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Since there seem to be 3 different binnig grades of chips, which one is EVGA using on the diffrerent boards?
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/15 01:46:23
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I have no info and have forwarded this to EVGA
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/15 12:54:50
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It's possible this question can't be answered until late next week
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/15 12:55:05
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Dschijn Since there seem to be 3 different binnig grades of chips, which one is EVGA using on the diffrerent boards?
Are you basing that on an WCCF article? That's the only place I've read that. What it looks like that article is claiming is GPU Boost is a 'factory overclock' and from that, they based their binning claims. I don't see the connection. With the new Turing GPU based GeForce RTX 20 series lineup, NVIDIA is going to offer two key things, first is a brand new dual-axial fan-based cooling solution and the other thing is a factory overclock out of the box. Yup, NVIDIA is going to offer their reference cards with a factory overclock, that means that the founder edition cards are shipping with binned dies that allow for the best clocks and overclocking potential. This means that AIBs can opt to offer lower priced variants that operate at lower clocks than the founder’s edition variants and also consumer lower power. https://wccftech.com/nvid...eakdown-oc-out-of-box/ Maybe they are confused with this https://www.nvidia.com/en...ics-cards/rtx-2080-ti/
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/15 13:41:21
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Multiple german PC news sites picked up that news. Seems like Nvidia is grading the GPUs into 3 classes and is using the best for the FE as well.
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Re: Binning 2080
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Dschijn Multiple german PC news sites picked up that news. Seems like Nvidia is grading the GPUs into 3 classes and is using the best for the FE as well.
Yeah, but the same sites reporting the same thing from the original source, WCCF, doesn't make it more credible and WCCF, is a dumpster fire for cred. That doesn't mean there's nothing behind it, we'll have to wait for *official word.
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/15 13:48:15
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One thing is for sure... the power target on the fe is going to limit your oc.
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/15 23:50:55
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HeavyHemi Yeah, but the same sites reporting the same thing from the original source, WCCF, doesn't make it more credible and WCCF, is a dumpster fire for cred. That doesn't mean there's nothing behind it, we'll have to wait for *official word. Actually it's not the same source. hardwareluxx und tomshardware both got the info from AIB partners. My guess is there won't be any official words (NDA)... we'll see. Sajin One thing is for sure... the power target on the fe is going to limit your oc. On air, maybe. If you are planning on watercooling the FEs already were the best bet. Both of my 1080Ti FEs clocked higher than most of the high end custom cards and had no coil whine or buzzing at all till 1000ish fps
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/16 00:20:10
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HeavyHemi Yeah, but the same sites reporting the same thing from the original source, WCCF, doesn't make it more credible and WCCF, is a dumpster fire for cred. That doesn't mean there's nothing behind it, we'll have to wait for *official word. Actually it's not the same source. hardwareluxx und toms hardware both got the info from AIB partners. My guess is there won't be any official words (NDA)... we'll see.
Sajin One thing is for sure... the power target on the fe is going to limit your oc. On air, maybe. If you are planning on watercooling the FEs already were the best bet. Both of my 1080Ti FEs clocked higher than most of the high end custom cards and had no coil whine or buzzing at all till 1000ish fps
Hardwareluxx article is dated yesterday https://www.hardwareluxx....ia-selektiert-vor.html I didn't find anything on Tom's got a link? The WCCF article was posted back in August.
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Re: Binning 2080
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/16 04:04:06
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The world is small @Dschijn ;)
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/16 12:38:04
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selfowned On air, maybe. If you are planning on watercooling the FEs already were the best bet. Both of my 1080Ti FEs clocked higher than most of the high end custom cards and had no coil whine or buzzing at all till 1000ish fps
The power target on the fe will limit your max overclock no matter what cooling you're running.
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/16 14:18:25
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Most 1080(Ti)s have not been limited by the PT to achive 2000-2100MHz, but by the "silicon lottery" the chip itself.
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Re: Binning 2080
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/17 04:07:21
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So we got "A" and "C" explained, what about "B" because there seem to be 3.
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Re: Binning 2080
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/17 13:30:34
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selfowned Factory Overclocking Forbidden on the Cheaper Variant Hmm... So can we expect A Grade GPUs on XC and XC Ultra, because both are factory overclocked?
(excerpt from link above) "NVIDIA is creating two device IDs per GPU to correspond to two different ASIC codes per GPU model (for example, TU102-300 and TU102-300-A for the RTX 2080 Ti). The Turing -300 variant is designated to be used on cards targeting the MSRP price point, while the 300-A variant is for use on custom-design, overclocked cards." As EVGA Builds ---> "custom-design, overclocked cards." ---> Seems like TU102-300-A is the answer
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/17 23:42:35
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Hmm... So can we expect A Grade GPUs on XC and XC Ultra, because both are factory overclocked?
Well, If EVGA sells the lowest/cheapest bin, and name them "XC ULTRA", It will be returned. 60 Days free return (inc shipping) over here, so no biggie.
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/18 00:15:34
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I am pretty sure that the lowest chip will be in OEM and mining cards.
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Re: Binning 2080
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Hmm... So can we expect A Grade GPUs on XC and XC Ultra, because both are factory overclocked?
Well, If EVGA sells the lowest/cheapest bin, and name them "XC ULTRA", It will be returned. 60 Days free return (inc shipping) over here, so no biggie.
What? It says that on EVGA's website? That doesn't sound right. Or are you ordering from a different retailer? Or do you live in a country with weird laws which say no matter what you agree to (on the website) at time of purchase, you can change your mind and be nasty to the retailer and force them to agree to your country's rules? Those laws are silly. It makes agreeing to a contract at time of purchase completely pointless and encourages consumers to act like scumbags. Those sort of laws encourage consumers to "test drive" new products, send them back, lower the product's value considerably, and not be held accountable. Sorry to rant, but those sort of countries choose those laws because they have little industry to hurt and instead just want to jab a fork in the sides of all of the businesses in other countries which they import from. I hope it is the second option (you will order from a different retailer).
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Re: Binning 2080
2018/09/18 00:20:43
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Dschijn I am pretty sure that the lowest chip will be in OEM and mining cards.
GPU mining died at the end of 2017. It may return some time. But, so far, 9 months later, it seems a little silly to talk about mining and theorize how some GPU's may be used for mining.
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Re: Binning 2080
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Hmm... So can we expect A Grade GPUs on XC and XC Ultra, because both are factory overclocked?
Well, If EVGA sells the lowest/cheapest bin, and name them "XC ULTRA", It will be returned. 60 Days free return (inc shipping) over here, so no biggie.
What? It says that on EVGA's website? That doesn't sound right.
Or are you ordering from a different retailer?
Or do you live in a country with weird laws which say no matter what you agree to (on the website) at time of purchase, you can change your mind and be nasty to the retailer and force them to agree to your country's rules? Those laws are silly. It makes agreeing to a contract at time of purchase completely pointless and encourages consumers to act like scumbags. Those sort of laws encourage consumers to "test drive" new products, send them back, lower the product's value considerably, and not be held accountable. Sorry to rant, but those sort of countries choose those laws because they have little industry to hurt and instead just want to jab a fork in the sides of all of the businesses in other countries which they import from.
I hope it is the second option (you will order from a different retailer).
Hi man, I want the drugs you are on. I could not disagree more, your stance on consumer law is silly in my eyes. However, yes, it's the second option. I'm ordering from "Komplett", scandinaviast largest reseller. They have hundreds of cards in stock, offer price match for 60 days (if anyone offer a lower price in the next 60 days, you will be refunded the difference), they ask for no reason and pays for the shipping if you want to return the product within 60 days, and they offer free shipping to begin with. No laws required, they just have competition, and are not a crappy company. Scandinavia is like that, because very few ppl abuse the system. I had an american friend visiting, that was shocked that we could just walk into a dealership, and borrow a car for the weekend for testing, at no charge and no paperwork. I mean, yes it's great, but what are you going to do, steal a car? The trust in goverment, compays and ppl are just at a whole other level here. You say it "encourages consumers to act like scumbags". Well no, it don't, it creates trust. You trust the company is giving you a good deal, and return the favor. Now aside from this little tangent; I found this quote in a differnet tread: Sajin XC = ICX2 cooler, thinner heatsink, 9 extra thermal sensors not included, lower clocked, fans can be individually controlled through px1. XC2 = ICX2 Cooler, thicker heatsink, 9 extra thermal sensors included, higher clocked, fans can be individually controlled through px1.
Now what is that supposed to mean, if the chip is the same and it auto-overclocks, how can the card performe any worse? Sure you can set a lower default clock, but that don't matter to actual clocks when running precision. Unless one is a 300, and the other one a 300A, sure hope not.
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