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2017/11/26 19:51:44 (permalink)
 
Is version 1709 the latest version? Is this the version people are having problems with, like on restarts, driver problems, etc.? Does the build version stay the same on 1709, or will it update itself to another build?
 
Since the latest update I've had problems on start up, and I have a couple problems with my Creative sound drivers, even after reinstall.
I hope they get another update soon, and I hope it works out better. The last update before this one was great. No problems at all. Had fixed my YouTube search problem, but unfortunately the problem has come back after this latest update.      :(

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/11/26 20:22:50 (permalink)
    Yes.... 

    I think MS plans 2 to 3 Versions per year going forward 

    Windows 10 release information (excerpt from link) 
     
     
     (edit) Missed this info in my first reply:  Currently --> Version 1709  Build 16299.64 available November 14, 2017

     
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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/11/26 20:25:09 (permalink)
     
    Thanks Coolgtx for the graph info. The 1709 they recommend, I certainly don't. LOL.      :P

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/11/26 20:27:31 (permalink)
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4018124/windows-10-update-history
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    "Windows 10 is a service, which means it gets better through periodic software updates." 
     
     




     
     
     
     

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/11/26 20:41:06 (permalink)
     
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    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4018124/windows-10-update-history
    (excerpt)
    "Windows 10 is a service, which means it gets better through periodic software updates." 
     



    LOL. You know, the first little while I installed Win 10 it was working fine. Then all these junk updates messed it up. Should get better, not worse. Should improve, not decline in Tech dumbery.  (<-- Made up word).      

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/11/26 23:58:06 (permalink)
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    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4018124/windows-10-update-history
    (excerpt)
    "Windows 10 is a service, which means it gets better through periodic software updates." 
     



    LOL. You know, the first little while I installed Win 10 it was working fine. Then all these junk updates messed it up. Should get better, not worse. Should improve, not decline in Tech dumbery.  (<-- Made up word).      




    Seems like they do a major update every year with two other updates to fix the things they broke just so they can break new things with a major update a few months later.

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/11/27 20:02:51 (permalink)
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    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4018124/windows-10-update-history
    (excerpt)
    "Windows 10 is a service, which means it gets better through periodic software updates." 
     



    LOL. You know, the first little while I installed Win 10 it was working fine. Then all these junk updates messed it up. Should get better, not worse. Should improve, not decline in Tech dumbery.  (<-- Made up word).      




    Seems like they do a major update every year with two other updates to fix the things they broke just so they can break new things with a major update a few months later.




    Sounds about right. LOL.    

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/01 13:19:46 (permalink)
    The last update 1709 caused problems with windows search for me. Intermittently, I would power on my computer, or just restart, and my start menu/button would not work, the search and taskbar would not work, and files and settings menus would take a long time to start. I would have to log out and back in to fix the problem, a restart or shutdown would not work. After looking through event viewer I noticed some errors with windows search. I disabled windows search in the services menu and the problem is completely gone. I really do not need windows search because all my drives are SSD's.  
     
    EDIT: Windows 10 really has been the worst Windows version since the mess Vista. At this point, I am not sure which one is worse... 
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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/12 22:22:01 (permalink)
     
    New updates are available. Uh oh.     :/

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/13 20:52:45 (permalink)
     
    Updates went smooth. Nothing new broken.      =)

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/14 11:01:02 (permalink)
    So once or twice a year we will have to reinstall a new ver of win10? That's crazy.
    With all the GPU driver issues, I am really thinking of putting all my systems back to win7 or Mint Linux.
    I waited a long time to go to 10 so they get the bugs out. But a new OS, even once a year is too much.
    It makes no sense, just more work for people with several computers. Sorry I went to W10 on as many as I did.
     

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/14 12:24:19 (permalink)
    Sometimes when Microsoft has an update (not a security update) the Microsoft video drivers and Microsoft sound drivers are installed. Ideally this shouldn't happen but it does. So after a massive update reinstall your NVIDIA and Creative sound drivers to overwrite what Microsoft decides to use.

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/14 13:10:15 (permalink)
    But it is not always as easy as just running the Nvidia installer.
    You have to rollback the driver and then use the MS program to hide the update and then pray the driver installs right.
    MS should leave the drivers alone if they can't figure out how to install the whole package so it does not bork folding and BOINC
     

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/16 04:49:03 (permalink)
    This version of Windows completely destroyed sound in my computer.
    Now I use Onboard Sound and Sonic Studio to listen 5.1 until I back to previous version of Windows.
    Many people complain because MS change something serious about sound.

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/16 15:27:25 (permalink)
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    This version of Windows completely destroyed sound in my computer.
    Now I use Onboard Sound and Sonic Studio to listen 5.1 until I back to previous version of Windows.
    Many people complain because MS change something serious about sound.




    It had messed with my Creative drivers. I managed to fix it by reinstalling, messing with the Windows, and Creative settings. Wasn't easy. Finagle this, and tweak that.       :(

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/16 23:27:00 (permalink)
    Screwed up my sound as well. Essentially the same sound problems I got back initially in 1703 (Original creators update). Sound sounded kinda wacky and off, hard to describe... almost like the bass was mushed together.
    Decided to try out the Fall Creators update and its around the same thing. Tried updating my Realtek audio drivers and my chipset drivers, didn't fix it.

    I'm really confused as to why this problem has been present for 8+ months, but there hasn't been a solid fix that really works.

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/17 03:54:40 (permalink)
    I didn't had problems with 1703.
    But if I reinstall Windows I will stay with 1503.

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/27 13:23:56 (permalink)
    Wooohah
    Screwed up my sound as well. Essentially the same sound problems I got back initially in 1703 (Original creators update). Sound sounded kinda wacky and off, hard to describe... almost like the bass was mushed together.
    Decided to try out the Fall Creators update and its around the same thing. Tried updating my Realtek audio drivers and my chipset drivers, didn't fix it.

    I'm really confused as to why this problem has been present for 8+ months, but there hasn't been a solid fix that really works.


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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/27 13:25:36 (permalink)
    1709 causes an issue with Creative usb sound cards where if the sound card is plugged in/enabled when Windows starts, it will cause issues with the start menu not working. 
     
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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/27 16:17:02 (permalink)
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    1709 causes an issue with Creative usb sound cards where if the sound card is plugged in/enabled when Windows starts, it will cause issues with the start menu not working. 
     




    Pretty sad stuff.

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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/28 05:53:13 (permalink)
    I must say there is very good chance that Sound Blaster ZxR and many other cards, people report even Xonar from ASUS or even onboard will not work normal with Windows 10 and that manufacturers will concetrate to advice people to buy new hardware launch after Windows 10 show up.
    It's confirmed that something big is changed and old software not respond well.
    This will influence even worse on market of dedicate sound cards.
    My advice for all people who have money is to get rid of anything with software if they want nice sound.
    You need Hi-Fi equipment, amplifiers, dac, and at least 2+1 speakers. Left-Right-Central.
     
    This cards from ASUS and Creative are toys, and again they can't optimize to work well and charge them 200$.
    Sound depend from driver can't be normal. For price of one high end GPU you can get NAD D3020 and one extremely quality central speakers. Few hundreds more investment and you have nice sound quality.
    They had problems to sell PCI-E sound cards and before, now when customers figure out that one OS Update could kill your investment they will sell them even harder. 
    Because of that Creative prepared AE-5, sound card with lower price, and they will advertise people switch from better hardware because optimization. ASUS is lost completely as well. People wait drivers months, half of year.
     
    On Creative forum advice me to check some options and give me link to try something... Honestly, I take a look I saw mess, few pages of chaos and complains and I couldn'r read at all because I know that there is very small chance that something will change until serious driver change. They advice to disable High Precision Timer in BIOS. Such option I think not exist in my BIOS, maybe is possible through Windows cmd promt, but I will take a look these days. I doubt that will fix. Revert on previous Windows 10 basic is not solution, how much until we need to update because something, I don;'t need fix for next 3 months, I want fix for future. 
     
    I think that people deserve official statement from Creative, ASUS, Microsoft if they can't fix problem people should know that. Sound is always important for me as graphic, as picture or monitor but I must say after Windows 10 sound from my sound card is useless, it's worse than low and motherboard onboard audio because channels mix and that;s like you tune volume and switch from stereo to 5.1 every minute or two. Only chance to aviod that is to remove all drivers from Creative and allow MS to install Creative Audio Controller and his drivers, than you have some sound on onboard audio from 250$ worth hardware. 
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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/28 06:02:01 (permalink)
    It would be very usefull to all people who have problems with Microsoft in future use strictly pirate copies of Office Outlook, Windows, anything from Microsfot. If only 5% change they will be forced to do something if only 5% of their customers weho pay them for software start to use pirate copies because they have problems.
    They can't you do anything, there is Cracks updates 100% times more faster than Windows Updates and work completely normal. That mean anything in future from Microsoft no single dollar and use pirate copies if you had some problem and duty of MS is to fix and he don't do that.
    Only one single pressure on button and Windows is activated and not detectable by any antivirus, antimalware or Windows Defender. Use their original basic copy and Windows Activators if you have problems with sound after 1709.
     
    You could disable Win Update freely. There is always OS copies with preinstalled new updates after any serious update and when you install OS you install and them together and Activate OS, restart and you have serial number. Windows is Activated.
    When I think that I felt bad and hurry to buy serial for 20-30 euro to increase profit of insanely rich coorporation and they feel normal because my sound not work after their Update.
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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2017/12/28 09:56:31 (permalink)
    What the hell are you trying to say?
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    Re: Windows version 1709 questions. 2018/01/03 20:52:02 (permalink)
     
    New Year 2018 update for 1709 waiting for PC restart. Well here goes nothing.   
     
     
     
    EDIT: So shortly after update starts, it say's it's have some kind of problem installing. It will try again. It tried again, and was successful. LOL.
     
     
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