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2018/09/21 08:55:57 (permalink)
This is in general hardware because it isn’t news... yet... and because it doesn’t go directly to the EVGA 20 series only.



As we have all seen, Turing uses a lot of power.. the 2080ti and 2080 founders seem to easily bump into the 70c range... have people realized that is only HALF of the available core layout of this GPU?

Look above. 70c is being generated by the Shader/Compute section alone.. no tensor core heat.. not RT core heat...and mild thermal downclocking is already occurring.

What exactly will happen when dlss is enabled and the tensor cores generate 25% more heat... the Ray Tracing itself, another 25% more... then let’s add both into some games and the Shaders, tensor cores, and RT cores go buck wild and generate the excess heat.

Now, I have no proof at all that this is going to be any sort of issue. Who knows, maybe the tensor cores and RT cores act as coolers as well, and their pull heat away from the shader section... but I highly doubt that as they will generate their own heat.

So, nvidia launches a product with NO WAY to test this and see the over all thermal properties.. those that pre-ordered will be out of the 30 day return window before they will ever get to see these thermal properties.. those buying now will probably also fall out of that window for return..

I am not here to pass final judgement on the situation, but nvidia is keeping the possibility to test this pretty well bottled up, and I am interested to see what the early adopters and others think about this.
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2018/09/21 16:24:19
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 11:02:26 (permalink)
    So you think will end up with a Thermi 3.0 ?
     

     


     
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 11:23:51 (permalink)
    Well I thought I was over cooling my next build with the size & number of radiators, might end-up being whats needed .....

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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 11:25:14 (permalink)
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    So you think will end up with a Thermi 3.0 ?
     

     


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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 13:24:22 (permalink)
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 14:36:14 (permalink)
    Honestly, I am 100% speculating. The cooler may be able to spread the heat out enough to keep everything under 70c.

    I am hoping nvidia put in thermosters to be able to monitors the tensor core and RT core temps as well.

    If not, I wonder how people are going to know what overall temps are, or will they be limited to only monitoring the Shader core section?
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 16:24:36 (permalink)
    Jus realized the iPhone change Turing to Tiring lol. Title fixed in post 1.
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 17:46:05 (permalink)
    All posts have had the Title updated to reflect the change the OP made to it

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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 18:17:10 (permalink)
    I think you might of just made some already on the fence with their preorders or ones thinking of getting Turing a little more nervous or cautious(maybe a better word) with this thread.  
     
    EVGA's gpu's seem to run significantly cooler than FE so maybe they will be better equipped to handle additional heat if there is indeed more heat when Tensor and RT core is utilized. 
     
    Also is the new ICX2 going to monitor that section of the card as well?
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 18:24:21 (permalink)
    I don’t know. I don’t want to make people skeptical, and I am no engineer, so I could just be overthinking the hell out of this.

    But, I am more curious then anything and no one seems to directly know for sure, so it just makes me even more curious.
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 18:34:11 (permalink)
    I think people are already skeptical and pretty much dissatisfied with the 2080 performance, but would like the 2080ti performance at a better price point. I am also curious on the half of the card that's been
     
    raved by Nvidia is going to perform when completely utilized. I do think you bring up a pretty good point and may be the very reason why there is a card but no way to test/use the technology yet.
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/21 23:24:06 (permalink)
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    I think people are already skeptical and pretty much dissatisfied with the 2080 performance, but would like the 2080ti performance at a better price point. I am also curious on the half of the card that's been
     
    raved by Nvidia is going to perform when completely utilized. I do think you bring up a pretty good point and may be the very reason why there is a card but no way to test/use the technology yet.




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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/22 04:01:10 (permalink)
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/09/22 04:49:54 (permalink)
    So, I tried to get back on here last night and couldn’t access the forums. I thought about it again lol.

    The only cards that would have anything to worry about would be the founders cards. The AUB cards typically utilize heat pipes.. the heat pipes over the shader modules would be separate from the tensor cores and RT cores, so the heat pipes on the other half would be separately handling the heat generated.

    The vapor chamber cards and blower cards coming out seem to be a little more worrisome if at all. Would the vapor chamber become saturated with all of the heat generated from all three core sets...
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/11/24 06:23:14 (permalink)
    I would still be very interested to see the tests on the coolers to know if the RTX cores, now usable and available, generate any extra heat in game.  I am not 100% sure it would have any impact at all, but I am super curious.  Sadly, RTX is still in it's infant state, so we aren't seeing it utilized at its full potential.  Maybe someday.  
     
    Can anyone with an RTX card give it a shot and see if there is any thermal impact at all with RTX on versus off?  I don't have any reward to give other than maybe a digital high five... 
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/11/24 08:15:54 (permalink)
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    I would still be very interested to see the tests on the coolers to know if the RTX cores, now usable and available, generate any extra heat in game.  I am not 100% sure it would have any impact at all, but I am super curious.  Sadly, RTX is still in it's infant state, so we aren't seeing it utilized at its full potential.  Maybe someday.  
     
    Can anyone with an RTX card give it a shot and see if there is any thermal impact at all with RTX on versus off?  I don't have any reward to give other than maybe a digital high five... 


    I wonder if this is why even under Water this GPU runs 15°C-20°C Higher then the Older GTX 1080 Ti Cards.
    I can play with this "RTX on versus off?" today and post back.
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/11/24 08:35:06 (permalink)
    In the end, it could honestly end up being nothing and have no impact. I am just super curious
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/11/24 10:18:27 (permalink)
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    In the end, it could honestly end up being nothing and have no impact. I am just super curious

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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/11/24 10:23:04 (permalink)
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/11/25 04:43:25 (permalink)
    Great thread.  I always wondered this and felt this was a disaster waiting to happen.  I think Nvidia knows this quite well and isn't fully implementing RT and Tensors as we've seen so far.  You can do all the tests you want until someone else cracks and programs them to run to their full potential, we won't see what will happen in true real time I don't think.
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    Re: Turing* thermal properties... think about this.. 2018/11/25 11:34:45 (permalink)
    I'll throw in my $0.02 here. 
     
    I have a pair of RTX2080ti FE cards that I use for HPC and Deep Learning. I really like these cards so far and the bonus that NVLink helps in these applications is just the cherry on top. 
     
    Since I use them in Linux for compute applications, my "tuning" comes from using the NVidia core libraries and tools like nvidia-smi directly. The FE cards can be set from the factory with a maximum TDP of a scorching 325 watts! They default to 260w. The coolers they ship with do a surprisingly good job. The cards will stay in GPU boost clock for quite high loading as a result. They absolutely scream at some tasks, more than any other GPU i've been able to lay hands on.
     
    Fortunately, they seemed to have built the VRM's and everything else to function well. 
     
    In compute loads, I can definitely run the tensor cores at full bore. 
     
    Curiously, I generally set them to limit clock and tdp well below their maximums. They don't have ECC vram as do the Quadro GV100 data center Tesla Volta cards (at 6x the cost). I haven't been able to determine any errors in my early testing. But error rates tend to go up with higher clocks. A sparkle or two in games is one thing, data error in HPC is another altogether. 
     
    The Titan V is a bit of a mystery to me. It does a good job, but falls behind the RTX2080ti on a number of tasks. For whatever reason, it is clock restricted in the driver for compute loads. It stays very cool, I can't even hit thermal or power limits in compute mode on the Titan V, but I can nail it on the 2080ti. 
     
     
     
     
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