Hey Everybody :D,


I am thinking about doing a Step-Up on my 1080 Ti FTW 3 to a RTX 2080.
Unfortunately only the RTX 2080 XC Black Edition Gaming is offered at the moment.


I heard about NVIDIA´s naming scheme change since Turing (TU104-400A and TU104-400B)
The A marked Chips are pre binned so the have higher OC potential whereas the B marked Chips are not as OC capable as the A ones.

Are both cards (XC Gaming and XC Black) built with the same Chip and PCB?
 
Is the only difference just the Clock they are shipped with,
or is the XC Black a TU104-400B Chip with lower Power target an more worst OC potential?


The most important question, summing up the above:


Is there any difference, more than just normal "chip lottery", assuming equal test conditions (same Temp, Vcore etc.) between those cards ?


Thank you verry much!


Best regards


Jonas

This should be pretty easy to answer from EVGA. Unless they are somehow forbidden to answer from Nvidia...

@SimonOcean

This is a guess or a Fact?
Any official Proof from EVGA of this Hypothesis ?

I think the Same way You do about this topic.. until EVGA agree's or deny's it.


Best regards

Jonas

I also watched a bunch of videos about the RTX 2080 XC Gaming / Ultra.

But I can't find any trustworthy information about the TU-104-400 A and B topic.

Some third party Infos about the naming scheme that there is a difference between those two chips that affects OC Performance.

When I StepUp to a RTX 2080 from my 1080Ti FTW3, I want at least the Chance to get a stable 2Ghz+ OC on Core.

I know there's no guarantee on OC capabilities, but that's Classic Silicon lottery.

My concern is that I'm Upgrading to a much worst Chip on the XC Black Edition even than the Founder's edition.

With BIOS capped Power/Voltage limits and a TU104-400B Chip that even when I get the best B Chip has 100-200Mhz worst OC potential than a A Chips from the XC Gaming or Ultra.


I really hope EVGA is honest enough to transparently show customers what they buy and what they can expect if their product.

Money isn't the issue here. I would really like to step up to a RTX 2080 XC Gaming Ultra even if it costs me 50-100€ more.

But because at the moment only the XC Black Edition is available for StepUp I have to go with that option.

But before that I want to know what I am getting there and what value I can expect for my Money..


Best regards


Jonas

Sure that all are valabe options.

But in the end it's about transparency, too.
For a big Brand like EVGA I think the most basic thing for customer satisfaction is transparency.

At the moment with all the Infos I can find around the Internet, the RTX 2080 XC Black Edition Gaming seems like a way to save money on StepUp Cards by using the cheaper TU104-400B Chips from Nvidia.

It showed up together with the start of the StepUp program. Before the 20th only The XC Gaming and Ultra were available.

Without fingerpointing on EVGA, I just want to know the Facts, what I get and what to expect from the XC Black Edition.

Will it perform like an FTW3 with same Silicon lottery luck on both cards and without taking Temperature in consideration? Or is this off the table from the beginning, because of the pre Binned B Chips maybe used in the XC Black Edition.

Only the Truth, that's what I'm interested in.


Best regards

Jonas

So that's what I already stated above

The question still is:

Which Chip or Device ID is used on the Black Edition?

Only EVGA can tell us that.. That's the reason of this Thread..


I am waiting...

This answer was provided by EVGATech_LeeM in a thread that was created before yours. The only difference is the clock speeds and color of the shroud. They use the same shroud.

From Lee’s post, your answer is provided.

EVGATech_LeeM
Actually, the only difference is clock speed. Trim color is the same on this model, like the other XC models - white. The other Black Edition models, non - XC, use black Trim.

I think those in the know really know what the answer is, that its using the lower end"B" die. I just wanted to check if EVGA was going to be transparent about it or not. I gave EVGA the benefit of the doubt as indicated in my post above by suggesting Nvidia was forbiding them to say, and the ...

Now an EVGA rep is saying "the only difference is clock speed". While technically true, another difference is the device ID A vs. B in this case.

I don't blame the reps or even EVGA for the lack transparency. Its like asking a detailed question from a gamestop employee and expecting them to know the correct answer. I'm sorry but that is what popped in my mind when I heard "the only difference is clock speed".

Anyhow, I still love ya EVGA. Looking to pick up an EVGA Z390 mobo soon hopefully.

Resurrecting this thread as I don't believe that Techpower up can be relied upon for differentiating 400A from 400, has anyone that actually received one of these cards opened it in GPU-Z to verify? I feel like enough time has passed that we should know by now..

somethingc00l

Emew42
Resurrecting this thread as I don't believe that Techpower up can be relied upon for differentiating 400A from 400, has anyone that actually received one of these cards opened it in GPU-Z to verify? I feel like enough time has passed that we should know by now..

LOL you do realize TPU gets it's data from GPU-Z right? They make it.
 
Yes, it's 400A.
 
 

I can't link the 2 sources due to post limitations so.. Look up Tech Power Up EVGA 2070 Black and you'll see 400a listed as the GPU. Look up Gamer Nexus RTX 2070 Tear-Down where he shows it's a 400, no A.
 

ruvy01
This post is comparing the XC vs XC black, not the standard black that's in the Gamers Nexus video.

Not to mention 2080, not 2070.

There's two different black versions this time, XC black and standard black.

XC black has A chip, standard black a non-A chip.