Dave3d
No, you cant do 60hz @ 4k on dvi.
Only on DP (and HDMI?).
 

I know that. My UI display is only 2650x1600 and connects to DVI as my primary display.
 
I need to solve the frame drop problem when LUTs are applied (Lumetri). CPU use is only 40%, GPU over 75% and dropping a lot of frames. Even with highly compressed h.264 footage, as it turns out, when a LUT is applied. There has to be a reason why the system hardware is loafing along but frames a dropping excessively.

Dr.Death
maybe search it out 
 
like this guy 
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3731884/adobe-premiere-pro-utilising-cpu-gpu.html
 
like I said about adobe and there optimization of there software ? 
 
also I think its still hard to get great performance from 4 k today    maybe with the best of todays / latest hardware and a mac' daddy cpu   . you see what them bench test posted above were using   not a I-5  or  run of the mill I-7   .
 
check what adobe fiorums are saying on that program  and its use  ?  may have issues to be fixed  ?
 
then this ? [scratching head]
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3310-adobe-premiere-benchmarks-rendering-8700k-gpu-vs-ryzen
 
seems fine and dandy  ?
 
I woiuld think a titan would be right at that 1080 ti  with in reason

 
My problem isn't rendering speed. In fact, rendering is faster than realtime playback, as I use NVENC encoder which uses GPU hardware to render.
 
The problem continues to be playback.
 
Even with 720P 30 dashcam footage, I'm seeing dropped frames. It drops a whole bunch of frames when I open the Task Manager, too, but only 2% of CPU use playing that footage. I'm beside myself how Premiere can have trouble playing half HD resolution video when only using 2% CPU.
 
Sometimes I think I'd be happier being a rice farmer in Japan. :-/

Dr.Death
I see y6ou system spec's  and seems fine   plenty of mem and 2x cpu's   ?
 
what about this proxies brought up here ?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBIpflLe6F0
 
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2434277
 
or like hfrom here a guy just said he's going back to 2017 .
https://www.reddit.com/r/premiere/comments/77ot55/help_premiere_pro_cc_2018_is_slllloooowwww/?st=jkrcdwto&sh=f7f3592f
 
 

Checked out all three threads.. the Reddit one is about a Mac computer. So it seems Adobe flops on both platforms.
It was manageable on earlier versions, and I had accepted a dropped frame or three on a ten minute playback, but 2018 is dropping 80-100 frames every minute.
I even tried turning on proxies and importing some Prores, then switching to Cineform proxies and although the CPU use dropped from 37% to 4%, the system still dropped dozens of frames in a minute. And it took as long to convert the proxies as it would take to play out the entire project. Conversion is dog slow.
It's a shame, because this is otherwise a solid version of Premiere, no crashes, loads every format except dashcam videos, and has a modest few enhancements. HEVC rendering is amazingly speedy, almost realtime with Adobe's software encoding, too.
I just wish it could play footage smoothly. Even playing converted 1280x720 30P dashcam footage isn't smooth--it drops frames. It also drops a bunch of frames when I open Task Manager. That never happened on earlier versions of Premiere. I could multitask while playing back and the dropped frames indicator never turned yellow.

 
 
 
CPU temp is around 25°C on all 16 cores. The case is VERY well ventilated. Very little heat producing stuff. SSDs run at ambient. The only thing running hot (49°C) is the GPU.
 
I mean that the CPU usage in Task Manager drops to 4% when using proxies. Disc usage is very low too. I can't figure out where the bottleneck is.
 
I've even played with changing (dangerous, they say) the app's priority to Realtime, with zero improvement.
 
The only time the CPUs work hard is at rendering time. Then they hit the 90% range.
 
Playback is weird though.. I hit play and sometimes the playback is like 1 frame every 2-3 seconds. It's stuck. CPU usage hits 100%. Then I stop and start play and it plays almost normal speed and CPU use drops to 37%. This is with Lumetri enabled to apply a Sony LUT for the PXW-FS7. Without Lumetri, CPU is 12% or less on the same 4K Prores clip. But still drops a few frames every few seconds. But far less than with Lumetri on and the LUT applied.
 
It actually does better playing DJI Phantom 4 footage, which is h.264. Except when I apply a LUT. Then it tanks.
 
I've read every one of those Adobe forum threads and participated in a few myself over the past 3 years. No one has any answers.
 
Turning off ALL power saving options was in the first 3 days of troubleshooting this system when it was new. I even replaced the Titan X under RMA warranty. New GPU, same problems.
 
All unnecessary services were pruned from the system in the first day of installation. In other words, this system has every O/S optimization tweak that I could find on the internet. Even registry changes to improve disc I/O and so on. Nothing helped!
 
So I lived with a few dropped frames in CC2015 and CS6 for 3 years. Meanwhile, my old Core2Quad with 8GB RAM runs CC2018 almost as well as my dual Xeon, with the same footage as a test. I used to think that was because my 2008 machine was overclocked to 4GHz and the new machine is stock at 3.2GHz. I continue to be puzzled.

Well, just like my 780 runs better (more stable, loads meshes, does everything correctly) than my Titan, I wish we could both figure out whats wrong.
I think these Titans are just junk though.
I wouldnt mind your 40c titan though. Mine I have to bend over backwards and use msi afterburner and heatsinks and fans just to get it to stay near 73c.
And that is in a VERY well ventilated case, a/c poured into it, 21-22C environment, and a 20 year old game running on it.
:(

What is a '4k 60p signal' ?
Is that 4k @ 60 frames per second?
If so, the old titans do NOT do 4k @ 60 frames. It will only do 4k @ 30 frames
 
I googled and found this:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/24p
 
Creates 'jitter' when using 30 fps and 60 fps together.
Does this sound like whats happening to you?
 
Sorry, I dont do all of that software you are talking about, so dont know much about it.
Probably get better support from the people who do do that stuff all the time, like you have already tried with other forums.
It seems like you are just stuck with cruddy video, until you want to 'try' to switch to a newer card, if that will even fix it.
:(

Dr.Death
..........
I assume with the same titan card ?    do you have a buddy using this software that has a card known to work with his well to try in yours to see if any diff.  ?    or maybe try your card in his  with your 4k monitor ?
 

 
Yup, this is the GTX Titan X that I bought for $1000 in Aug 2015.
 
The more I experiment with DaVinci Resolve, the more I am coming to the conclusion that Premiere is incompatible with the Supermicro X10DRi motherboard.
 
I put together a torture test in DaVinci. A four camera (4K UHD each camera) multicamera timeline. Then, I overlaid four more 4K UHD and 4K DCI clips, scaled them each to about 39% and rotated them 30 degrees, forming a collage of 4K images. DaVinci plays this with only minor difficulty. Main CPU= 50%. GPU = 100%. That's EIGHT 4K videos being read and processed and displayed simultaneously on screen.
 
DaVinci Resolve 15 playing 8 4K UHD streams at once: https://youtu.be/i4hn3p9QlaU
 
So now I'm convinced the hardware is fine, but Premiere is somehow incompatible.

Dr.Death
that looks better by far.  what about one loaded with stuff max  full screen  at 4 k 
 
I don't think the motherboard is a issue its what you put on it  and then is it what adobe  gave priority to  in any optimization  .   you seen the forums on them  it works as expected or it don't  . that's what I all ways seen from adobe users  posts  .
 
I do think if you got the retail disk of that adobe  I may try a fresh uninstall and reinstall  to insure you got it all in clean and no corruption  [less likely with a retail disk but high risk if a downloaded software of it ]  any fault in the internet connection  downloading could corrupt things .
 
Main CPU= 50%. GPU = 100%  that looks about right  . that may go up and down a bit but not fall out as you said you get under the adobe  .   kinda why I think it could be a program utilization package and what hardware like cpu's / gpus  adobe gave any priority to  in like the softwares   microcodes    during there detection  . / officially supported hardware   .

 
I'm really thinking it's motherboard chipset incompatible with Adobe. Something to do with the timing/clocking of playback.
 
I've installed Adobe Premiere multiple times, with the same result. Each new version, same problems on this system. It should be no comparison with my 10 year old Core2Quad system, but it's about the same, just a tad better than it, despite 32 threads vs. 4 threads.
 
That DaVinci torture test was about as worst case as I could come up with. Having it read eight clips should stress the HDD system, and scaling and rotating should stress GPU. Eight 4K video clips playing at once, more smoothly than Premiere plays just ONE clip.
 
But I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. DaVinci can't import a lot of my footage, and can't render out h.264 without an error, the titler sucks and I can't get 4K full screen output without investing thousands of dollars in their proprietary hardware. I have an Intensity Pro 4K, but it maxes out at UHD 30P and displays pillarboxed on my 4K monitor and on my 4K projector. UGH!

Dr.Death
'' I'm caught between a rock and a hard place''
 
well sadly that seems to be the name of there game 
 
''10 year old Core2Quad system, but it's about the same, just a tad better than it, despite 32 threads vs. 4 threads. ''
 
now you see maybe if you had a i7 4770   it may fly with it  ?   do you got the best bios for you CPU's on that board ?  maybe a better supporting bios that kicks them in gear a tad better ? likie asus and there'' improve system stability '' one behind the other ? 
 
like your cpu's you did not say what revision  as you see there differences between them  did not say what mobo your running ?
 
just seems that the adobe should utilize  as the davinci  not just go idle and there you sit   

 
I built a system with an i7 4770 for a friend recently. It ran okay, though one stream of 4K footage utilized about 50% of the CPU capability. The system could not do a 2-camera 4K edit without dropping frames.
 
The motherboard is Supermicro X10DRi, running the original BIOS. I looked at the newest BIOS and it seems the only changes are related to security enhancements, which don't likely affect performance in Premiere.
 
Curiously, DaVinci Resolve runs effortlessly on this same machine. So the machine is apparently super adequate, it's just that Premiere is fighting it. Probably some core compatibility issue.

Dr.Death
............. 
the sad thing to me is how guys get this  and have issue and get suggestions  to use another program  and the guy says he cant cause its all there company /school  or what ever will accept   like your being held hostage to adobe  .
 
heck I don't even care to use there pdf reader anymore  and now its gone all cloud base / public server....  pretty much you private personal computer is gone its now a public computer  stored all on the cloud  ..  and people love it and think its so great   ?????  I guess the same folks that put themselves  and there family's  whole life on facebook to be viewed and tracked open to the public .
 
anyway looking at these few things and there attached links  that 2 xeon set up seems not to be the thing ?

Thanks for those forum links. I see I am not alone! It's a Premiere problem. It almost seems like Premiere would be happy on a single core 20GHz CPU.
 
I've been trained on and a Premiere user for 20 years. I'm trying to learn Resolve gradually, as I think in a few more updates, they'll possibly address the remaining issues that prevent me from switching over.
 
Not being able to ingest a lot of popular formats and not being able to render anything above 1080P is a serious limitation of Resolve at the moment.

Dr.Death
all you can do is what you can do  ..   just sad you gort to suffer to have something that works tom your needs  . as long as adobe been doing this stuff you would think they could get over there hump 
 
best of luck  ..

With the resources that Adobe has on hand, one would think they could make bug-free, high performing software. Who knows how many hundreds or thousands of editors limp along with Premiere, while waiting for a competing NLE to finally become usable. UGH.

Dr.Death
'' Who knows how many hundreds or thousands of editors limp along with''
 
P-L-E-N-T-Y 
 
like they say  ''you get what you pay 4 ''  [and sometimes less ]
 
 

In this case, LOTS less (as far as Premiere goes).

maxfly
i may have missed this. what does premiere have to say about your issues? im assuming you had to buy the software? either way i would be having a nice long conversation about your problems and how its costing you time and money.

Adobe has been little to no help. Apparently, I'm not alone in the class of irritated Premiere users. I spend time on the phone with some overseas person who appears to be reading from a script. It's frustrating. One person tells me it's my hardware. Another tells me to reinstall Windows. Another tells me to reinstall Premiere. I've also been back and forth with Supermicro, the maker of the motherboard I used in this super system build, and they can't figure out what's wrong. They blame Adobe.
Meanwhile, Resolve runs like it's pushing around CGA resolution video. Shame it can't import half the formats I work with no export in any of the UHD and 4K formats I publish in.

Dave3d
MWHD , you might want to check this video out about the 2000 series Turing cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLALfPTGGro&feature=youtu.be
 
It talks about split video, scaling video, and all kinds  of other stuff.
Maybe this will be your actual fix.

I'm not sure the GPU is the fix either. For a brief time, when my first Titan X was dying, and I sent it in for warranty replacement, I ran a GTX 680. I was surprised that there was no performance difference in Premiere.
 
Tonight I was having a lot of trouble just playing some 1080P ActionCam footage that my wife shot in the Philippines last week. It was driving me nuts that no matter how low the resolution of the video, Premiere was stuttering and freezing a lot. My gut keeps saying this is some sort of clocking problem.

Dave3d
Well, I hope you get it sorted out.
Just like me and my computer, still having same issues after 6 cards, and os re-installs, and all kinds of tweaks and swaps and everything.
I think I am just going to have to save for a new system (lol, 0 income), and scrap this system, part it out on ebay.
Get a pre-built system for the 1st time in my life, and hope it doesnt do like this card did.
I DREAD going to win10 though. Yuk. 8.1 is more than enough for me, too much infact. Win7 would have been just fine for the rest of my life lol.

My thoughts exactly on Win 8-10. I have a laptop with Win 10 and it's a constant nag machine. With involuntary updates, it could break delicate hardware driver configuration and put me out of business.
 
That said, I have a DOM SSD drive on order, it's 128GB and plugs into the DOM socket on motherboard. I plan to install Win 10 on that drive and make it a boot drive, then install Premiere and see how it behaves. If not good, I won't bother any further. Then I'll know it's a hardware conflict.
 
There MUST be some sort of clocking problem with the code that determines the playback speed. I can scrub through a 1080P timeline with zero lag, effortlessly, but try to play it and it gets 'stuck' and then plays 1fps then freezes. If I stop and start a few times, it will play at 24fps, but drop a few frames here and there. Same behavior at 4K. Baffling that it can drop frames with only 3% CPU usage and power saving disabled and all power options set to max performance mode, even the BIOS.
 
Meanwhile, DaVinci Resolve 15 runs almost too good to be true. Eight 4K streams multicamera with PiP overlays and sharpening and LUTs applied and it plays smooth as one SD stream. That is the sort of performance I expected from a dual Xeon with $10K of CPUs installed. Premiere must have some gross incompatibility with the chipset on the motherboard.