It’s now global-.- and it’s the miners moving in since China and S Korea are out of the game.

Xarzi
 
Ethash which is the ethereum algorithim runs better on AMD.

Ethereum is hot right now.

GTXJackBauer

wmmills
This is easily solved..... you limit the amount to be purchased by household address with the CC and bank accounts connected to that address to 4 tops. After a purchase has been made you cant purchase any gpu 1060/rx480 or above again for 90 days. Of course greed probably wont let this happen but it def doesn't have to be the problem that it is.

That will create a new market.  Get your neighbor, friend, stranger or a network of scalpers to purchase the GPUs for miners, etc.
 
SLI being thrown in the back burner is all starting to make sense now.  The one GPU per household policy, etc.  Gaming companies knew and were slow on the implementation as some titles still don't have SLI compatibility.  Do you blame them?  Nope.  Saving money if its not worth putting in the extra man power.

Yeah, I thought of that too but really, how many peoples neighbors/friends/strangers are going to let them use there credit card/bank account to purchase a 800.00 gpu, or more, and send it to there address? Even if they do and compensate them for being so nice, that cc card, bank account and address are shot for 90 days then. Plus its going to get pretty obvious if the store keeps seeing recurring charges going to the same street or small area of the same town in the same state etc... then your hit again. It def could slow down the stock being hit so hard and let regular people grab a card at least, and really that's the point. Of course people with means will figure there way around it, im sure, but its not that we don't know that, its that we introduce a monkey wrench in people buying car/plane/truck loads of cards at one time and wiping entire stocks etc.... to better distribute them a little more fairly for everyone, that's all.

Determined scalpers are always going to be hard to suppress. I'm just thankful the manufacturers arent jumping on the price hike bandwagon when the demand is obviously there. I should have gotten my 1080ti last year...

Newegg went from a great company to a Chinese owned amazon wannabe.  Allowing scalpers to price gouge.  If they put a stop on giving them all a platform, there were would be less of them and less avenues for them to price gouge.
 
I don't think I'll be purchasing majority of things like I used to on the egg.  I've actually purchased straight from Amazon, by amazon in the passed since their pricing was lower and shipping was faster.  I just don't like that one experience I had of their 3rd party uber style shippers who dropped half the packages out of her back seat and almost drove off when I realized she hadn't given me my premium PC363D headset.

I just sold all 8 of my 1080s for a 40% profit after they mined $5,500 worth of crypto.   BHphoto website said VEGA was going to show up in 1-3 days and i wanted to switch over to them -- but nope, never showed up.  Now it says feb 2, and with volta coming end of feb?  im stuck here twiddling my thumbs.  To those that think AMD is superior for mining its really not the case.  My 1080s were raking in $7-9 a day each... Only a vega could match that and without bios hacks and such would be using a lot more power.  Funny thing is, last year around this time i did the same thing.  I sold 8 RX480s that i paid $169 each for, and they fetched $325 each after mining thousands worth of crypto. 
 
If volta wasnt coming soon, id probably buy one of them titan xp collector editions to run my oculus Rift
 
 

The whole situation is out of control but other than limiting purchases as you mentioned I honestly don't know that much can be done. Even that is only a stop gap. It isn't reasonable to expect a production ramp up either as the manufacturers have been burned before when crypto took a dive. On the bright side I'm seriously considering selling the 1080ti I just bought and buying a Titan XP Star Wars to replace it if I can get enough for it. 

QuintLeo

asmodyus
 
So it's not just the scalpers anymore Newegg is now selling there cards for over 1k on whatever ones they are in stock now.

 No, it's NOT Newegg - except on the 1080 ti  Kingpins and the like that are NORMALLY close to that price and have been affected by memory price increases.
 
 Make sure you have the "sold by NewEgg" box checked BEFORE you call it "Newegg" - like Amazon, they have been allowing 3'd party sellers via their website for years now, *usually* in niches NewEgg itself doesn't want to sell into or has VERY limited selections.
 
 ALL of the retailers I have looked at this month have "limit 1" on their GPU sales for any "shortage" model - NVidia themselves are actually at a HIGHER limit than most retailers have been at, at 2 per customer.
 
 

I dunno why people keep telling it was not them I been bying from them forever I know how to seperate vendors from newegg. Yes it was them they had three in stock aorund the 17th all 3 were for sell around 1k they were not 3rd party, it even said sold and shipped by newegg. Now they might not be there anymore but they there. Here is one link  https://www.newegg.com/Pr...=jcq94fajta011rh100053  Normally sales for $779
https://www.newegg.com/Pr...=jcq96zf73a011rh100053  Normally sales for $879
 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125955&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6163686&SID=jcq99fmh7e011rh100053 according to now in stock this one sold by newegg for $949.99 on the 17th.
 
 
 

 

Drazhar

panzlock

QuintLeo
Blame AMD, not miners - if AMD would supply enough of THEIR GPUs to meet the demand, most miners would not CARE about NVidia cards.
 

Lol...What??? You're blaming AMD for miners buying Nvidia cards? So if the USA goes to war and petrol prices rise at Shell as a result, you'll blame Exxon?

I believe the implication was more that since AMD cards are superior for mining purposes, if they were in plentiful supply, the miners wouldn't be buying NVIDIA.

Mostly correct - the miners would be buying a LOT FEWER Nvidia cards, since most cards are mining Ethereum which is a lot more friendly to AMD cards (when they are at semi-sane pricing and available).
 

candle_86

kougar
Frys, Newegg, Amazon, Best Buy, they're all out. Just third party sellers left.
 
You know it's good when the local PC chain has raised prices on its remaining NVIDIA cards to match the eBay going rates. It's a scalpers market and will continue to be until either cryptomining crashes, or NVIDIA releases a massive surge in supply to break the feedback cycle. At this point I don't see either being likely scenarios. 

 
Or until Nvidia and AMD release a driver patch to block mining on the consumer cards forcing these people to buy professional level cards. These scum hurt gamers and the gaming industry, if we can't afford a fast enough gpu we wont buy a game that we cant handle
 

 AMD has ZERO interest in cutting their own throat - the only way to do this would be to disable OpenCL entirely, which would shaft a TON of folks that don't mine.
 Nvidia is mostly getting hit because AMD can't keep up with mining demand - and if you don't think Nvidia is profiting from the extra sales, try looking at their recent financial results AND forcasts for the last year and change.
 The "professional level" cards tend to be overpriced JUNK anyway - 3-4 times the cost for the SAME gpu with an INFERIOR cooling setup and usually INFERIOR ram, and in extremely short supply because there is almost no demand for them so almost no production of them.
 Even "professionals" tend to ignore the "professional" cards because they are such a horrible ripoff.
 
 There will be some serious relief to the issue when Ethereum goes to "Proof of Stake", at which point it won't be mineable at all, all of the MILLIONS of cards currently mining it will either look for new homes on other coins crashing THEIR profitability, and most or all of the "get rich quick" types will get out of mining entirely freeing up a large supply of cards (and probably creating a major GLUT on the AMD side for a while).
 Current estimate is "late this year" on that, and that's presuming cryptocoin pricing doesn't collapse or at least drop a LOT before that.
 
Even if AMD and Nvidia COULD get enough fab capacity to build enough GPUs to supply the current demand, they probably would not do so because they want to reduce the impact of that GLUT of used cards on their FUTURE bottom line.
 

The current shortage on the Nvidia side is NOT miner caused - the numbers just don't add up, as I've explained in a few other threads now.
The shortage THIS SPRING appears to have been mining related - a LOT more cards were getting sold to miners based on the huge amount of hashrate that was getting added to the network totals for all of the large-GPU-count coins like Ethereum - but that is NOT the case the last couple months.
 
 The CURRENT shortage also started a bit more than a week SOONER on the NVidia side than on the AMD side - a miner-caused shortage would have started on the AMD side as the majority of GPUs used in mining are AMD.
 
 The CURRENT shortage appears to have been caused by a combination effect:
 
 1) Nvidia had a VERY good "Christmas 2017" sales season, as did AMD on both GPUs and CPUs and Intel did as well.
 2) Gamers in particular bought a LOT of systems in 2017, indicated by both AMD higher-end Ryzen and Intel higher-end CPUs selling VERY VERY WELL in 2017.
 3) Per an October comment by TSMC in one of their "forcasts", they anticipated ramping down Pascal production in favor of Volta production "around the end of the year" - indicating that SUPPLY of the current Nvidia GPUs has been dropping for a month or more due to lower production of the GPU chips.
 
 2017 in general was a very good year for PC sales, far better than anyone seems to have predicted - the concensus the last 2-3 years has been "slowly dying PC sales as folks move to newer platforms", but 2017 may have been the best PC sales year since before the "Great Recession".
 
OMG!
I just realized!
It's TRUMPS'S FAULT - the optimism he's generated about the economy and the tax cuts he championed have people and businesses willing to SPEND MORE than in the last few years!
 
8-)
 

Nvidia Cards unavailable for the next three months - as fabs switch over to manufacturing Volta

 
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