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The computer case industry has gone nuts with large gaps on cases with tempered glass. Corsair 570X, 500D have a 4mm or larger gap between the tempered glass and the case frame. Talk about a pain to keep dust out of the case and off the back side of the tempered glass. I can't wait until the industry gets over the tempered glass crazy of putting it on 2-4 sides of the case. Corsair 570X gap on side panels Corsair 500D gap on side panels
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/08 23:31:38
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You should post some pics showing what you mean.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/09 00:01:43
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XrayMan You should post some pics showing what you mean.
+1.... that's not a good thing with a gap that big. That will destroy the cooling capacity, pressure and fluidity of the air. Unless those gaps are a there intentionally to help with bringing cool air in?!
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/09 02:01:12
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XrayMan You should post some pics showing what you mean.
+1.... that's not a good thing with a gap that big. That will destroy the cooling capacity, pressure and fluidity of the air. Unless those gaps are a there intentionally to help with bringing cool air in?!
I kind of think that the gaps are probably to allow air flow but at the same time it really does get dusty and I personally don't think we need full glass cases and really a metal case should help cool a lot better then glass would. Glass doesn't transfer heat nearly as well as like aluminum.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/09 10:41:00
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Gaps in a case is not good
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/09 13:58:04
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Added pics to original post, look at the gap on the side panels. You can stick a ruler between it with no problems. I seen a video where someone did that but i can't find it now. I think it might of been one of "TimeToLiveCustoms" i mean OC3D TV videos i seen it on.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/09 21:33:12
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MSim Added pics to original post
Thanks.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/10 11:27:25
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It's a feature! lol... maybe there's a reason for it, like to avoid any rattling vibration noise where the glass is barely touching the case, but that could be easily fixed with a rubber gasket all the way around making a good seal and allowing airflow to work as it should inside a case. You could try adding some self-adhesive foam seal strip - lots of different dimensions available.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/10 11:42:16
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I still have a little contact with Corsair. I will try to see if I can get any info for you but their office is closed on the weekends. No guarantees.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/10 12:04:18
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Nereus It's a feature! lol... maybe there's a reason for it, like to avoid any rattling vibration noise where the glass is barely touching the case, but that could be easily fixed with a rubber gasket all the way around making a good seal and allowing airflow to work as it should inside a case. You could try adding some self-adhesive foam seal strip - lots of different dimensions available.
You could add foam like that, or the mfg could of added a gasket or a thin rubber lining around the edge of the tempered glass, if they are worried about it being damaged or scratched. We see too many mfg these days rushing products to market without doing proper testing.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/10 12:40:08
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Nereus It's a feature! lol... maybe there's a reason for it, like to avoid any rattling vibration noise where the glass is barely touching the case, but that could be easily fixed with a rubber gasket all the way around making a good seal and allowing airflow to work as it should inside a case. You could try adding some self-adhesive foam seal strip - lots of different dimensions available.
You could add foam like that, or the mfg could of added a gasket or a thin rubber lining around the edge of the tempered glass, if they are worried about it being damaged or scratched. We see too many mfg these days rushing products to market without doing proper testing.
Companies like EVGA, Corsair, CoolerMaster, and Thermaltake to mention but a few do very detailed testing of all the products they make.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/10 13:19:14
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Nereus It's a feature! lol... maybe there's a reason for it, like to avoid any rattling vibration noise where the glass is barely touching the case, but that could be easily fixed with a rubber gasket all the way around making a good seal and allowing airflow to work as it should inside a case. You could try adding some self-adhesive foam seal strip - lots of different dimensions available.
You could add foam like that, or the mfg could of added a gasket or a thin rubber lining around the edge of the tempered glass, if they are worried about it being damaged or scratched. We see too many mfg these days rushing products to market without doing proper testing.
Companies like EVGA, Corsair, CoolerMaster, and Thermaltake to mention but a few do very detailed testing of all the products they make.
Some of the products they release makes customers question that. Thermaltake likes to rip off other companies designs. They posted image of a competitor case they ripped off on facebook instead of one they "designed". Coolermaster is working on fixing it's design issues. How come this design issue wasn't caught during testing. this bottom fan is starved for air. (DG-87 case) Looks like they cared more about having pointless branding over better airflow.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/10 21:40:11
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what was wrong with clear alcryic it served us well for 16 years until this glass craze hit, whats the big deal
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/11 01:37:46
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Well, they do have transparent aluminum now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmt2Tw8eNCg so they don't need to use glass at all really. I think that the gap maybe because with safety glass like these case panels the easiest way to shatter it is to hit in the corners, and it doesn't need a lot of power to make it happen either. So maybe that's a easier , and cheaper!, way to build it is just to make a gap then to put them closer and add rubber or foam etc....
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/11 12:03:58
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candle_86 what was wrong with clear alcryic it served us well for 16 years until this glass craze hit, whats the big deal
lol you can't be serious. Glass is far superior. As for computer cases not being vacuum sealed when was that ever the case? Dust has always been an issue, it's just more noticed now that you can see in the cases and these cases have quality materials now that reflect such as glass.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/11 12:35:01
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candle_86 what was wrong with clear alcryic it served us well for 16 years until this glass craze hit, whats the big deal
lol you can't be serious. Glass is far superior. As for computer cases not being vacuum sealed when was that ever the case? Dust has always been an issue, it's just more noticed now that you can see in the cases and these cases have quality materials now that reflect such as glass.
Yeah, honestly I have less problems with dust now than my original cases when I first started building PC's in the early 2000's.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/11 14:09:27
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candle_86 what was wrong with clear alcryic it served us well for 16 years until this glass craze hit, whats the big deal
lol you can't be serious. Glass is far superior. As for computer cases not being vacuum sealed when was that ever the case? Dust has always been an issue, it's just more noticed now that you can see in the cases and these cases have quality materials now that reflect such as glass.
It's easier to see through glass but Acrylic works just fine. Acrylic doesn't weight as much and won't shatter if it's dropped or gets hit on the edge too hard. What good is tempered glass if the mfg paints one side of it lol. A gap all long the side panels allow more dust to enter the case, it can also make it a pain to have positive air flow inside the case.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/11 22:44:02
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candle_86 what was wrong with clear alcryic it served us well for 16 years until this glass craze hit, whats the big deal
lol you can't be serious. Glass is far superior. As for computer cases not being vacuum sealed when was that ever the case? Dust has always been an issue, it's just more noticed now that you can see in the cases and these cases have quality materials now that reflect such as glass.
No I'm quite serious, you get large gaps, easier to break, and harder to replace while costing 2x as much, i fail to see any advantage
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/12 05:02:14
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My Cougar Panzer case has tempered glass and it has no gap next to the case on both sides. I'm sure its not air tight but definitely not a 4mm gap. My only gripe with that case is the lack of easily removable air filters on the front and top. I'm kind of upset with the EVGA case front panel though.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/12 23:47:39
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@MSIM: Here is the info I received from Corsair regarding your query: "...there has to be a gap so there isn’t any pressure up against the glass. For example, right now, if you overtighten those thumb screws, you can crack it. No case will be free of gaps so the argument of air leaking out is pointless. There is always more than enough air inside a case to cool components unless you have absolutely minimal airflow in which case, a case that’s sealed will be the least of your concerns."
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/13 00:36:05
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rjohnson11 @MSIM: Here is the info I received from Corsair regarding your query: "...there has to be a gap so there isn’t any pressure up against the glass. For example, right now, if you overtighten those thumb screws, you can crack it. No case will be free of gaps so the argument of air leaking out is pointless. There is always more than enough air inside a case to cool components unless you have absolutely minimal airflow in which case, a case that’s sealed will be the least of your concerns."
I had a feeling that was going to be somewhat the answer, especially about the pressure/cracking the glass VERY easily. As far as sealing the case, mine is sealed pretty darn good, its def not air tight, but its pretty close. I have huge positive pressure too though and have sealed some of the other parts off, so pretty much no air gets in unless its through the filters. Unless hes referring to a sealed case with no air intake/exhaust access at all, which ya that would be a huge problem.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/14 23:51:56
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rjohnson11 @MSIM: Here is the info I received from Corsair regarding your query: "...there has to be a gap so there isn’t any pressure up against the glass. For example, right now, if you overtighten those thumb screws, you can crack it. No case will be free of gaps so the argument of air leaking out is pointless. There is always more than enough air inside a case to cool components unless you have absolutely minimal airflow in which case, a case that’s sealed will be the least of your concerns."
That's nothing but excuses from whoever you talked to from Corsair. If what that person said was true, every case mfg would have a big gap all around the side panels like the poorly design Corsair 570X and 500D case. I'm not talking about a water tight seal, just a good enough seal to prevent air from escaping or entering the case from around the side panels. Tempered glass cases without a big gap all around the side panels: LIAN LI ALPHA 330X Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Series PH-ES515PTG_BK Mid Tower Computer Case Fractal Design Meshify C-TG Mid Tower Computer Case The easiest way to prevent someone from over tightening a side panel window screw, put a hard plastic sleeve inside where the screw goes through it. That would allow you to set how far someone can tighten the screw. It would make it damn near impossible to over tighten the screw due to the screw head bottoming out on the sleeve inside the hole. This post here wouldn't be allowed on Corsair forums. It's forbidden to mention a competitors product on Corsair forums.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/14 23:58:44
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Give RJ some credit at least for going out of his way, and trying to help. :/
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/15 00:15:55
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XrayMan Give RJ some credit at least for going out of his way, and trying to help. :/
I didn't bash him, i only commented about what the person from Corsair told him. It's clear the Corsair person only made excuses for why both cases were poorly design. It's not just me who thinks both cases are poorly designed, lots people have said that on real reviews of both cases.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/15 00:44:12
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XrayMan Give RJ some credit at least for going out of his way, and trying to help. :/
I didn't bash him, i only commented about what the person from Corsair told him. It's clear the Corsair person only made excuses for why both cases were poorly design. It's not just me who thinks both cases are poorly designed, lots people have said that on real reviews of both cases.
The explanation makes sense when you consider that fans inside a case could cause a lot of negative pressure inside the case and the outside pressure could cause the glass to break pretty easy. The two ways to fix it is allow more air into the case or make the glass thick like an aquarium.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
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XrayMan Give RJ some credit at least for going out of his way, and trying to help. :/
I didn't bash him, i only commented about what the person from Corsair told him. It's clear the Corsair person only made excuses for why both cases were poorly design. It's not just me who thinks both cases are poorly designed, lots people have said that on real reviews of both cases.
The explanation makes sense when you consider that fans inside a case could cause a lot of negative pressure inside the case and the outside pressure could cause the glass to break pretty easy. The two ways to fix it is allow more air into the case or make the glass thick like an aquarium.
It still doesn't make sense or we would see EVERY case mfg adding a large gap where you can stick a ruler though the sides of the tempered glass side panels without any problems. I have never seen a case that's air tight to point where fans could cause a vacuum inside it. You could put topical case fans at every spot possible pulling air out of the case, i doubt that would could cause even plexiglass to bow in at all, let alone cause tempered glass to break. Look at the cases i link above, do you see a large gap between the side panel windows like you do on the two Corsair cases above. I couldn't stick a regular school ruler between the tempered side panel glass and see it inside the case. Wish i could find that video i seen of someone sticking ruler between the tempered glass on a Corsair case with ease.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
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candle_86 what was wrong with clear alcryic it served us well for 16 years until this glass craze hit, whats the big deal
lol you can't be serious. Glass is far superior. As for computer cases not being vacuum sealed when was that ever the case? Dust has always been an issue, it's just more noticed now that you can see in the cases and these cases have quality materials now that reflect such as glass.
It's easier to see through glass but Acrylic works just fine. Acrylic doesn't weight as much and won't shatter if it's dropped or gets hit on the edge too hard. What good is tempered glass if the mfg paints one side of it lol. A gap all long the side panels allow more dust to enter the case, it can also make it a pain to have positive air flow inside the case.
Acrylic is garbage. Had one those before. How often are you people breaking glass? I have two glass desks I'm able to use just fine without breaking it so a panel on a computer case is a non issue as well. My case doesn't have a huge gap either with it's glass panel. Dust gets in computer cases regardless of the material used.
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/03/15 10:08:14
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fearpoint Acrylic is garbage. Had one those before. How often are you people breaking glass? I have two glass desks I'm able to use just fine without breaking it so a panel on a computer case is a non issue as well. My case doesn't have a huge gap either with it's glass panel. Dust gets in computer cases regardless of the material used.
Acrylic is fine until people scratch it all up. Some cheap cases use low quality acrylic, which doesn't help. I don't know of anyone that has broken tempered glass side panel myself. If i did break one, i would make a new one out of Acrylic .
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Re: Computer cases with tempered glass having a large gap
2018/04/05 19:05:29
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The new Fractal Design R6 cases don't have that problem and you can always the another tempered glass side panel to back side if that's the look you want
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