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2018/10/02 20:13:41 (permalink)
Hello I am wondering if you have windows on one of the drive on the Samsung pro? Have you format both of M2 drive before putting in two of the M.2 Samsung Pro in the Dark motherboard? I having the same issue. Beside I have one drive with windows 10 on it and when I go to the BIOS to RAID the m.2 with both Samsung Pro it list one drive saying it non-raidable and the other one doesn't show or be listed. To me this is a BIOS issue. They didn't put a functions setting to be able to format and chose RAID setting for this path. I heard other motherboard out there was able to RAID the m.2 Drives
 
hope there anyways to get this working for raid-o for two of m.2?

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/02 22:10:13 (permalink)
    hello megametal and welcome to the EVGA forums! If I understood you correctly, you are trying to do RAID with two Samsung Pro M.2 SSDs but one of them already has an installation of Windows? 
     
    Please Clarify how many storage devices you have in your system currently. It would also help knowing the model of each device. 
     
    For the drive that is not being detected, it could be that you have yet to enable the M.2 slot. 
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/02 22:15:55 (permalink)
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    hello megametal and welcome to the EVGA forums! If I understood you correctly, you are trying to do RAID with two Samsung Pro M.2 SSDs but one of them already has an installation of Windows? 
     
    Please Clarify how many storage devices you have in your system currently. It would also help knowing the model of each device. 
     
    For the drive that is not being detected, it could be that you have yet to enable the M.2 slot. 

    yes sir just one before got new one came in today .. both same samsung pro 512
    post edited by megametal - 2018/10/02 22:25:45

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/02 22:48:22 (permalink)
    Can an M.2 raid setup even be done with an 28 lane CPU? Since PM1 is on the PCIe bus and PM2 is on the PCH (Page 28 of the PDF manual).
     
    With the speed and size of the current top end M.2 drives I cannot see the the time and hassle of setting up raid 0 to be worth the marginal gains. Raid 1 perhaps for backup but raid 0.. waste of time
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/02 22:54:21 (permalink)
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    hello megametal and welcome to the EVGA forums! If I understood you correctly, you are trying to do RAID with two Samsung Pro M.2 SSDs but one of them already has an installation of Windows? 
     
    Please Clarify how many storage devices you have in your system currently. It would also help knowing the model of each device. 
     
    For the drive that is not being detected, it could be that you have yet to enable the M.2 slot. 


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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/02 23:02:54 (permalink)
    picture not working..
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/02 23:09:43 (permalink)
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    picture not working..


    now it working
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/03 13:30:01 (permalink)
    do need a driver for raid ? or what no wonder why yall take forever to reply here more than 6 to 8 hour to or day to reply this anything to asking but seem this is super slow to help people
     

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/03 13:54:33 (permalink)
    Raid doesn't work on this motherboard with 2 Samsung M2 drives. Only work with Intel M2 drives. Yes other motherboard manufactures like Asus and MSI got raid working on their motherboards even without a VROC key. I tried it and never could get it working  at all.

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/03 13:58:49 (permalink)
    Badboy64 I don't recall which CPU you had but even if he had an vroc key and Intel drives I think with his CPU he would still be at a dead end
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/03 14:03:14 (permalink)
    I think it is an issue with people not throughly researching what vroc takes and expecting raid to work like it does with the regular SATA raid which I would expect to work just fine.
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/03 19:31:41 (permalink)
    Read this right off the ROG forums...
     
    https://rog.asus.com/foru...-2-X16-Card#post691589
     

    Intel and ASUS both have confirmed that X299 VROC will not support drives other than Intel (as well as many users before you). Only enterprise solutions will support select 3rd party drives. They have even stated that the 600 and 700 series drives are not supported. Only 3D Xpoint drives aka optane drives. Whats at play here? Simple and to the point......MONEY!! If they allow 3rd party drives to work on a consumer platforms then why spend 10s of thousands on an enterprise solution to do the same thing? They will lose all the enterprise business to HEDT platforms. Secondly what are you going to tell the enterprise customers that just spent all that money to have this technology to work on multiple drives?

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/03 19:52:23 (permalink)

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/06 20:44:41 (permalink)
    M2 Drive already super fast...……….

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/07 20:29:39 (permalink)
    970 PRO M.2 512GB NVMe i know it fast just wana both raid it but no luck tho.. no Evga know abt it cuz i read the manual book it said does support raid NVMe too and who ever made the bios should already got it all what made for x299. not just half of bios is missing.. so still no luck . Evga guys who work on bios is slow and stupid to get all there not half of it ...

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/07 23:11:25 (permalink)
    The raid stuff for this chipset is a black box handed to them from Intel. As I pointed out above - no it doesn't really work on the Asus boards and I didn't bother to look at what MSI did. I suspect they pushed it to the PCH and / or used an add in raid chip. You are insisting EVGA fix a bios and add features that are fringe for what the intention of the board is. If raid really is your "thing" then you chose porly with this platform. You should have used a server board / Xeon chip
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/08 11:07:40 (permalink)
    server board / Xeon chip is pos.   GGTV-jon. know why cuz it should made for it not ur idea .. Evga should Fix the fk bios .. if ya dont know how fix bios then shut up it said support in manual book periods  .. why try fight this. ya didnt read the manual???? well ya forgot what it said and it should be there we are future.  We not 80's or 90's  bios [link=mailto:sh@t]sh@t[/link]  ...

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/08 11:35:57 (permalink)
    OK, have fun now, i go read manual
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/08 16:37:26 (permalink)
    Scratch that, did YOU even read the manual???

    PCIe Lane Distribution (Core™ i7-78xx, 28 Lane Processors)
     U.2(PU1) x4 PCIe Gen 3 lanes
    o Must be enabled in BIOS, which disables M.2 110mm
     U.2(PU2) (44 Lane CPU ONLY)
     M.2 Key-M (110mm) PM1 – x4 PCIe Gen 3 lanes from CPU
    o Supports PCIe/NVMe only
    o Must be enabled in BIOS, which disables U.2(PU1)
    M.2 Key-M (80mm) PM2 – x4 PCIe Gen 3 lanes from PCH
    o Supports Optane™/PCIe/NVMe
    o Must be enabled in BIOS, which disables PE6
     M.2 Key-E (32mm) – x1 PCH lane

    Page 28 of the manual - I have not seen anything that can confirm or deny that you can get raid to work they way you expect with 1 device on the CPU and another on the PCH
     
    Next - Have you even tried to install the RSTe drivers
     
    Next - Are your drives on this list? - https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000030310/memory-and-storage/ssd-software.html
     
    Scratch that how about this

    Does Intel VROC support third-party SSDs on the X299 platform?
    No. Intel VROC on X299 platforms supports Intel® SSDs only. For a full list of supported Intel SSDs, please see the Intel® VROC Configuration List.

     
    source - https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000026106/memory-and-storage/ssd-software.html
     
    Nowhere is it printed that EVGA 100% guaranties that raid with work with the M.2 drives you have bought
     
    Edit note for clarity:
     
    I think you may be confusing the ability to raid SATA NVME drives and M.2 drives
     
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    970 PRO M.2 512GB NVMe i know it fast just wana both raid it but no luck tho.. no Evga know abt it cuz i read the manual book it said does support raid NVMe too and who ever made the bios should already got it all what made for x299. not just half of bios is missing.. so still no luck . Evga guys who work on bios is slow and stupid to get all there not half of it ...


     
    Page 19 of the manual -

    9. Intel® SATA 6Gbit/s Ports
    The Intel® X299 PCH has a 6-port SATA 3/6 Gbit/s controller (See Page 55 for specifics on the connectors). This controller is backwards compatible with SATA and SATA II devices, and supports SSDs, HDDs and various types of optical devices (CDROM, DVDROM, BD-ROM, etc). The controller also supports NCQ, TRIM, hot swap capability (provided the proper HDD/SSD bays/racks are installed), and RAID levels 0/1/5/10.

     
    Bottom of page 19, top of 20-

    12. M.2 Socket 3 Key-M 110mm (PM1)
    M.2 is an SSD form factor standard, which uses up to four PCIe lanes and utilizes Gen3 speeds. Most popularly paired with NVMe SSDs, this standard offers substantially faster transfer speeds and seek time than SATA interface standards. All M.2 devices are designed to connect via a card-bus style connector and be bolted into place and powered by the connector, rather than by a dedicated data cable and power cable.
    This socket will support Key-M devices of 110mm, 80mm, 60mm, and 42mm length.
    This connector can only utilize a PCIe/NVMe based M.2 SSD devices.
     
    13. M.2 Socket 3 Key-M 80mm (PM2)
    M.2 is an SSD standard, which uses up to four PCIe lanes and utilizes Gen3 speeds. Most popularly paired with NVMe SSDs, this standard offers substantially faster transfer speeds and seek time than SATA interface standards. All M.2 devices are designed to connect via a card-bus style connector and be bolted into place and powered by the connector, rather than by a dedicated data cable and power cable.
    This socket will support Key-M devices of 80mm, 60mm, and 42mm length.
    This connector can utilize only PCIe/NVMe-based M.2 SSDs, SATA M.2, or Intel® Optane™ NVMe devices.

     
    No actual mention of Raid
     
    Page 22 -

    24. VROC Header
    VROC stands for Virtual RAID On CPU. The VROC header works in conjunction with PCIe SSDs. The header is used to provide an Intel® hardware
    key that will unlock advanced RAID functions, such as RAID5. SATA RAID does not require a VROC key.
    At the time of print, VROC will work with many SSDs, but is only bootable with Intel® SSDs. VROC is only compatible with Core™ X-series Skylake-X CPUs.

     
     
     
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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/08 16:44:48 (permalink)
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    The raid stuff for this chipset is a black box handed to them from Intel. As I pointed out above - no it doesn't really work on the Asus boards and I didn't bother to look at what MSI did. I suspect they pushed it to the PCH and / or used an add in raid chip. You are insisting EVGA fix a bios and add features that are fringe for what the intention of the board is. If raid really is your "thing" then you chose porly with this platform. You should have used a server board / Xeon chip




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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/08 19:38:01 (permalink)
    i think ur confused this cuz it said support raid type  not to find match m2 to get it raid cuz that ya show me is Intel m.2 too cheap not fast enough compare 970 pro m.2  why go back pos m.2 to match it then  raid in motherboard? it so hard to get this going than other does got it working ? must be slow on it and cant tell anything for people who had same thing out there? how can get it solved it the issues seem cant do it cuz ya don't work bios or fix the problem in company ? i don't think so .  the professional computer technology can do it .. don't see one that smart one than y'all in this site?  just try fool people to cover the issues . so where left over on x299 bios go?? still work to do nothing fix yet ..

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    Re: X299 motherboards bois issue 2018/10/08 19:57:58 (permalink)
    LOL, you still don't get it.
     
    OK,, SHOW me a link to someone, anyone, that has gotten the drives you have to work on any other X299 board with the way you are trying to make it work
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