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2018/09/18 22:01:36 (permalink)
Was just able to snag an EVGA 2080 XC (non-ti) off amazon about 30 mins ago, very excited as I was worried I'd be waiting a while to find one.  I'd prefer a TI but there's always step up right? 
 
Few questions kinda to that end:
1) Just being standard XC does that necessarily mean a weak bin?  Would I be better served waiting for a FTW?  I plan to put under water in the next month or two once I build my 9900k rig (hopeful for that oct release).
2) Step up available to a 2080 HydroCopper ever available?  Or only typically other air cooled variants?  I cant remember historically any step-up's available to hybrids...
3) If I buy the water blocks from EVGA for the 2080 and then step up to the 2080 TI, is there any chance EVGA would swap the blocks out with the step-up?
 
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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/09/19 00:21:33 (permalink)
I think I can help you:
 
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1) Just being standard XC does that necessarily mean a weak bin?  Would I be better served waiting for a FTW?  I plan to put under water in the next month or two once I build my 9900k rig (hopeful for that oct release).

 
No. I don't think it means a weak bin. I don't think that any of these chips are binned at this stage: they are focused on churning them out as fast as possible. The slight boost frequency differences are more about the willingness of EVGA to push clocks and the cooling headroom or the cooler (2 slot vs 3 slot) and the backing VRM circuitry FTW3. Maybe the FTW3 Ultras are binned. I don't know. Also Nvidia's power cap is most likely to be a secondary constraint to overclocks after cooling.
 
 
 
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2) Step up available to a 2080 HydroCopper ever available?  Or only typically other air cooled variants?  I cant remember historically any step-up's available to hybrids...

 
No I don't think so. Step up is usually base model reference card. It is possible is you wait into 2019 (you seem the impatient type... lol... me 2) then EVGA might widen step up to other lower range variants. But very doubtful it will include Hydro Copper. You would have to step up and buy your own Hydro Copper to fit yourself. Not a big deal: easy.
 
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3) If I buy the water blocks from EVGA for the 2080 and then step up to the 2080 TI, is there any chance EVGA would swap the blocks out with the step-up?

 
Nope. Never heard of this. Sell the old one and buy a new one yourself would be the solution.
 
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Excited for the benchmarks in ~8 hours!

 
Me too. Pre ordered an EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC Gaming and EK Waterblock. (My EVGA 980 Ti recently failed so I don't really want to wait ages for later releases to turn up).

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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/09/19 01:00:07 (permalink)
Advice for everyone... If you have nice option for GPU buy immediately, test, play and than decide do you want to stay on same model, and than choose waterblock.
EVGA will offer and Hydro Copper blocks alone I think.
 
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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/09/19 01:38:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby AKStylee 2018/09/19 05:53:53
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EVGA will offer and Hydro Copper blocks alone I think.
I'm not sure who make this year but they are cool.



They are already selling Hydro Copper blocks as stand alone kits on EVGA US. Who makes them: it looks like the same OEM as their 1080-series Hydro Carbons. I agree that the HC block looks pretty nice with the dark acrylic and bright aluminium highlights. I would be interested to see one with the lighting effects on too.

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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/09/19 05:53:45 (permalink)
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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/09/19 10:16:45 (permalink)
I’m also looking to throw under water but have had bad luck many years ago (think 570 era) with overclocking and the card falling apart. I got a 780 Classified and water cooled that but that wasn’t FE. I’m not a hardcore overclocker but do want stability if I do. Would FTW be the way to go or would FE be fine? XC doesn’t improve PCB or phase design, correct?

 
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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/09/19 10:26:06 (permalink)
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I’m also looking to throw under water but have had bad luck many years ago (think 570 era) with overclocking and the card falling apart. I got a 780 Classified and water cooled that but that wasn’t FE. I’m not a hardcore overclocker but do want stability if I do. Would FTW be the way to go or would FE be fine? XC doesn’t improve PCB or phase design, correct?



Okay, a few pointers for you:
 
1) If you buy EVGA GPU you get 3 years worldwide warranty. My experience of claiming warranty with EVGA is that they will be fair to you and not give you the run around.
2) You can extend the warranty by 2 extra years for $25, or for 7 extra years for $50. Even if you water-cool and the card goes caput then EVGA should cover you. This should give you some comfort that sinking $800 or $1200+ on a GPU will last a good few years. EVGA allow you to water-cool, but you need to return the card in the stock configuration (whatever it was when you bought it) to action the RMA.
3) FE or any reference cards like the EVGA XC-series should all have good overclocking headroom. The reference design has a 13 phase VRM which gives loads of headroom. The main constraints to overclock will be a) the power headroom in the card bios which Nvidia allows and b) the cooling capacity of whatever cooler. (If you water-cool this should give you headroom for an overclock). I personally think that the 19 phase of the FTW3 is overkill. The Kingpin might be worth it if you can overrule Nvidia's power limits.
4) XC does not improve the Founders Edition PCB in any way. It is simply the EVGA air cooling solution, a baked in overclock (XC Gaming same as Nvidia Founders Edition, XC Ultra 1-2% better stock overclock). But the FE PCB is already very good. The other difference is warranty. Nvidia 3 years standard, like EVGA. But qualitatively EVGA has a good reputation for honouring warranty and unlike Nvidia you can extend it beyond 3 years for the fee.
 
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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/11/02 07:21:56 (permalink)
I can say the Hydro Copper Water Block is the Easiest of the EVGA ones I have installed.
Removing the Original Cooler was easy and simple, also the Back Plate Stays in place and you do not remove it.
I am not an RGB users but I do like the Cyan Color I can set on my card.
I have two kits it will just take a while to get a second card. Not an FTW3 but still a nice card.
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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/11/02 08:36:23 (permalink)
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I can say the Hydro Copper Water Block is the Easiest of the EVGA ones I have installed.
Removing the Original Cooler was easy and simple, also the Back Plate Stays in place and you do not remove it.
I am not an RGB users but I do like the Cyan Color I can set on my card.
I have two kits it will just take a while to get a second card. Not an FTW3 but still a nice card.
My Max Temperature of 83C Dropped to a Max of 48C

what card did you install the block on? Evga, nvidia fe?
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Re: Waiting for HydroCopper cards vs. buying now and retrofitting myself? 2018/11/02 08:56:13 (permalink)
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I can say the Hydro Copper Water Block is the Easiest of the EVGA ones I have installed.
Removing the Original Cooler was easy and simple, also the Back Plate Stays in place and you do not remove it.
I am not an RGB users but I do like the Cyan Color I can set on my card.
I have two kits it will just take a while to get a second card. Not an FTW3 but still a nice card.
My Max Temperature of 83C Dropped to a Max of 48C


what card did you install the block on? Evga, nvidia fe?

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