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Hi Everybody, I bought a Lian Li PC-O11 AIR case with a USB 3.1, Gen 2, 10Gb, Type-C header. I am installing an EVGA X299 Dark motherboard. Alas, the EVGA X299 Dark has everything I want except a place to plug in the cable from the Lian Li USB Type-C header panel. That is, my motherboard does not have the female connector like the U31G2_1/U31G2_EC1 I see on several ASUS motherboards. The cable from the Lian Li header seems to want a USB 3.1, Gen 2, female connector on the motherboard, though I suspect that connector has a more precise name. I have searched high and low and I can’t find the name for the connector. I have attached images of a cable like the one coming from the front of the Liam Li PC-O11 case and of the female connector I see on boards that have one. I have found a German part from a company called DeLOCK. Their part is # 89603 Internal SATA, USB 3.1 interface cards/adapter - also described as PCIe x4 - 1x USB 3.1 Gen2, Controller. This has a place to plug in the very odd-looking cable coming from the Lian Li PC-O11 Air front panel. Alas, this part is not sold in the US. I suspect DeLOCK has not gotten regulatory approval or has some similar issue. Does anyone know of a US available part that will connect the Lian Li USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C header to an EVGA X299 Dark motherboard? I assume this will need to connect to PCIe and use 4 lanes from either the CPU or the PCH. Also, assuming I do find the part... Does anyone know if PCH can handle 10Gb USB 3.1 Gen 2 so I can avoid giving up 4 CPU lanes for the PCIe card? Thanks in advance to all the folks who generously share their knowledge and expertise. Lou
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/10 15:25:17
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/10 15:55:45
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Thanks! I looked at the PW – INC1TR. It has two problems. 1) This downgrades the USB 3.1 Gen 2 to the lower speeds of 3.0. 2) The part is no longer available. I am looking for a full-speed USB Gen 2 solution. Lou
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
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This is the card you want then - https://www.delock.de/pro..e/G_89801/merkmale.html you almost need to search ebay for Delock 89801 as you wont find it online for US market Edit note: Fixed the link to take you to the page
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
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I would buy the Delock but its NO where to be had where I can find one... I am sure somebody else makes a card. Funny though the Moddy website says it will do full 3.1 speeds by combining the 2 channels into one. I don't know. Should I be able to get both to work for now that will good enough for now, even if not at full speed. I am sure SOMEBODY else sooner or later will make internal USB 3.1 female header.
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/11 06:18:48
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Thanks KimbaWLion. I found the Grooves-inc.com folks last night also. It is a long lead time, but at least they are selling it. I don't see anyone else selling a USB 3.1 Gen 2 solution to this problem. Too bad EVGA did not put the connector on the board. Thanks also to GGTV-Jon for you efforts. I got to looking at the Delock part. There are two, very similar parts. They are 89801 and 89603 Item # 89801, Delock PCI Express Card > 1 x internal USB 3.1 Gen 2 key B 20 pin female Item # 89603, Delock PCI Express Card > 1 x internal USB 3.1 Gen 2 key A 20 pin female
There are two differences I can find. The 89801 allows two devices to be connected (although only one plug is pictured.) The 89603 allows one device to be connected. The other difference is the 89801 has a "key B" 20-pin female connector and the 89603 has a "key A" 20-pin female connector. Ugh. And the photos are not reliable, because they do not show the correct number of plugs. I wonder what a "key A" and a "key B" are. I assume one pin is blocked, or similar. I don't feel like waiting weeks, just to find out I got the wrong key. Call me wasteful, but I am going to buy both and see which one fits. Maybe, not likely--but maybe, I can return the other one. Lou
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/11 11:32:49
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LouKur Thanks KimbaWLion. I found the Grooves-inc.com folks last night also. It is a long lead time, but at least they are selling it. I don't see anyone else selling a USB 3.1 Gen 2 solution to this problem. Too bad EVGA did not put the connector on the board. Thanks also to GGTV-Jon for you efforts. I got to looking at the Delock part. There are two, very similar parts. They are 89801 and 89603 Item # 89801, Delock PCI Express Card > 1 x internal USB 3.1 Gen 2 key B 20 pin female Item # 89603, Delock PCI Express Card > 1 x internal USB 3.1 Gen 2 key A 20 pin female
There are two differences I can find. The 89801 allows two devices to be connected (although only one plug is pictured.) The 89603 allows one device to be connected. The other difference is the 89801 has a "key B" 20-pin female connector and the 89603 has a "key A" 20-pin female connector. Ugh. And the photos are not reliable, because they do not show the correct number of plugs. I wonder what a "key A" and a "key B" are. I assume one pin is blocked, or similar. I don't feel like waiting weeks, just to find out I got the wrong key. Call me wasteful, but I am going to buy both and see which one fits. Maybe, not likely--but maybe, I can return the other one. Lou
Report back when you get everything so we can see what actually worked Cheers
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/20 21:04:52
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BTW this what the header description reads. So MAYBE you can get 3.1 speed off the USB 3.0 internal header... and I got this off the the modDIY website of the link I gave... " New Motherboard USB 3.0 Header to New USB 3.1 Front Panel Header Converter (All Black) This mini USB 3.0 to USB 3.1 adapeter board is a converter to convert the available USB 3.0 header of a motherboard into a USB 3.1 header. Thus the USB 3.1 port of a housing can also be supplied with USB 3.1 without a suitable mainboard. The compact adapter can be inserted directly and requires no additional attachments. Even the most up-to-date motherboards with AMD AM4 or Intel 2066 sockets are not always equipped with a USB 3.1 header. This converter is the perfect solution to use the USB 3.1 connectors with Type-C or Type-A. The small converter is plugged into a USB 3.0 header that provides two USB 3.0 lanes. Thus, two data lines with 5 Gbps each are available, which are bundled into a USB 3.1 header with 10 Gbit / s. This USB 3.0 to USB 3.1 converter thus provides a full-fledged USB 3.1 port."
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/21 09:29:53
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It might combine the data paths for the 10Gbs but doesn't the true 3.1 also have a higher amperage rating? If so then it is lacking in supported power delivery
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
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GGTV-Jon It might combine the data paths for the 10Gbs but densest the true 3.1 also have a higher amperage rating? If so then it is lacking in supported power delivery
Maybe I had HARDLY an expert at any of this. I am one of those that crosses every finger and toe when I build a machine until I press that on button... I do agree that card is THE best way to go an hopefully we will hear soon by the member here that ordered both.
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/24 14:37:22
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Okay, finally figured it out. The Key A card supports 1 USB Type-C port or 1 Standard-A port. The Key B card supports 2 Standard-A ports. Since the Lian Li PC-O11 Air has a USB Type-C connector, I need the card with the Key A connector. That is the Delock Item No. 89603. Side note: The connector from the front of the Lian Li case will fit either card. That is, it fits both the Key A card (Item # 89603) and the Key B card (Item # 89801). So much for this being a keyed connector, despite the name. Since the cable is coming from a Type C connector, I think it should only fit the Key A socket--especially when the connector is named "Key A". I have not tried powering on either at this point, and I am not sure powering up the wrong card is a good idea. Pins 12 and 13 are TX2+ and TX2- for the Key A and the opposite, TX2- and TX2+ for the Key B. That is a big voltage difference, and is plenty of volts to blow up a chip. Lian Li should have given more guidance with this. The Lian Li manual says absolutely nothing. To cross check this, I looked at an ASUS motherboard board that has a built-in connector for the type of cable coming from the front of the Lian Li case. The pins are exactly the same as the documentation for a Key A 20-Pin Connector. I found the information in a pdf named USB3p1_Front_Panel_CabCon_Implment_Doc_Rev1p1.pdf, which is titled "USB 3.1/USB Type C Desktop Front Panel Cable and Connector Implementation Document" and is put out by "USB Implementers Forum, Inc." whoever that is. That document has the pin specifications for the Key A and the Key B connectors. They are very different. Bottom line, I think it is the Key A and Part number 89603. I'll see if anything starts smoking or catches fire when I turn it on. Lou
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/24 15:20:19
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Now for the real fun. Do I plug the Delock card into PE6 and use PCH lanes or plug it into another slot and use PCIe lanes? I have some PCIe lanes available, so I could plug in it either way. I tend to think a USB device is not going to challenge the speed of PCH lanes, but I don't have any data to turn that thought into something more concrete. Has anyone got any data on PCH lanes and USB 3.1, Gen 2, Type-C speeds? Does anyone have any rational basis for picking PCIe versus PCH here? Lou
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/24 17:02:43
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What are you going to be connecting on those ports?
If it is VR related I would say CPU lanes, if it is for contacting something like your phone then PCH
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/24 19:35:30
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Interesting comment. Very interesting. At the moment, I am planning to connect a backup drive and, from time to time, a portable Blu-Ray drive. I don't think either of those will actually use USB 3.1 Gen 2. I think those will downgrade to USB 3.0, Gen 1. What I was thinking about looking forward to when I would have a device that would connect and fully use the Gen 2 10Gbps bandwidth. I know my smart phone can connect via USB 3.1 Gen 2, Type C--but frankly it does not take must time to pull off photos and video with Gen 1 of USB 3.0. Now a VR device is another story. My plan is to get into VR, but I know zero about that. It did not occur to me that I would connect via USB. Makes sense though. The USB 3.1, Gen 2, Type C involved here is on the front panel. For some reason I had it in my head that a VR device would connect via Display Port; however, as I said before I know nothing about those--so this was a casual assumption. Obviously, if that is how the device [I have yet to research and buy] is to connect to USB, Type C--this will be the port I will want to use. I wonder what kind of data rate those need? Do you know? Lou
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/24 20:53:33
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I personally do not own a VR device - I just know they do connect. Not if you were using a newer NVIDIA card with USB on the GPU card I would think using that would be better
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/25 06:31:09
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Okay, good to know--because I am using RTX TITAN. I see the USB Type C on it as well. I guess everything plugs into that? Hmmm, I will need some long cords to reach those plugs.
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Re: Lian Li PC-O11 Air USB 3.1 Gen 2 header
2019/01/27 08:06:44
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The DeLOCK 89603 is very disappointing. The PCIe card did not seat well. The card seated into the motherboard loosely. When I screwed down the bracket the card popped out of the motherboard. I had to bend the bracket to get the card to seat at the same time the bracket was securely screwed. Also, the cable from the front panel of the Lian Li case did not seat securely. It kept wanting to pop out. I think this female connector and/or the male plug are designed poorly. There is no latch. While trying to press the male connector down hard, to see if that would seat it better, the SATA power connector crumbled in my hand. My hands are large, and fairly strong--but I am no muscle man. I don't feel like I used excessive force. I have been handling computer parts professionally since 1976. I have never had a part break like this before. The words Tinker Toy came to mind. In any event, I did not get a chance to try the DeLOCK 89603 before it broke--so I don't know if this accomplished what I was setting out to accomplish. I considered buying another DeLOCK 89603 to replace the one I broke. I decided a replacement would have the same problems, and my chances of breaking a second one would be high. So, I started looking around for another part that solves the same problem. After a lot of searching, I found the Lycom UB-152. See: http://www.lycom.com.tw/UB-152.htm. I like this design better, because the SATA power connection allows the cable to be connected in a saddle seating. Saddle seating is more natural for SATA power cables, because of the multiple connectors on the same cable. I am not sure how well the cable will route through my PCIe cards. The other card, with its end connector for SATA may easily be the superior design. My primary hope is the Lycom card will seat better and won't crumble in my hand. I looked high and low for someone who sold the Lycom UB-152 in the US. I had no luck until I searched by the product description. I found that, you guessed it, DeLOCK is selling this card as their 89906. Consequently, I placed another order with DeLOCK for an 89906, aka Lycom UB-152. It will be interesting to see how the Lycom part fits. I am attaching images of the newly discovered part. Lou
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