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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/21 12:52:17
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mark_thaddeus
Of course when you raise settings the FPS for the game will lower, even if you use a 1080ti and you do the same thing and lower settings you would get higher FPS at 1080p.
No, that is completely wrong and I think I get now why you don't understand CPU/GPU bottlenecks. The CPU defines the highest FPS you can get. If you are CPU limited and raise the settings to a point where you are still CPU limited, FPS will not go down. Say a CPU can do 100 FPS in a game at 1080p, it will also do 100 FPS at 1440p, or 800x600, or any other resolution. CPU doesn't care about resolution. If the GPU is capable of matching or exceeding the CPU FPS at a certain resolution, you are CPU limited. When you raise the resolution or settings high enough, the GPU becomes the limit. No GPU you buy can will increase the FPS above what the CPU is capable of. So in the WD2 example, if OP wanted to play at ultra settings on a 1060 (45 FPS @1080p) he would be GPU limited, if he wanted to play at very high settings (60 FPS @1080p) he would be slightly CPU limited. You will always be limited by one or the other. mark_thaddeus
You're the first person to tell me that seeing a CPU usage at 90-95% and GPU at 50-70% (in most games) means nothing and I'll leave it at that.
Nah, what I actually said was I think OP probably has something else wrong with his system as those number make no sense with his games and settings. Nice reading comprehension.
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/21 18:24:30
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I don't quite get the argument going on here for something that isn't that complicated. Fundamentally you have 2 components, CPU and GPU, which must work in parallel to render gameplay graphics. If one bottlenecks the other slows to match, and vice versa. Some games will rely heavier on CPU than others, and some game settings will weight the balance to the GPU (higher resolution for example). From the OP it seems to be a fairly clear case of a CPU bottleneck, and with the OPs stated settings GPU/RAM memory isn't likely to be an issue for texture resolution even if on a 3GB card instead of his 6GB.
That said even removing the CPU bottleneck may not get him always over 144 fps on a 1060, and it doesn't seem like the CPU is a -huge- bottleneck considering the GPU load levels as well. Ultimately the OP is on mid-level hardware and he's asking for high-end performance. I'd say he can probably up the game settings a bit to make it look better than low, get the CPU and GPU comparable on load, and live with it or do some heaftier upgrading.
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/21 19:32:57
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I don't quite get the argument going on here for something that isn't that complicated. Fundamentally you have 2 components, CPU and GPU, which must work in parallel to render gameplay graphics. If one bottlenecks the other slows to match, and vice versa. Some games will rely heavier on CPU than others, and some game settings will weight the balance to the GPU (higher resolution for example). From the OP it seems to be a fairly clear case of a CPU bottleneck, and with the OPs stated settings GPU/RAM memory isn't likely to be an issue for texture resolution even if on a 3GB card instead of his 6GB.
That said even removing the CPU bottleneck may not get him always over 144 fps on a 1060, and it doesn't seem like the CPU is a -huge- bottleneck considering the GPU load levels as well. Ultimately the OP is on mid-level hardware and he's asking for high-end performance. I'd say he can probably up the game settings a bit to make it look better than low, get the CPU and GPU comparable on load, and live with it or do some heaftier upgrading.
That's all I've been trying to say basically, that in this particular case, and considering his hardware and the CPU and GPU usage being shown, it's more of a CPU bottleneck. The 1060 is equivalent to a GTX 980 which is in no way THE MAIN bottleneck considering that he uses a weaker CPU in the i5-4440 (which is even slower than the i5-2500k - sandy bridge is a generation older than his Haswell - at stock).
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/24 08:58:52
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I read all of this and I ll try to clarify things. So my main gain is fortnite. The fact is that the fps difference between my ex 750 and my 1060 6gb is not that huge I expected. I Mean I get 150 fps + on low settings. Unless at some spots I get 70-80 and so when you are playing on a 144hz monitor, it feel not smooth at all at this frame rate. With my 750 the average fps was lower then now but the min fps, in demanding spots, it's almost the same. When I lower resolution, my fps doesn't go higher. When I put up settings, my gpu usage get up a bit but I also lost some fps.
I don't really know what to do so.. Maybe buy an i7 4790k, the most powerful for my mobo but also very hard to find on the market today. Or change my mobo go for a powerfull i7, switch to ddr4 ram but I ll not be able to buy all of this for the moment.
The thing is that I feel disappointed, I mean buying a 1060 and can't use all of it at 144hz, it's like a waste of money for me. (if I put all settings on ultra my gpu goes at 90%+ but yeah... With 50-60 fps, what it feel unplayable for me)
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/24 09:01:50
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I also have to say that my cpu usage is not at 100% too. Yesterday when I was playing and when my fps drop to 70, I checked my cpu usage (got a lcd screen on my keyboard who show me my ram and cpu usage). And so my cpu usage get down to about 60-70 too at this moment ( usually about 90%)
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/24 17:13:29
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So you're using a 1080p 144Hz monitor, is it a G-Sync monitor or not? It would be nice if you could actually test your old GPU and the new GPU with V-Sync off for both, so you will see what your actual FPS is for both cards (No OC on CPU) at the same settings (low,medium, and high). Take note of the performance for each. I would then OC your CPU and check out the difference in performance for both cards going through the same steps above. That would then give you the a baseline to work on as well as see the performance difference. Of course if you want to shorten the whole process (or don't have your old GPU aymore), just OC your CPU and see what performance gains you get from that. I also want to know if your have V-Sync on because if you do, when the fps falls below 144hz with it on, stuttering will be visible and the game will not feel smooth at all (unless using a G-Sync monitor). So you need to tweak your settings so your always at the 144 fps or 144 Hz. Here's a few tweaks you can do to get the most fps in Fortnite - https://www.gamingscan.com/best-settings-fortnite/ EDIT: Using your 4th gen CPU (i5-4440) on a 144 Hz monitor would definitely be more of a bottleneck versus your 1060.
post edited by mark_thaddeus - 2018/05/24 17:19:17
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/24 18:14:57
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I think it’s time to kind of step back from the war and just say it’s likely CPU limited to a point.
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/24 19:33:52
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Well can I really oc my cpu? While it's not a K. And my monitor doesn't have gsync, I don't use vsync. But yeah when my fps start goint under 90, I'm starting feel it laggy
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/24 19:52:18
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Well can I really oc my cpu? While it's not a K. And my monitor doesn't have gsync, I don't use vsync. But yeah when my fps start goint under 90, I'm starting feel it laggy
At 1080p 144 Hz your 1060 won't hit 144 fps (at ultra or high) until you turn down some settings (don't use AA, post processing, or shadows). Add the fact that you have an older and weaker CPU means you are handicapped in that specific scenario. I'm not sure with your CPU if you can OC it the usual way, but have you tried to increase the multiplier in your motherboard? If you can't, you can do BCLK OCing, that's the fallback for non K chips. If you're not familiar with that, you're going to have to do some reading on it to push your OC. Here's something to get you started. https://www.pcworld.com/a...ll-cpu-like-a-pro.html I know you just spent money on buying a GPU, so tweaking your system to get it as fast as possible would be the best option. If you want to spend money but not go crazy, buying a 2nd hand 4770k (and OC) or a 4790K would probably be my 2nd option. Tests have shown (Harware Unboxed) that a OC'd 4770k is good enough to handle games currently.
post edited by mark_thaddeus - 2018/05/24 20:01:20
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Re: Bottleneck with 1060?
2018/05/25 07:28:49
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All my settings are already on low. And yeah I planned to buy a 4790k asap. I ll wait to get the lowest price possible I think. Like 200 €
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