Nvidia shot themselves in the foot with these prices relative to performance, sad. Wow, to think gpu's will be 1500 to 2000 in the near future with the way things are going. Anybody remember when the 1080ti's were in the thousand plus region with the mining, shortage, whatever they called it and everyone was like HELL NO! Sound familiar?

I have been trolling through as many reviews as I can and I am baffled at why the 2080 even exists.  Why would you buy it?  It is almost not worth the effort to install it etc.  The Ti however, is a beast.  I have to believe that they will improve performance with drivers etc like we usually see, but the ti should have been the 2080, at the 2080 price.... then release a beefier ti (7nm maybe) later, like they usually do....

I'm noticing a huge divide between youtube tech channels and actual gamers that use GPU's to play games. While tech tubers focus entirely on benchmarks it will obviously cause a conflict when newer tech is released offering different features to actual gamers that aren't even mentioned in the benchmarks. For example the constant bashing on a RTX 2080 because it's not exactly % faster than previous generation. It does a hell of a lot more and offers things not available previously to gamers, but all of that is ignored because it's not a benchmark. Sure, you can't even benchmark it yet due to availability and the games having to come, but it's a big glaring issue regarding all of the tech channels which aren't gamers and don't even pretend to be, but review gaming hardware. It's not only RTX either though this has been occurring for years now as Nvidia offers more with their hardware than simply higher framerates, take geforce experience software for example and other Nvidia specific technology used in games only available on Nvidia hardware, Flex Physx, HBAO+, shadowplay, ect. It adds value to the hardware, gamers love it, and yet it's not a consideration in these reviews. 
 
Reminds me of when the switch from DirectX9 to DirectX10 occurred and the new tech was dismissed because it cost x amount more but resulted in less frames. 
 

gutcheck
I have been trolling through as many reviews as I can and I am baffled at why the 2080 even exists.  Why would you buy it?  It is almost not worth the effort to install it etc.  The Ti however, is a beast.  I have to believe that they will improve performance with drivers etc like we usually see, but the ti should have been the 2080, at the 2080 price.... then release a beefier ti (7nm maybe) later, like they usually do....

 
I rest my case.
 
 

1080ti budget/performance king, I figured it would go down like this. Waiting on 2080 DLSS vs 1080ti differences.

If they wanted to test new tech on gamers they did it the wrong way, should’ve let GTX and RTX co-exist (gtx 2080-2080ti / rtx 2080-2080ti) and adjusted prices accordingly based on tech.

GG nvidia

Hi,
All I noticed is my titan Xp on water block got beat in time spy both and both tested superpositions lol so the the 2080ti must have some value since it's nearly the same price point although the 2080ti ultimate gaming is 150.us more "my 150.us water block makes it a wash" they didn't oc it much either lol that I noticed either

I agree 100%. I have a 1080ti FTW3 currently. I pre-ordered the 2080ti ftw, but after careful consideration, and based off all of the data I've seen, it doesn't make any sense to pay $1349 from EVGA to upgrade right now. The performance jump isn't where it needs to be. RTX isn't supported at launch.

 

fearpoint
I'm noticing a huge divide between youtube tech channels and actual gamers that use GPU's to play games. While tech tubers focus entirely on benchmarks it will obviously cause a conflict when newer tech is released offering different features to actual gamers that aren't even mentioned in the benchmarks. For example the constant bashing on a RTX 2080 because it's not exactly % faster than previous generation. It does a hell of a lot more and offers things not available previously to gamers, but all of that is ignored because it's not a benchmark. Sure, you can't even benchmark it yet due to availability and the games having to come, but it's a big glaring issue regarding all of the tech channels which aren't gamers and don't even pretend to be, but review gaming hardware. It's not only RTX either though this has been occurring for years now as Nvidia offers more with their hardware than simply higher framerates, take geforce experience software for example and other Nvidia specific technology used in games only available on Nvidia hardware, Flex Physx, HBAO+, shadowplay, ect. It adds value to the hardware, gamers love it, and yet it's not a consideration in these reviews. 
 
Reminds me of when the switch from DirectX9 to DirectX10 occurred and the new tech was dismissed because it cost x amount more but resulted in less frames. 
 

gutcheck
I have been trolling through as many reviews as I can and I am baffled at why the 2080 even exists.  Why would you buy it?  It is almost not worth the effort to install it etc.  The Ti however, is a beast.  I have to believe that they will improve performance with drivers etc like we usually see, but the ti should have been the 2080, at the 2080 price.... then release a beefier ti (7nm maybe) later, like they usually do....

 
I rest my case.
 
 

Well considering there are literally ZERO games for them to test RTX with or DLSS what else could they do besides benchmark them? Hell some of them even said they were told not to post disassembly videos and then NVIDIA backtracked and allowed it.  Linus Tech Tips posted a pretty good video on the situation. He received his cards at 4pm Friday literally giving them not much time at all to really get their work done to provide some sort of review. 

Uh...is the embed for YT not working right or did I goof^^

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Uh...is the embed for YT not working right or did I goof^^

There, it worked on my quote. It may be because of your post count for now. Not 100% sure.

RivAngE
I can't watch the video from where I am but I know for sure that the "14% more performance" is wrong... is it because of the settings used, because the drivers used, because of a bug an incompatibility or bug in a non-updated game... 14% is downright ridiculous though. They'd set Nvidia's headquarters on fire and their stock would plunge if that was true, they're not stupid enough to do something like that.

Can't wait to go home and check out benchmarks! :D

All my tech friends at work are laughing theirs rears off at how many people are buying up these cards. It's hilarious seeing all these people drop crazy money on these cards and not get anything truly out of it. I will wait for the next gen wave to hit the market and allow NVIDIA to fine tune NVLINK/SLI/Drivers and a hand full of supported games that utilize the hardware features. NVIDIA just started getting good driver support for the 1080Ti's. Besides, I don't care about playing at 4K I love 1440p it's the sweet spot for gaming with increased fps.

gutcheck
I have been trolling through as many reviews as I can and I am baffled at why the 2080 even exists.  Why would you buy it?  It is almost not worth the effort to install it etc.  The Ti however, is a beast.  I have to believe that they will improve performance with drivers etc like we usually see, but the ti should have been the 2080, at the 2080 price.... then release a beefier ti (7nm maybe) later, like they usually do....

Hi,
I've seen a asus 2080 and it was fairly impressive against the evga 6696 1080ti ftw3 on this very forum now in the software and benchmark section.
It's time spy graphic's score was 11.900 where as the highest I've ever gotten was 11,230 or so
 
So it exist for that reason lol i suppose no telling what a evga 2080.. will do.
It also beat my titan Xp's graphic's score by nearly 400 points too.

I think when the RTX benchmarks come out it will make the RTX 2080 look even less appealing.
 
The demos on YouTube take a massive frame rate hit when switching between RTX OFF and RTX ON, even at 1080p. I would think those developers are running those demos on an RTX 2080 ti. Those demos would be borderline unplayable on an RTX 2080 and I don't think they would even be playable at anything about 1080p.