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2018/11/24 13:43:18 (permalink)
Hello all. Thanks for reading.

I am currently running a 850 Pro SATA in an X99/5930k (with no M.2 slot)
No issues, just want to upgrade the SSD.

I'm thinking of purchasing the following as a (boot drive OS Win 10):
- Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD | https://www.newegg.com/Pr...147690&ignorebbr=1
- A PCIe M.2 card like this possibly | https://www.newegg.com/Pr...G64913&ignorebbr=1

My question is: Will this AIC M.2 card support the speeds of the SSD which is 3400 MBPS.
I'm worried it will be slow.
Also will this drive be bootable OS

Thanks for any input, its appreciated.
 
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/11/24 21:49:59 (permalink)
    The card you listed is a pcie 3.0 x4. Theoretically that should be 4000 mb/s, so yeah it would be fast enough for the 970 evo. The real question i would be asking is if anyone knows if the x99 motherboard will detect the m.2 card through a pcie slot in the bios.

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/11/24 22:07:46 (permalink)
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     The real question i would be asking is if anyone knows if the x99 motherboard will detect the m.2 card through a pcie slot in the bios.




    Yes that is also the question?


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/11/25 06:00:03 (permalink)
    if not : https://www.win-raid.com/t871f50-Guide-How-to-get-full-NVMe-support-for-all-Systems-with-an-AMI-UEFI-BIOS.html

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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/11/25 09:03:09 (permalink)
    It may not Work with X99..I don't know?.  I could use one of the new ones, the PNY is dogged out...wasn't the best in writes.
    post edited by batboy88 - 2018/11/25 09:10:38

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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/11/25 23:57:57 (permalink)
    I run boot in Legacy mode instead of uefi due to RAID. Not sure if that have impact.
    nofearek9
    if not : https://www.win-raid.com/t871f50-Guide-How-to-get-full-NVMe-support-for-all-Systems-with-an-AMI-UEFI-BIOS.html


    Thanks for this, I will read up on it.


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/11/26 12:24:26 (permalink)
    Please post back your results man, defiantly interested if this works or not.

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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/11 12:42:24 (permalink)
    i am running a similar card with my hp ex920 1tb
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GCXCR7W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
    motherboard m.2 slot pcie 2.0 x4

    pcie 3.0 x4 expansion card

    post edited by smoke1877 - 2018/12/24 17:36:48
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/12 10:16:26 (permalink)
    I was running a 960 EVO on my X99 Classified board as the boot drive.  I was using this > https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1Z5-0018-00020
     
    I ran it with a full UEFI setup.  Just do a fresh OS install to your 970 with no other drives attached until after you have the OS installed.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/12 10:35:43 (permalink)
    :o i thought motherboard nvme slots are fasters than the pcie cards.
    does exist pcie card with 16x speed ? (i know there are lot that can be installed on 16x pcie port but are only 4x speed)

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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/12 10:46:19 (permalink)
    nofearek9
    :o i thought motherboard nvme slots are fasters than the pcie cards.
    does exist pcie card with 16x speed ? (i know there are lot that can be installed on 16x pcie port but are only 4x speed)


    The person above (post #8) shows some big differences using an M2 slot vs the pcie adapter.  Not sure why.  I tested my 960 on my X299 platform both ways and the results were within margin of error for both.
     
    Even though the pcie adapter can be placed in a x16 slot, it will still run at x4 speed.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/12 11:07:40 (permalink)
    it would be nice to have x16 adapters

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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/13 17:54:26 (permalink)
    I have been unable to acquire a Samsung 970 EVO as everyone has them back ordered. 
    Hopefully after Christmas I will be able to purchase one, and I'm also still researching which PCIe card to get.
    I see alot of PCIe 2.0 cards rather then 3.0 which might make a difference.
     
    Also when testing, keep in mind some SSDs are faster then others, so just because you don't see that much difference from m.2 to PCIe slot.
     
    Also, My board has no M.2 slot so I have to use PCIe
     
    My main concern is will this work as a boot drive, if not will even work as secondary storage
    (I will not be using UEFI Mode) I use Legacy due to RAID 0 for my less aggressive games.
    Games like Star Citizen will go an SSD like the 970 EVO via PCIe3.0


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/13 17:58:57 (permalink)
    mr_scary
    I have been unable to acquire a Samsung 970 EVO as everyone has them back ordered. 

    In Stock and Ships from and sold by Amazon.com
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB - NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 SSD (MZ-V7E500BW) In Stock
    Samsung 970 EVO 250GB - NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 SSD (MZ-V7E250BW) In Stock
     
    In Stock on Newegg as well
    Your link from 3 weeks ago are in stock Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD | https://www.newegg.com/Pr...147690&ignorebbr=1
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/14 08:43:23 (permalink)
    I wonder if anyone can confirm that an M.2 to PCIe (3.0) adapter will at least be detected and used as a secondary storage SSD while in Legacy Mode
     
    As soon as I add something in my cart, it gets removed due to no longer available, I just got tired of trying.
    probably Christmas orders getting canceled or something. Same thing with the RTX 1080 Black I want.
    I decided to just wait until after New Years, when all the return stock has been cycled through.
    I have a problem with buying things that have shipped several times during the holidays, plus I want to order my items together.
     


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/14 09:01:30 (permalink)
    I just Now ordered from Amazon the link I posted above.
    Post the Link to the place you are ordering from.
    But also Post the Product Make and Model Number of the Item you are looking for.
    Also are you in the US or EU or some other place in the World.
     
    Are you only wanting to Order from Newegg?
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 500GB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E500BW
    In stock. Limit 2 per customer.  Ships from United States. Sold and Shipped by Newegg Link
     
     
    I would Pass on this item.
    - A PCIe M.2 card like this possibly | https://www.newegg.com/Pr...G64913&ignorebbr=1
    International Seller
    Nor this From Newegg
    M.2 PCIe NVMe or PCIe AHCIM.2 PCIe SSD to PCIe 3.0 x 4 and M.2 SATA SSD to SATA III Adapter Card, Support NGFF M+B Key SSD Card Adapter Converter to Desktop with Low Profile Bracket(SSD not included) $49.98 Link
    International Seller
     
    Estimated tax to be collected: $11.80 (Colorado) Order total: $267.77 all Prime.
    GLOTRENDS 4 in 1 M.2 NVME to PCIE 3.0 X 4 M.2 SATA SSD to SATA III Adapter Card, 2 x Aluminum Heatsink, 7 Color RGB, Support 2280/2260/2242/2230 (PA12-HS)  $19.99  Link From Amazon Arrives before Christmas.
    In Stock.  Sold by GLOTRENDS in US and Fulfilled by Amazon.
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB - NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 SSD (MZ-V7E500BW) Amazon In Stock and Arrives before Christmas
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/14 18:30:46 (permalink)
    Yeah I only order from newegg, and I do see its back in stock.
    But the 2080 black is out of stock again. I quit ordering from electronics from Amazon a while back due getting knock off items


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/15 10:34:52 (permalink)
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    Yeah I only order from newegg, and I do see its back in stock.
    But the 2080 black is out of stock again. I quit ordering from electronics from Amazon a while back due getting knock off items


    You must not be making sure that the items you are buying states "Ships from and sold by Amazon.com."
    You have seemed to of added a Graphics Card in the Mix now, Best of luck with you new system.
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/16 13:27:08 (permalink)
    There are multiple items, either the prices change, it goes out of stock on several items.
    And, I have also purchased Christmas Gifts as well. So I am putting this upgrade off untill after New Years.
    The 970 EVO price has now increased at Newwegg, and Bestbuy.
     
    I try to buy local whenever possible, And yes even if buying from Amazon not 3rd party you can still get knock off.
    I hate when Youtubers buy knock off and give a bad review of an item I have that is clearly better.
    Or friends that I recommend an item to, and they say it's flimsy and broke real easy.
    I know Amazon says they stand behind it though.
     
    We have an issue here where people are stealing packages from our porch.
    They actually follow UPS drivers around ans steal the packages.
    The last job I worked I watched the UPS guy drop packages off at the gate next a busy raod, the house is 500/600 ft from the gate. it was 4 packages, I could not believe it.
    So it is best to order all at once to minimize package count, and have it delivered to a facility USPS/UPS/Fedex etc.. and pick them up there.
    So if I purchase like 10 items, and from different E-Tailers I will be driving around picking up packages, and don't have time for that.
     
    I do appreciate the help though.


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/16 13:37:35 (permalink)
    It is also getting to close to Christmas to order and have items shipped without the chance of the package being lost and what not. 

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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/16 13:59:58 (permalink)
    There should be no issue with NVME support on X99. Support was added as far back as X79. I have tested a 960 evo and a 950 pro in my X79 RIVE using a pcie adapter card. I have not tested using it as a boot drive but have read that it is supported.




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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/16 16:18:18 (permalink)
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    There should be no issue with NVME support on X99. Support was added as far back as X79. I have tested a 960 evo and a 950 pro in my X79 RIVE using a pcie adapter card. I have not tested using it as a boot drive but have read that it is supported.


    Awesome, I appreciate the info..

    Yeah I also think it will be fine as a secondary drive. The boot drive may pose some issues, especially if not using uefi mode.
    I really don't want to sacrifice my 5TB Raid 0 I use for games, It's super fast. Just certain things I need to be on a super fast SSD.
    I do have the 850 PRO SATA3 SSD for the OS right now. So I can keep that as is, and have the NVME for certain programs that require faster seek.


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2018/12/24 17:31:42 (permalink)
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    nofearek9
    :o i thought motherboard nvme slots are fasters than the pcie cards.
    does exist pcie card with 16x speed ? (i know there are lot that can be installed on 16x pcie port but are only 4x speed)


    The person above (post #8) shows some big differences using an M2 slot vs the pcie adapter.  Not sure why.  I tested my 960 on my X299 platform both ways and the results were within margin of error for both.
     
    Even though the pcie adapter can be placed in a x16 slot, it will still run at x4 speed.




    that's because the m.2 slot on the x99 classified is only pcie 2.0 x4 and not 3.0 x4 you are also on x299 so you wont see an improvement running a card
     
     
    PCI-E Lane Distribution (40 Lane Processor)
     PE1 – x16 (x8 if PE2 is used)  <-1080 ti
     PE2 – x8
     PE3 – x8
     PE4 – x16 (x8 if PE3 is used) <- pcie 3.0 nvme expansion card installed here
     PE5 – x4 (Gen 2 only, 4 lanes pulled from PCH)
     PE6 – x8 <- some reason enabled some kind of pcie hot swap function i could right click and eject the ssd so i moved the ssd to pe4
    post edited by smoke1877 - 2018/12/24 17:47:26
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2019/01/02 07:39:28 (permalink)
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    nofearek9
    :o i thought motherboard nvme slots are fasters than the pcie cards.
    does exist pcie card with 16x speed ? (i know there are lot that can be installed on 16x pcie port but are only 4x speed)


    The person above (post #8) shows some big differences using an M2 slot vs the pcie adapter.  Not sure why.  I tested my 960 on my X299 platform both ways and the results were within margin of error for both.
     
    Even though the pcie adapter can be placed in a x16 slot, it will still run at x4 speed.




    that's because the m.2 slot on the x99 classified is only pcie 2.0 x4 and not 3.0 x4 you are also on x299 so you wont see an improvement running a card
     
     
    PCI-E Lane Distribution (40 Lane Processor)
     PE1 – x16 (x8 if PE2 is used)  <-1080 ti
     PE2 – x8
     PE3 – x8
     PE4 – x16 (x8 if PE3 is used) <- pcie 3.0 nvme expansion card installed here
     PE5 – x4 (Gen 2 only, 4 lanes pulled from PCH)
     PE6 – x8 <- some reason enabled some kind of pcie hot swap function i could right click and eject the ssd so i moved the ssd to pe4


    You're right.  I forgot about that.  It's been awhile since I was running my X99 Classy...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2019/01/12 08:11:24 (permalink)
    FWIW, I decided to try this  in our x99 micro 2 (https://www.amazon.com/QNINE-Adapter-Express-Controller-Expansion/dp/B075MDH28Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1547309320&sr=8-5&keywords=qnine+pcie+ssd+to+m.2+key+m+adapter+card) with a 500gb 970 evo. Just put it in for a fast, gaming fps drive. (Not boot drive) Easily done with over 3500 mb/sec read times.

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2019/01/12 08:48:06 (permalink)
    Plug/Play?  Windows see's the drive after you format/assign drive letter ect?

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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2019/01/13 07:30:11 (permalink)
    Yes, had to download the driver from samsung. After that it was pretty much plug and play.
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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2019/01/16 15:55:50 (permalink)
    smoke1877
     PE6 – x8 <- some reason enabled some kind of pcie hot swap function i could right click and eject the ssd so i moved the ssd to pe4

     
    Same here I have that issue with a Firewire card in PE6
     

    delta7
    FWIW, I decided to try this  in our x99 micro 2 (https://www.amazon.com/QNINE-Adapter-Express-Controller-Expansion/dp/B075MDH28Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1547309320&sr=8-5&keywords=qnine+pcie+ssd+to+m.2+key+m+adapter+card) with a 500gb 970 evo. Just put it in for a fast, gaming fps drive. (Not boot drive) Easily done with over 3500 mb/sec read times.

     
    Thank you for posting this. It's really appreciated.


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2019/03/17 21:06:23 (permalink)
    I ended up ordering this https://www.wd.com/products/internal-ssd/wd-black-sn750-nvme-ssd.html#WDS100T3XHC
    Western Digital SN750 NVME SSD 1TB with EK Heatsink.
     
    I could not resist the free 2TB WD Black.
     
    I had put in my email address a while back to reserve one.
    I got an email yesterday they had become available, and got a free WD Black 2TB with purchase at Western Digital store.
    (The 500GB version comes with a free 1TB WD Black)
     
    I ordered this PCIe card. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GFDVXVJ/  
    It doesn't look like any real circuitry here, just adapts the slots contacts from what I can see.
     
    I may install this into the Hot Swap PCIe slot (LOL)
     
    Will see how this goes with Legacy boot / RAID Enabled
    I will post my results here.
     
    post edited by mr_scary - 2019/03/17 21:10:46


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    Re: Samsung 970 EVO > M.2 to PCIe Card > X99 FTW 2019/03/17 21:12:16 (permalink)
    Thanks for the Update
     
     

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