
Personally parallel makes more sense - it is up to you to decide


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I have mine setup this way
           1                 2 

          3                   4
Temp Being this Coolant Temperature Sensor Plug, 10K Ohm
(1) Front Left In (2) Top Right Temp shows 31.5°C (2)
(3) Front Left Temp shows 28.9°C (4) Bottom Front Right Out.
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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/22 12:11:36 (permalink)
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I'm less considered about temps as I have 2 x 360mm and a 480mm UT60s. Rad capacity isn't a problem. Also running the EK Dual D5 pump, so flow isn't really. Based on how the two factors, that may influence parallel vs serial, aren't really an issue for me, I'm tempted to go serial if I do end up going SLI.




Issue is that say it is only a 1-2c difference between the 2 cards, the hotter one just might be tripping the threshold step for your GPU clocks


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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/22 13:53:50 (permalink)
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I'm less considered about temps as I have 2 x 360mm and a 480mm UT60s. Rad capacity isn't a problem. Also running the EK Dual D5 pump, so flow isn't really. Based on how the two factors, that may influence parallel vs serial, aren't really an issue for me, I'm tempted to go serial if I do end up going SLI.




Issue is that say it is only a 1-2c difference between the 2 cards, the hotter one just might be tripping the threshold step for your GPU clocks


I guess the question is, that 1 or 2 degree difference, is it even present once your loop equalizes? I personally have never put GPUs on water so this is foreign territory for me.

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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/22 14:27:15 (permalink)
next test results.   I tested a set vcore in the bios.   Measured Idle and Load at various settings (+90%, +75%, +50%, +25%, Default, Auto)  I will spare everyone the actual numbers and go to just my findings.   I observed vcore at idle and load and took high and low values as they wavered (voltage ripple) and made a Voltage average.    I subtracted V average Load from V average Idle and the voltage drops are these:
 
+90%    0.070 volts
+75%    0.068 Volts
+50%    0.048 Volts
+25%    0.034 Volts
Default   0.021 Volts
Auto       0.016 volts 
 
So with this data, you can predict about the drop you will get from vcore DURING LOAD.    Using this data, you can also add to vcore in the BIOS to predict a stable voltage for each vdroop setting.   

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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/22 14:32:15 (permalink)
Total span of vdroop settings:
 
Observed Vcore was slightly larger (~0.005 volts) at idle than what I put into the bios with negative percentages.   Vcore was slightly less (~0.002 volts) than what I put in the bios with Positive percentages. 
 
The voltage gains are these: 

-25% added 0.005 to vcore from what I put into the bios at idle
         added 0.003 to vcore under load.   Minor increase. 
-50% added 0.005 to 0.01 to vcore from what I put into the bios at idle
         added 0.020 to vcore under load.  Small increase
-75% added 0.01 to 0.013 to vcore from what I put into the bios at idle
         added 0.018 to 0.042 under load   Moderate increase
 
the voltage drops are these:
 
+90%    0.070 volts
+75%    0.068 Volts
+50%    0.048 Volts
+25%    0.034 Volts
Default   0.021 Volts
Auto       0.016 volts 
 
test performed at 5.1ghz.    C states and virtulization disabled. Windows set to max performance.    voltages read in Eleet and cpus stress was under intel extreme tuning utility.   I am sure you can try this with different CPU stressing programs.  I used the intel extreme tuning utility because the engineer of the board indirectly recommended it.  

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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/22 22:28:24 (permalink)
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I'm less considered about temps as I have 2 x 360mm and a 480mm UT60s. Rad capacity isn't a problem. Also running the EK Dual D5 pump, so flow isn't really. Based on how the two factors, that may influence parallel vs serial, aren't really an issue for me, I'm tempted to go serial if I do end up going SLI.




Issue is that say it is only a 1-2c difference between the 2 cards, the hotter one just might be tripping the threshold step for your GPU clocks


I guess the question is, that 1 or 2 degree difference, is it even present once your loop equalizes? I personally have never put GPUs on water so this is foreign territory for me.

 
Sorry Delirious for slightly derailing your awesome testing of the Vdroop stuff
 
Regardless of loop normalization there will be a difference between the cards when in series since the fluid exits one card and immediately enters the next card to cool it without any chance to dump the heat


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Re: First post from my new z390 Dark! 2019/01/23 04:16:32 (permalink)

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