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2018/02/19 15:45:43 (permalink)
I have PCI-E Risers and multiple GPUs. I want to power all of these direct from the PSU without adapters.

If I have the EVGA 1200, I have 6 VGA ports on the PSU but the split 8 + 6(2) cables aren’t long enough to plug into the GPU and Riser (per cable).

How are others powering their GPU and Risers with a single PSU? Sata is a no-no. Is it a matter of using Molex instead?

Have other used 6 pin 18 AWG extensions to connect to the risers? Is this safe or creates a risk?
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/19 15:59:59 (permalink)
    only adapter to trust if that is 2x molex to 6 pin. I wouldn't even use that. To clarify all your risers are powered and if so how so please?
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/19 16:04:53 (permalink)
    All of my risers are 6 pin PCI-E powered. I have not plugged them in yet as I want to use the correct power, ideally 6pin direct from the PSU. If I get a EVGA 1600 Watt, could I Power 6 of the GPUs via VGA and use the last 3 VGA ports on the PSU to power the 6 risers (2 per VGA port) by using 6 + 6(2) cables?
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/19 16:38:59 (permalink)
    I have wondered about using 2 6 pin power connectors on the riders i'm sure it's fine,

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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/19 17:07:45 (permalink)
    The problem here is you have put all your eggs into one basket and thus making your issue extremely complicated.  QuintLeo has stated in the other threads the PROPER way to power your rigs, and it's not with 1 big stupid power supply, but instead to use multiple, smaller power supplies, because of the very problem you are running into.  You can link the smaller power supplies with add2psu adapters so that they all power on at the same time, and because you are running multiple smaller power supplies, you have more cables and more VGA ports than 1 big power supply of the same wattage can provide. 
     
    I seriously don't know why people come here and don't use the search function or don't read the other threads that have already answered these very questions.  Sell your power supply, or return it if you can and get 2 smaller power supplies, either 2x750 or 2x850 and your situation will be solved.  If I sound crusty, it's because i am starting to lose my patience with the same question being asked over and over again with people not bothering to do the most basic of research before asking.
     
    https://forums.evga.com/Need-help-powering-risers-on-8-GPU-mining-rig-EVGA-750-G2-m2748906.aspx
    https://forums.evga.com/Building-safest-6-GPU-mining-rig-with-GTX-1070-TI-m2751163.aspx
    https://forums.evga.com/Safely-Powering-PCIE-Risers-m2784139.aspx
     
    Everything is answered in these 3 threads..the first one has all the definitive answers, and the rest deal with some other issues, #2 with running all on 1 power supply, #3 with splitting it into 2.  It's like you didn't even try to read the sub and you're just looking for someone to spoon feed you, which I am sure QuintLeo is probably sick of doing at this point.

     

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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/19 17:38:13 (permalink)
    I have done a ton of research and in my scenario I can only fit one PSU in my 4U server (the third post is mine).

    Thank you for the recommendation on the dual supplies (I had already looked at those and was concerned about consistent power/allocation).

    My goal is a single PSU and do not require to be “spoon fed”. While I understand your frustration (and I did search/research but nothing exactly matched my scenario), your frustrations could be better stated.
    post edited by hermes980 - 2018/02/19 17:47:28
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/19 18:34:17 (permalink)
    There are more than 6 other threads here that talk about this... why not read a few?


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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/19 18:37:29 (permalink)
    I did read them and none of them spoke to using the 6 +8(6+2) cable to power two risers
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/19 20:36:40 (permalink)
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    I did read them and none of them spoke to using the 6 +8(6+2) cable to power two risers

    hrmm seems to me the 2nd post that I referenced the OP specifically lists splitters as part of their list of parts to split their 8 pin to dual 6+2.  And then Chris21010 goes on to let them know how to properly do exactly what you are trying to do by pointing them to the right thread, and then QuintLeo comes in to discuss a few things as well.  But maybe you just didn't see that as you didn't LOOK hard enough?  Sorry but we're really getting tired of people not reading the information that is already here and getting fed up with having to repeat ourselves, well at least I am.  We're here to help, but you have to at least help yourself, and all this information is sitting there on the first page without even having to search for it.
     
     

     

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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/20 03:38:04 (permalink)
    If you have the leads and they don't reach, fifty bit some cable extenders.


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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/20 05:04:34 (permalink)
    Splitters are not extensions and if you read my post it was initially about the safety of extensions and then later I asked about the use of the 6 + 6(2) cables that came with the PSU, not third party splitters.

    If the other posts that I READ FIRST met my needs/communicated them in the way I needed, I would have never posted my more pointed questions. You spent two long posts telling me I can’t read when a simply “yes, extensions are safe and what I would do/wouldn’t do” would have sufficed.

    So, per my original question, is it safe or recommended to use 6 pin 18 AGE extensions?
    post edited by hermes980 - 2018/02/20 05:19:53
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/20 12:29:27 (permalink)
    Power Splitters are Known to cause Graphics Card Failures.

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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/20 13:12:49 (permalink)
    Thank you. I am guessing the same would apply to extensions
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/20 14:19:10 (permalink)
    Extensions to existing cables should be fine. They don't add any connections so there would be no issues. I do recommend buying from a reputable source and not eBay and the like.
    Splitters which add connectors are bad as they can easily trigger your power supplies ocp (causing unexpected shutdown) or cause a fire if the words in the cables are too thin a gauge.

    Tldr: quality extensions are good. Splitters are always a bad day waiting to happen.


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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/20 14:23:33 (permalink)
    Thank you!!!! Do you have any extension brands you prefer?
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/20 15:33:45 (permalink)
    I bought one from Amazon made by Cable Matters. It extended my atx cable. But Silverstone (case maker) and cablemod make them as well.


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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/02/20 16:10:32 (permalink)
    Thank you. That is the exact one I was looking at
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/03/08 12:41:34 (permalink)
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    I did read them and none of them spoke to using the 6 +8(6+2) cable to power two risers


    Yes, you CAN do so - but it's a waste as risers can be SAFELY powered via MOLEX with no "extenders" needed.
    EVGA "perip/sata" ports will easily and safely handle ONE riser per port.
     
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812423198&ignorebbr=1 is my "go-to" riser, but there are lots of other options for MOLEX power to a riser.
     
    If you already have PCI-E powered risers, they can also be safely powered via an adapter from a MOLEX to the PCI-E 6-pin connector (one MOLEX is plenty, though 2 doesn't HURT if you already have "dual molex to PCI-E 6-pin" adapters on hand).
     

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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/03/09 19:46:20 (permalink)
    I went the route of 2 x 1000w G3's for six cards.  They provide enough PCI-E connectors for 3 cards and 2 risers with one molex cable powering the third riser.  Run around 700-800W each which is right at the 80% mark.  Both supplies are then plugged into a 20A circuit which is seeing about 1500W total draw.  I find that the EVGA 1080 Ti SC2 cards at 90% power draw around 224W.  Between them and the MSI 1080Ti Gaming X are the best cards for power and hash rate balance.


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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/03/16 09:37:13 (permalink)
    Basic rules for extensions: You have to understand only the minimal amount of electronic principal to understand the safe way to add an extension. Electricity, aka electrons, flows through the wire. The wire offers resistance to the electrons. Resistance creates heat. So if you want to add an extension, you need to make sure the wire gauge, aka thickness of the copper, offers the least amount of resistance. With that in mind, you need to use the same gauge or larger for your extension. (Larger gauge wire has a smaller number. 10 gauge is much larger than 20 gauge.) Also, keep with the shortest extension you can use. The length of the wire will also increase the resistance, but this should be negligible with such short extensions.
     
    Splitting the power between 2 loads is essentially creating a parallel circuit. By splitting the power, you create a situation where each branch is only receiving half of the current it is designed to receive, which will either suffocate the end devices for power or create an over current situation for the source. Either can result in an undesirable condition. Only use splitters if your power supply was designed for them.
     
    But why can I plug multiple things in my house plug?  These circuits are designed with parallel usage expected. That is why your plug (USA 120v) usually uses a 20 amp breaker. Many household items (other then motors) draw minimal amps. The circuits are usually designed for 80% utilization. This is why too many extension splitters can cause a fire.
     
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/03/16 17:50:06 (permalink)
    paragraph 2 is incorrect in that the power being split doesnt "half" like you suggest. the voltage on each end remains the same and current draw is not effected. what you do have to worry about here is that the splitter you attached may be just fine. but the cable you plugged it into may not be designed to carry 2x the load and in turn can burn up.


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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/03/16 18:45:15 (permalink)
    Yes, voltage stays the same on a parallel circuit. I said power, meaning amperage, is split. I guess I should have said current. This is simple Ohms law stuff. What I said is absolutely correct. If Source "a" provides lets say 3 amps, and it is designed for destination "b" which draws 2 amps, then plugging in 2 destination "b's" would result in both destinations being a half amp short or over taxing Source "a" causing it to try to produce more amperage then it is designed for. The only way you can safely split in my example is if each destination only draws 1 amp for a total of 2 amps which would still be below the 3 amps produced. Keep in mind that you need to maintain a margin of free amperage to compensate for inrush.
     
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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/03/17 07:57:46 (permalink)
    Again not quite, but close. Ohms law is I = V/R and what you are failing to see is that if voltage stays the same on parrallel circuits and the device you plug in has the same resistance then your current draw is also identical. Current is never limited entity and can go to infinity if allowed, ie a short circuit. Power though is something that will always be finite because power is I^2 * R and as I heads to infinity R must goes to 0.


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    Re: Power 6 GPUs and Risers without Adapters 2018/03/17 20:37:23 (permalink)
    Adding an equal parallel load, doubles the current draw at the source. This doesn't even take into account all the additional legs of the circuitry. If this 5 amp circuit is given an additional equal load, the current draw is split. This goes above the designed 5 amp circuit. As a higher current causes additional heat, it increases the resistance and causes a drop in voltage. This has the net effect of decreasing the amperage to each end device. I feel like I'm speaking a different language here. Are you trying to say that splitting and adding an additional load is safe? Because it is clearly not.
     
    Edit: Ok I went back and looked an my original post. It was misspoken, but the principal remains. Splitting is bad.
     

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