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Just learned about that here, was going to buy an ftw for the extra power phasing, but with the locked voltages will it even matter? Would I only be paying for an extra fan? If it's not going to oc better than a standard icx card I think I'll just go with one of those
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/20 20:41:00
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The ICX could include cards that didn't meet the overclock requirements to be a FTW3 but are stable at the lower speed. While I won't say a ICX can't overclock out of the box to FTW3 speeds with the FTW3 you know for sure the card will at least hit the out of the box speeds EVGA lists.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/20 20:44:17
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Hoggle The ICX could include cards that didn't meet the overclock requirements to be a FTW3 but are stable at the lower speed. While I won't say a ICX can't overclock out of the box to FTW3 speeds with the FTW3 you know for sure the card will at least hit the out of the box speeds EVGA lists.
Ok cool, my dreams aren't totally ruined
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/20 21:44:36
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The voltage will only be locked to a certain point, but you should still be able to adjust it some.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 02:10:30
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The three extra power phases on the FTW3 aren't going to matter. Maximum Overclock Comparison Max. GPU ClockMax. Memory Clock ASUS RTX 2080 Ti STRIX 2115 MHz 2065 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 2085 MHz 2005 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Duke 2115 MHz 2005 MHz NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition 2110 MHz 1945 MHz All these different cards reach ~2100 MHz core. The FTW3 won't be any different. I only bought the FTW3 because I think it will have the best air cooler out of them all.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 02:29:55
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Not sure if FTW3 will have the best cooler since MSI Trio looks to be pretty innovative. It might be tho. Anyway, seems that FTW3 or any other aftermarket AIB card are looking irrelevant. Even with added phases or cooling, all cards tested so far have been limited to a 300W by card firmware. Having more power inputs didn't change that for MSI Trio either. 300W lockdown. So, seems that all AIB cards are useless, especially AIB PCBs. Kingpin version might get a modified BIOS with power limits off, but don't hold your breath for it, especially not this year or Q1 2019 I'd guess.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 02:35:56
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toncij Not sure if FTW3 will have the best cooler since MSI Trio looks to be pretty innovative. It might be tho. Anyway, seems that FTW3 or any other aftermarket AIB card are looking irrelevant. Even with added phases or cooling, all cards tested so far have been limited to a 300W by card firmware. Having more power inputs didn't change that for MSI Trio either. 300W lockdown. So, seems that all AIB cards are useless, especially AIB PCBs. Kingpin version might get a modified BIOS with power limits off, but don't hold your breath for it, especially not this year or Q1 2019 I'd guess.
And for probably around $1600 bucks going by previous kingpin cards
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 02:55:12
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toncij Not sure if FTW3 will have the best cooler since MSI Trio looks to be pretty innovative. It might be tho. Anyway, seems that FTW3 or any other aftermarket AIB card are looking irrelevant. Even with added phases or cooling, all cards tested so far have been limited to a 300W by card firmware. Having more power inputs didn't change that for MSI Trio either. 300W lockdown. So, seems that all AIB cards are useless, especially AIB PCBs. Kingpin version might get a modified BIOS with power limits off, but don't hold your breath for it, especially not this year or Q1 2019 I'd guess.
And for probably around $1600 bucks going by previous kingpin cards
Don't think it'll be that low; more like $1800? Still, even with that, I doubt the chip can take more power. We know that with FinFET and lower processes chips are getting more and more sensitive to voltage and heat, simply not being able to take on more. Will be a sub-zero card only I guess. And bragging rights.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:01:48
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toncij Not sure if FTW3 will have the best cooler since MSI Trio looks to be pretty innovative. It might be tho.
Anyway, seems that FTW3 or any other aftermarket AIB card are looking irrelevant. Even with added phases or cooling, all cards tested so far have been limited to a 300W by card firmware. Having more power inputs didn't change that for MSI Trio either. 300W lockdown.
So, seems that all AIB cards are useless, especially AIB PCBs.
Kingpin version might get a modified BIOS with power limits off, but don't hold your breath for it, especially not this year or Q1 2019 I'd guess.
And for probably around $1600 bucks going by previous kingpin cards
Don't think it'll be that low; more like $1800? Still, even with that, I doubt the chip can take more power. We know that with FinFET and lower processes chips are getting more and more sensitive to voltage and heat, simply not being able to take on more. Will be a sub-zero card only I guess. And bragging rights.
Yea, I certainly won't be kicking out that kinda cash for a card that's only marginally better because it has a famous guys signature on it lol
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:02:51
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Zybane The three extra power phases on the FTW3 aren't going to matter. Maximum Overclock Comparison Max. GPU ClockMax. Memory Clock ASUS RTX 2080 Ti STRIX 2115 MHz 2065 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 2085 MHz 2005 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Duke 2115 MHz 2005 MHz NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition 2110 MHz 1945 MHz All these different cards reach ~2100 MHz core. The FTW3 won't be any different. I only bought the FTW3 because I think it will have the best air cooler out of them all.
Where are you getting these numbers? The strix and Duke aren't available yet that I've seen
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:05:36
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Zybane The three extra power phases on the FTW3 aren't going to matter. Maximum Overclock Comparison Max. GPU ClockMax. Memory Clock ASUS RTX 2080 Ti STRIX 2115 MHz 2065 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 2085 MHz 2005 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Duke 2115 MHz 2005 MHz NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition 2110 MHz 1945 MHz All these different cards reach ~2100 MHz core. The FTW3 won't be any different. I only bought the FTW3 because I think it will have the best air cooler out of them all.
Where are you getting these numbers? The strix and Duke aren't available yet that I've seen
Neither card has been available to buy (actually), except for a small number of cards sent to a small number of people preordering, but reviewers got them all.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:20:13
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Zybane The three extra power phases on the FTW3 aren't going to matter.
Maximum Overclock Comparison Max. GPU ClockMax. Memory Clock
ASUS RTX 2080 Ti STRIX 2115 MHz 2065 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 2085 MHz 2005 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Duke 2115 MHz 2005 MHz NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition 2110 MHz 1945 MHz
All these different cards reach ~2100 MHz core. The FTW3 won't be any different. I only bought the FTW3 because I think it will have the best air cooler out of them all.
Where are you getting these numbers? The strix and Duke aren't available yet that I've seen
Neither card has been available to buy (actually), except for a small number of cards sent to a small number of people preordering, but reviewers got them all.
Ah ok. Lucky freaking reviewers lol
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:22:14
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toncij Not sure if FTW3 will have the best cooler since MSI Trio looks to be pretty innovative. It might be tho. Anyway, seems that FTW3 or any other aftermarket AIB card are looking irrelevant. Even with added phases or cooling, all cards tested so far have been limited to a 300W by card firmware. Having more power inputs didn't change that for MSI Trio either. 300W lockdown. So, seems that all AIB cards are useless, especially AIB PCBs. Kingpin version might get a modified BIOS with power limits off, but don't hold your breath for it, especially not this year or Q1 2019 I'd guess.
Compared to how well the ICX1 cooler did on the 1080 Ti FTW3 and how much better the ICX2 is, I will definitely say it will be the best air cooled 2080 Ti. Just for starters, the ICX2 has 58% greater fin area: https://www.evga.com/technology/icx2/ I also thought the gaming X trio by MSI would be killer. But according to Techpowerup's tests, it actually did quite poor: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_Gaming_X_Trio/37.html 74C is TERRIBLE for such a huge cooler. I wonder if the coolers wasn't contacting the card properly or maybe they got a bad card. xblackvalorx
Zybane The three extra power phases on the FTW3 aren't going to matter. Maximum Overclock Comparison Max. GPU ClockMax. Memory Clock ASUS RTX 2080 Ti STRIX 2115 MHz 2065 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 2085 MHz 2005 MHz MSI RTX 2080 Ti Duke 2115 MHz 2005 MHz NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition 2110 MHz 1945 MHz All these different cards reach ~2100 MHz core. The FTW3 won't be any different. I only bought the FTW3 because I think it will have the best air cooler out of them all.
Where are you getting these numbers? The strix and Duke aren't available yet that I've seen
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_Gaming_X_Trio/36.html Techpowerup is the best site, they tested all of these cards.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:24:07
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Yeah. :) But not all... I'm an engineer, but I'm involved in a magazine that also wasn't able to get their sample. nVidia was very cheap on samples. Guess coming from small countries makes it easier to do business with AIB partners, not nVidia, since nVidia is scr*ing over AIB partners themselves (otherwise, EVGA would be able to ship all preorders).
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:36:51
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I'd also guess the ftw will come with Samsung memory, which usually means better memory oc
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:46:10
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xblackvalorx I'd also guess the ftw will come with Samsung memory, which usually means better memory oc
All memory is Samsung. They're the only to produce this GDDR6 variant.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 03:59:27
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For a moment I though you were talking about the "Power" target slider and I freaked out, but you were talking about voltages after all. That has some benefits I suppose; since I take good care of my card and never push the voltages, but when I try to resell my card I get sceptical people who ask me if I've ever overclocked my card. Personally I'm fine but I'm sure it's unfair for people who have spent money on water-cooling. Let's see if the FTW3 will come with pre-configured higher voltages in accordance to the custom PCB and superior cooling.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 04:01:02
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xblackvalorx I'd also guess the ftw will come with Samsung memory, which usually means better memory oc
All memory is Samsung. They're the only to produce this GDDR6 variant.
According to this, micron is as well. I'd rather have Samsung than micron any day
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 04:06:14
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Micron has gone a long way and they're leaders among memory. Even if Samsung was the best in the previous generation, there's no guarantee that they'll beat Micron in GDDR6 too. Both companies are great and we'll have to see them both in action to know which is best. I'm a Micron's investor and I'm following almost all their updates, so I know what I'm talking about.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 04:08:33
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RivAngE Micron has gone a long way and they're leaders among memory. Even if Samsung was the best in the previous generation, there's no guarantee that they'll beat Micron in GDDR6 too. Both companies are great and we'll have to see them both in action to know which is best. I'm a Micron's investor and I'm following almost all their updates, so I know what I'm talking about.
A minute ago you didn't even know they made gddr6 : edit sorry that was a different guy, quote threads get hard to follow lol I'll stick with Samsung where possible lol, they're tried and true
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 04:21:43
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RivAngE Micron has gone a long way and they're leaders among memory. Even if Samsung was the best in the previous generation, there's no guarantee that they'll beat Micron in GDDR6 too. Both companies are great and we'll have to see them both in action to know which is best. I'm a Micron's investor and I'm following almost all their updates, so I know what I'm talking about.
Oh, so, previous info was wrong, that Micron memory is slower type of GDDR6...
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 04:24:46
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toncij Oh, so, previous info was wrong, that Micron memory is slower type of GDDR6...
I think his dog has been replying by the looks of it.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 04:30:55
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GTXJackBauer I think his dog has been replying by the looks of it.
Didn't quite get that? :P This is what I'm talking about: "“It’s a tremendous privilege to have been selected by NVIDIA to launch Samsung’s 16Gb GDDR6, and to have enjoyed the full confidence of their design team in making our key contribution to the NVIDIA Quadro RTX GPUs,” said Jim Elliott, Corporate Senior Vice President at Samsung Semiconductor." "The memory speeds in each brand are different and are: SK Hynix : 10 and 12 Gbps & 12 and 14 Gbps,Samsung : 18 Gbps, Micron: 12 and 14 and 16 GB/s. So maybe the reason nvidia is going with samsung is the fact that at least for now Samsung gddr6 is the fastest one and was awarded in CES as well." I guess, Samsung goes into Quadro by default at 16Gbps and Micron at 14Gbps into GeForces. Let's wait for someone at EVGA to comment on FTW3 or Kingpin (probably 16 or even 18Gbps).
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 04:42:17
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GTXJackBauer I think his dog has been replying by the looks of it.
Didn't quite get that? :P This is what I'm talking about: "“It’s a tremendous privilege to have been selected by NVIDIA to launch Samsung’s 16Gb GDDR6, and to have enjoyed the full confidence of their design team in making our key contribution to the NVIDIA Quadro RTX GPUs,” said Jim Elliott, Corporate Senior Vice President at Samsung Semiconductor." "The memory speeds in each brand are different and are: SK Hynix : 10 and 12 Gbps & 12 and 14 Gbps,Samsung : 18 Gbps, Micron: 12 and 14 and 16 GB/s. So maybe the reason nvidia is going with samsung is the fact that at least for now Samsung gddr6 is the fastest one and was awarded in CES as well." I guess, Samsung goes into Quadro by default at 16Gbps and Micron at 14Gbps into GeForces. Let's wait for someone at EVGA to comment on FTW3 or Kingpin (probably 16 or even 18Gbps).
I'd really love to see Samsung memory in the higher end evga cards It'll come stock at the standard 14gbps but you can get good money it'll get closer to 16+ than the micron memory
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 04:57:32
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GTXJackBauer I think his dog has been replying by the looks of it.
Didn't quite get that? :P This is what I'm talking about: "“It’s a tremendous privilege to have been selected by NVIDIA to launch Samsung’s 16Gb GDDR6, and to have enjoyed the full confidence of their design team in making our key contribution to the NVIDIA Quadro RTX GPUs,” said Jim Elliott, Corporate Senior Vice President at Samsung Semiconductor." "The memory speeds in each brand are different and are: SK Hynix : 10 and 12 Gbps & 12 and 14 Gbps,Samsung : 18 Gbps, Micron: 12 and 14 and 16 GB/s. So maybe the reason nvidia is going with samsung is the fact that at least for now Samsung gddr6 is the fastest one and was awarded in CES as well." I guess, Samsung goes into Quadro by default at 16Gbps and Micron at 14Gbps into GeForces. Let's wait for someone at EVGA to comment on FTW3 or Kingpin (probably 16 or even 18Gbps).
Look at my avatar, he thinks that my dog is replying when the fact is, I AM a dog! Well I guess that's the same thing.... ANYWAY! The 2080ti uses 14 Gbps bandwidth on the GDDR6 which can be surpassed by both Micron and Samsung. The difference in overclock is decided by how they are manufactured not by which company can produce the fastest model. However I admit that if Samsung has managed to produce something faster, it's possible they're doing something better than Micron. Regardless of the memory's overclock limits, with this amount of speed I don't think the memory will be a bottleneck factor. The fact that some people will want to increase the voltage and won't be able is the main problem, though personally I never increased it.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 05:10:17
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RivAngE Look at my avatar, he thinks that my dog is replying when the fact is, I AM a dog! Well I guess that's the same thing.... ANYWAY! The 2080ti uses 14 Gbps bandwidth on the GDDR6 which can be surpassed by both Micron and Samsung. The difference in overclock is decided by how they are manufactured not by which company can produce the fastest model. However I admit that if Samsung has managed to produce something faster, it's possible they're doing something better than Micron.
Regardless of the memory's overclock limits, with this amount of speed I don't think the memory will be a bottleneck factor. The fact that some people will want to increase the voltage and won't be able is the main problem, though personally I never increased it.
Hehe, I see. So, who's producing Micron memory? What fab? We know Samsung has a 10nm fab and possibly 7nm? TSMC has a working 7nm.. but not sure what is used where.
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 12:44:20
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I think the FTW design will have advantages and with the other cards having 130% power target .... FTW should be good to go EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti / 2080 XC/XC Ultra BIOS Update(excerpt) Updates: - Increases maximum power target setting to 130% (Improved overclocking performance)
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 15:40:23
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RivAngE Here's an overclocking video (and comparison) for the 2080ti XC Ultra and the FE https://youtu.be/FpmDa5VetME
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Re: With Nvidia locking voltage is there still an advantage with the FTW cards?
2018/09/21 16:43:48
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The reason the MSI Trio is warmer, is not because the cooler is bad. That card is drawing way more power than the rest of them. Taken from techpowerup.com/forums/threads/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-gaming-x-trio-11-gb.247725/ credit to John Naylor And credit to W1zzard
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