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2018/11/18 11:15:00 (permalink)
The Geforce Game Ready Drivers 4xx.xx Drivers on the GTX 10 Series Drop more than 2/3 in OpenCL or CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers
PG AP Runtimes running on the EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Graphics Card. Smaller Numbers are Faster or Better.
Driver: 411.70 Run time (sec) 2,619.05 CPU time (sec) 45.12
Driver: 416.16 Run time (sec) 2,356.02 CPU time (sec) 43.10
Driver: 416.81 Run time (sec) 2,507.31 CPU time (sec) 44.83
Driver: 416.69 Run time (sec) 2,609.08 CPU time (sec) 46.11
Driver: 391.35 Run time (sec)   851.45 CPU time (sec) 40.19
Driver: 390.65 Run time (sec)   852.15 CPU time (sec) 38.39
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/18 11:24:06 (permalink)
    Wow, that sort of performance loss is just unacceptable. I would hope this is a bug rather than intentional gimping on Nvidia's part...


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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/18 11:24:10 (permalink)
    Holy cow that's a big drop
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/18 12:07:05 (permalink)
    Super Extreme drop! Thanks nvidia!

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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/18 12:55:10 (permalink)
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    The Geforce Game Ready Drivers 4xx.xx Drivers on the GTX 10 Series Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers
    PG AP Runtimes running on the EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Graphics Card. Smaller Numbers are Faster or Better.
    Driver: 411.70 Run time (sec) 2,619.05 CPU time (sec) 45.12
    Driver: 416.16 Run time (sec) 2,356.02 CPU time (sec) 43.10
    Driver: 416.81 Run time (sec) 2,507.31 CPU time (sec) 44.83
    Driver: 416.69 Run time (sec) 2,609.08 CPU time (sec) 46.11
    Driver: 391.35 Run time (sec)   851.45 CPU time (sec) 40.19
    Driver: 390.65 Run time (sec)   852.15 CPU time (sec) 38.39




    What's this from? It looks like you copied it from an article or something.

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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/18 13:12:01 (permalink)
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    What's this from? It looks like you copied it from an article or something.

    It is from my own data 
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    My Current Running Tasks and where the data is coming form.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/18 13:12:06 (permalink)
    Thanks for the fyi on this issue

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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/18 13:14:08 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    Thanks for the fyi on this issue

    Thanks,
    I was wondering why only one of my rigs was taking 3 times longer to complete with the same task on the same Graphics Card.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/18 13:32:14 (permalink)
    does it only start on the 4xx drivers or are 397.xx to 399.xx drivers also effected ? this is quite the performance hit from a driver update
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/18 13:34:27 (permalink)
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    does it only start on the 4xx drivers or are 397.xx to 399.xx drivers also effected ? this is quite the performance hit from a driver update

    I can test after our current event is over.
    After Tuesday that is. Event Link & Our Team Link
    I never found Drivers above 391.35 that Folded well so I never tested the rest of them.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/18 14:16:57 (permalink)
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    The Geforce Game Ready Drivers 4xx.xx Drivers on the GTX 10 Series Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers
    PG AP Runtimes running on the EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Graphics Card. Smaller Numbers are Faster or Better.
    Driver: 411.70 Run time (sec) 2,619.05 CPU time (sec) 45.12
    Driver: 416.16 Run time (sec) 2,356.02 CPU time (sec) 43.10
    Driver: 416.81 Run time (sec) 2,507.31 CPU time (sec) 44.83
    Driver: 416.69 Run time (sec) 2,609.08 CPU time (sec) 46.11
    Driver: 391.35 Run time (sec)   851.45 CPU time (sec) 40.19
    Driver: 390.65 Run time (sec)   852.15 CPU time (sec) 38.39




    Source?

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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/18 14:32:16 (permalink)
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/18 20:51:20 (permalink)
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    The Geforce Game Ready Drivers 4xx.xx Drivers on the GTX 10 Series Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers
    PG AP Runtimes running on the EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition Graphics Card. Smaller Numbers are Faster or Better.
    Driver: 411.70 Run time (sec) 2,619.05 CPU time (sec) 45.12
    Driver: 416.16 Run time (sec) 2,356.02 CPU time (sec) 43.10
    Driver: 416.81 Run time (sec) 2,507.31 CPU time (sec) 44.83
    Driver: 416.69 Run time (sec) 2,609.08 CPU time (sec) 46.11
    Driver: 391.35 Run time (sec)   851.45 CPU time (sec) 40.19
    Driver: 390.65 Run time (sec)   852.15 CPU time (sec) 38.39




    Source?


    Read the Thread Above #6.




    Ahh. I see someone already called this out. Probably should have put it in the first post in the first place to avoid any confusion.    

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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/19 09:16:26 (permalink)
    XrayMan
    Ahh. I see someone already called this out. Probably should have put it in the first post in the first place to avoid any confusion.    

    No I do not think so, you are calling me out as well as HeavyHemi as you have stated it above seems unprofessional and coming from a Forum Moderator even more unprofessional.
    I see no Point in being Called out here, more so from a EVGA Forum Moderator after posting my Source.
    Maybe with due respects a PM next time instead of derailing this Thread as seem to now have happed.
    XrayMan thank you for your vote of no confidence.
    I thought I put this Thread under "Crunching@EVGA" area of the Forum where they are more understanding of the subject mater.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/20 18:16:20 (permalink)
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    does it only start on the 4xx drivers or are 397.xx to 399.xx drivers also effected ? this is quite the performance hit from a driver update

    I tested all the drivers up to 399.24 and same for the most part that is no drop until I loaded 411.63 then the same as what I post in the first Post.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/23 22:25:01 (permalink)
     
    Did NVidia buy a bunch of AMD stock or something? lol..
     


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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/24 05:37:06 (permalink)
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    Did NVidia buy a bunch of AMD stock or something? lol..


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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/24 06:20:40 (permalink)
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    does it only start on the 4xx drivers or are 397.xx to 399.xx drivers also effected ? this is quite the performance hit from a driver update

    I tested all the drivers up to 399.24 and same for the most part that is no drop until I loaded 411.63 then the same as what I post in the first Post.




    By any chance, did you share this with NVidia to see what they say?  I don't know if you have an NVidia account to post on their forums, but I would bet that getting their attention would work toward getting this corrected eventually.


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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/24 06:42:09 (permalink)
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    does it only start on the 4xx drivers or are 397.xx to 399.xx drivers also effected ? this is quite the performance hit from a driver update

    I tested all the drivers up to 399.24 and same for the most part that is no drop until I loaded 411.63 then the same as what I post in the first Post.

    By any chance, did you share this with NVidia to see what they say?  I don't know if you have an NVidia account to post on their forums, but I would bet that getting their attention would work toward getting this corrected eventually.

    Yes I do have an account on NVIDIA.
    No I did not, I figured if I did I would have the same response that I got in this thread.
    I only posted back for demon09 on the rest of the drivers after testing them.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/24 06:45:58 (permalink)
    Would you mind if I quote you on their forums, and just pass on the info to see if others are getting the same issues? If it can be easily reproduced, hopefully nvidia will work toward a fix.

    If you don’t mind, I will send you a PM and try to make sure I get all of the information correct before I share anything.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/24 06:51:14 (permalink)
    No not at all, the data will not stay long http://www.primegrid.com/results.php?hostid=502676&offset=240&show_names=0&state=4&appid=11
    This is  the end of the list so if you click on Previous 20 you will see the time change.
    The Days only Show the GPU and Not the Driver at runtime.
    Raw Data Slow Task
    http://www.primegrid.com/result.php?resultid=947907919
    Runtime on both mine and another user 487642 Also a 1080 Ti
    http://www.primegrid.com/workunit.php?wuid=587652125
    Raw Data Fast Task
    http://www.primegrid.com/result.php?resultid=948240655 
    Runtime on both mine and another user 531821 Also a 1080 Ti
    http://www.primegrid.com/workunit.php?wuid=587803428
     
    I change the data source to match the GPU so they are all 1080 Ti Cards.
    I gave the Host ID because this shows the GPU and What Driver the Host has not that it was the Driver at the time of the Run.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/24 07:00:36 (permalink)
    Thank you! I will try to extract everything I can ASAP, and get it shared with nvidia.


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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/24 07:07:16 (permalink)
    If need be I can start over with the New Driver and work backwards, each change of the Driver takes about 20 Minutes.
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/25 21:16:34 (permalink)
    Compute bugs go to the devtalk forums rather than the Geforce forum, the OpenCL and CUDA team are more readily available there.

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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/26 04:22:23 (permalink)
    Then hopefully they move it, because I don’t use the nvidia forums all that often.


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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/26 04:41:13 (permalink)
    They won't, completely seperate boards.

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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/26 15:43:34 (permalink)
     
    Added Driver 417.01 Today
    Driver: 417.01 Run time (sec) 2,222.86 CPU time (sec) 40.41
    Driver: 411.70 Run time (sec) 2,619.05 CPU time (sec) 45.12
    Driver: 416.16 Run time (sec) 2,356.02 CPU time (sec) 43.10
    Driver: 416.81 Run time (sec) 2,507.31 CPU time (sec) 44.83
    Driver: 416.69 Run time (sec) 2,609.08 CPU time (sec) 46.11
    Driver: 391.35 Run time (sec)   851.45 CPU time (sec) 40.19
    Driver: 390.65 Run time (sec)   852.15 CPU time (sec) 38.39
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 OpenCL Performance from the 3xx.xx Drivers 2018/11/26 16:19:11 (permalink)
    Tested Driver: 399.24

    Driver: 417.01 Run time (sec) 2,222.86 CPU time (sec) 40.41
    Driver: 411.70 Run time (sec) 2,619.05 CPU time (sec) 45.12
    Driver: 416.16 Run time (sec) 2,356.02 CPU time (sec) 43.10
    Driver: 416.81 Run time (sec) 2,507.31 CPU time (sec) 44.83
    Driver: 416.69 Run time (sec) 2,609.08 CPU time (sec) 46.11
    Driver: 399.24 Run time (sec)    860.20 CPU time (sec) 39.38
    Driver: 391.35 Run time (sec)    851.45 CPU time (sec) 40.19
    Driver: 390.65 Run time (sec)    852.15 CPU time (sec) 38.39
     
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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/26 16:33:23 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh, I see this made it to devtalk.nvidia.com link to thread
     
    Also GeForce.com as well link to thread
     

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    Re: Geforce Drivers 4xx.xx Drop more than 2/3 in CUDA Performance from the 3xx.xx Drvers. 2018/11/26 16:35:53 (permalink)
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    bcavnaugh, I see this made it to devtalk.nvidia.com link to thread
     
    Also GeForce.com as well link to thread
     


    There is a reddit thread too. I am pushing all of the information he gives me through GeForce and devtalk, as well as a big report through the developer site.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/...en_300_series_and_400/


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