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I am new to the custom build high end desktop game, but since I joined I fall in love with the design, build/component quality from the Kingpin cards, hell the design choice I most like from it and is unique is its true single slot rear bracket option, cause why should I occupy two slots of the rear i/o if I have a single slot card (provided you water cool it and you should anyways). I liked to tweak, overclock and push my hardware, and I have been water cooling my rig from the beginning so I can extract a bit more from it or at least extend its live span keeping the temps lower and at a lower noise level. The only thing I dislike from the Kingpin card is that it is sold air cooled only, and having to take it apart and store that awesome and expensive cooler in a drawer to use a water cooler block hurts me. So my only suggestion to this otherwise incredible card is, sell a Hydro Copper version of it. You could even make them 2 BIOSes instead of three (OC and LN2). So what do you other fellow EVGA/K|NGP|N fans think. Cheers EDIT: Make it a sexy clear acrylic block so we can see through and stare at that gorgeous board design and our coolant of choice, and also to differentiate it from other hydro copper blocks.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/20 11:41:21
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Yes, probably. I don't understand why they even sell the card with a heatsink on it. All of the Kingpin cards should come with either a waterblock at the minimum, or no cooler at all, in my opinion.
How about an option to buy it with a LN2 pot? A LN2 pot matches its intended purpose much better and would keep the riffraff away. Selling it with a waterblock at worst (instead of a crappy air cooler) would be a good start for keeping the riffraff away.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/20 13:12:26
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Yes, probably. I don't understand why they even sell the card with a heatsink on it. All of the Kingpin cards should come with either a waterblock at the minimum, or no cooler at all, in my opinion.
How about an option to buy it with a LN2 pot? A LN2 pot matches its intended purpose much better and would keep the riffraff away. Selling it with a waterblock at worst (instead of a crappy air cooler) would be a good start for keeping the riffraff away.
because you would take a limited card and cut the market in half for, not everyone just does benchmarks and overclocking, some buy it because it is the best and looks good also. i for one would never buy a nekked card.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/20 13:28:23
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A limited card deserves a limited market. The thing is $1000 after all....
It's better to make the card only attractive to the people who really want it in order to use it the way it was meant to be used; rather than have it sold out due to attracting the wrong audience and then have that wrong audience complaining weeks later about how much they spent for the card to perform lackluster on air cooling. Kick that air cooling to the curb. :)
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/20 13:59:10
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Should be build-to-order: You could choose between air cooled, AIO, naked card & waterblock installed.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/20 19:40:39
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nanias, I Added the Poll feature (toggle poll) for you 
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/20 20:21:23
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nanias, I Added the Poll feature (toggle poll) for you
Thanks man I really appreciate it.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/20 20:22:46
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Should be build-to-order: You could choose between air cooled, AIO, naked card & waterblock installed.
It is a solution... The only thing is costs could go up... or not?
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/20 20:25:30
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A limited card deserves a limited market. The thing is $1000 after all....
It's better to make the card only attractive to the people who really want it in order to use it the way it was meant to be used; rather than have it sold out due to attracting the wrong audience and then have that wrong audience complaining weeks later about how much they spent for the card to perform lackluster on air cooling. Kick that air cooling to the curb. :)
I don't completely disagree, but I think it is a too radical of a solution... but yes it is built with high performance cooling in mind and water is the first step in the area. Maybe sell an air block to those folks who don't want to go all in.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/21 00:56:28
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Should be build-to-order: You could choose between air cooled, AIO, naked card & waterblock installed.
+1
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/21 04:51:32
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Should be build-to-order: You could choose between air cooled, AIO, naked card & waterblock installed.
+1
+2. If I were to get a KP card, I would love mine to be on a Hybrid config.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/23 11:31:31
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If I were to add a waterblock to a Kingpin, the costs would be almost the same as a full Pascal Titan Xp. I'd go with the latter. I'm only saying this to those that want the best that won't be under LN2. It's only logical imo but anyone can do as they may with their funds.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/23 13:06:19
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If I were to add a waterblock to a Kingpin, the costs would be almost the same as a full Pascal Titan Xp. I'd go with the latter. I'm only saying this to those that want the best that won't be under LN2. It's only logical imo but anyone can do as they may with their funds.
Yeah cost wise buying the block extra yes, and that is the point of the thread... Request EVGA to make a hydro copper version to choose from that way we don't have to pay extra for the water block and store the air block that we bought with the card elsewhere. I myself went for the former, because components, design and well single rear bracket, I also don't think the titan xp will outperform the 1080ti kpe considerably if even in games from what I have seen. Thanks for your opinion. Cheers
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/23 13:19:05
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If the K|ngp|n came with a block installed, it would typically costs $20 less than a Titan Xp. Without the block being installed, and with the elite member discount, it would cost the same as a Titan Xp. Without the elite member discount, it would cost more than the Titan Xp. Seeing how paying 999 actually gets you higher benchmark scores while having lower overall clocks on the rest of the entire system (except gpu vram) I don’t see why people shouldnt go out and burn their money so they can show that you can actually pay to win with GPU’s. Slap a waterblock on a K|ngp|n and you can probably run into and Nvidia stock clocks and get better scores than any other gpu available.  @Sajin, if you are looking... yes, I am salty that with everything but cram lower, your kingpin somehow scores significantly higher scores. ;-) pay to win.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/23 13:20:17
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K|NGP|N models become far better with waterblock.
First money I will invest in custom loop. I mean when something is not more important, now I have GPU and M.2 more important.
I could buy 1TB M.2 and custom loop but now GPU upgrade... I don't want that.
I think in future there will be more models with waterblock, full cover or something like ASUS Poseidon because more people will invest in custom loop and they will choose graphic cards with options to connect easy in custom loop without significant price difference. Now waterblock could cost even 150 euro more + custom GPU model and small number of people buy them.
If GPU with fabric waterblock cost 50-60$ over custom model than people will choose them and save money. Don't need to be fancy full cover EKWB waterblock. Poseidon finish job perfectly. Market need more similar options.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/25 11:29:44
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The present 1080Ti Hydro's come equipped with full cover blocks. I've been custom water cooling for some time now and primarily stuck with EK for my blocks. I was surprised to be told that EVGA is producing their own blocks now and being an owner of one I think the EVGA block is every bit as efficient as an EK. It looks very nice also :)
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/26 15:05:34
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The present 1080Ti Hydro's come equipped with full cover blocks. I've been custom water cooling for some time now and primarily stuck with EK for my blocks. I was surprised to be told that EVGA is producing their own blocks now and being an owner of one I think the EVGA block is every bit as efficient as an EK. It looks very nice also :)
There is a review of the 1080 Hydro copper, same block design as the Ti that showed it performing poorly against competitors.
Pros:
- Very user-friendly installation
- Integrated lighting that is powered and controlled via the LED header on the PCB itself
- Good build quality
- The six port I/O manifold is very functional in practice, coupled with the low-profile stop plugs
- Compatible with the NVIDIA Founders Edition backplate and EVGA ACX backplate
Cons:
- Very expensive relative to the competition
- Older design scheme of coolant flow results in relatively poor liquid flow restriction
- Relatively poor GPU core and VRM thermal performance
One of the main reason why I didn't purchase a Hydro Copper GPU this year was because I kept asking EVGA for more info on the WBs and got no info in return. It's a no name block and don't know who designs it and where it's coming from, etc.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/26 21:14:55
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/27 04:10:02
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One of the main reason why I didn't purchase a Hydro Copper GPU this year was because I kept asking EVGA for more info on the WBs and got no info in return. It's a no name block and don't know who designs it and where it's coming from, etc.
Well it is the only option available right now for KPE cards, also EK has said they don't plan to make a block for it (maybe even EVGA's request)... Also it is a nickel plated copper block which should have no problems with other loop components.... About performance I can't imagine it being bad, yeah maybe not as optimal as an EK block but I guess it will do its job pretty good, and if it doesn't then you either live with it or take the gpu from the loop and return the water block for a refund. I might do a review when I assemble mine, if someone has it and could share the impressions that would be nice. Cheers
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/30 12:02:25
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Counterpoint-- two years from now you go to sell your KPE but find it difficult to offload it without an air cooler. Not everyone has a water cooled rig.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/10/30 12:06:33
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GtxJackBauer, I am pretty sure hydrocopper blocks are now made by EVGA in house. I am pretty sure they perform extremely close to every single other manufacturer out there.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/11/26 21:49:41
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I see EVGA has released the Kingpin in hydro copper form as a factory installed option. This is great as i was hoping they would but i am having a hard time figuring out their math. I guess $999.99 (air cooled card) + $219.99 (hydro copper block) = $1249.99 ?????? It's not as if they have to do extra labor as they would either install the water block or the copper air cooler. Not only does the price go up but you don't even get the air cooler at this price. Am i missing something here? They do this on no other card where the hydro copper option is available installed from factory. I have been waiting for the X299 Dark so I figured I would wait to see if they release the kingpin in hydro copper form before I placed an order for it and just wasted that beautiful copper fan cooler. I was expecting to pay more than the $999.99 for the hyrdocopper card but not at that premium. Now both the air cooled card and the individual hydro copper block are "out of stock" so i cant even buy it individually. Feeling a bit like I got kicked. Now in the end I will still buy this card and the new X299 Dark when it is released as I love EVGA products and the 3-4 times that i had to contact customer support, 8 years ago when i first got into this, they were great. This just makes feel like I'm buying a new car. I may be a sheep and i'm OK with you sheering me but please don't skin me. Rant over.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/11/27 00:01:16
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^ Yeah it doesn't make sense to buy the hydro copper version. Cheaper to buy them individually and still have an air cooler backup.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/11/27 13:54:19
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I see EVGA has released the Kingpin in hydro copper form as a factory installed option. This is great as i was hoping they would but i am having a hard time figuring out their math. I guess $999.99 (air cooled card) + $219.99 (hydro copper block) = $1249.99 ?????? It's not as if they have to do extra labor as they would either install the water block or the copper air cooler. Not only does the price go up but you don't even get the air cooler at this price. Am i missing something here? They do this on no other card where the hydro copper option is available installed from factory. I have been waiting for the X299 Dark so I figured I would wait to see if they release the kingpin in hydro copper form before I placed an order for it and just wasted that beautiful copper fan cooler. I was expecting to pay more than the $999.99 for the hyrdocopper card but not at that premium. Now both the air cooled card and the individual hydro copper block are "out of stock" so i cant even buy it individually. Feeling a bit like I got kicked. Now in the end I will still buy this card and the new X299 Dark when it is released as I love EVGA products and the 3-4 times that i had to contact customer support, 8 years ago when i first got into this, they were great. This just makes feel like I'm buying a new car. I may be a sheep and i'm OK with you sheering me but please don't skin me. Rant over.
I totally agree with you and I created a new post about this. EVGA should re-adjust their pricing on the water blocked version since it doesn't come with the copper block. I'd probably lean towards the air cooled version and get the water block separate since if down the road like in 3 years I want to upgrade to a newer card, it will be easier to sell an air cooled card then a permanent water cooled blocked card.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/11/27 15:16:31
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Who makes this blocks I hope not EK  their stuff don't last long and is made out of cheep material
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/11/27 15:21:41
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Awk, where do you get that the leader in the watercooling industry uses cheap material and it doesn't last long? Are you looking at an incident from 2012? Because there hasn't been any big issues in many years, so I am very curious where that comes from.
Also, EVGA makes the block. They contract a company to make it to their specs.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/11/27 15:46:28
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leader in what? in quality or quantity there is a big difference. Leaders are brands that take their time to make their blocks ..starting with threads and going upwards to the materiel their use and trust me, EK is far to be in leading list. For starters, their plaxi is so soft, you can latterly cut with knife and threads, the same thing, you have to be careful how you thread your fittings or you strip them with eaz. You want quality? Aquacomputer, Watercool, and some of the Bitspower products, that's a quality  Where all this coming from? no, not from back days when they had so aperantly QC issue but from my own experience and my Nephews recent experience. He got this : https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-supremacy-evo-nickel.2 days after install, plexi cracked right in the center..pfhhhh, nothing has changed with their quality, the same as have always been and I had my own issues with their GPU blocks..sorry the quality is just not there. The only reason they might be popular because they jump the gun first to make their blocks, so they make more profit before other brands start producing, but other brands actually care about their quality and taking their time. Keep in mind this is my view on EK 
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/11/27 16:14:26
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Having one bad experience is one thing, but I have yet to see them rush a block out.
I have had the same plexi top block for going on 2 years, and have never had an issue, but I do have a ton of bitspower products that no other fittings will work with. I have had issues with every product I have purchased to be honest, I don't discriminate at all. i returned a ton of bitspower tubing because it was over .5mm smaller than it stated, and caused a ton of leaks. I returned a ton of fittings from a company that I don't even like muttering their name any more, because every fitting they sold leaked, and then I bought the EK ones.. No fitment issues, no issues with the tubes..
It is all perspective in the end. I will admit the EK plexi terminals are trash and have caused numerous issues, so I refuse to touch them now.
Anyway, back to the 1080ti KPE Waterblock.. in house from EVGA now.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2017/11/27 16:29:25
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I don't think its necessary really.People who buy that card are most likely going to take it apart to reTIM, lap, change pads right outta the box anyway, plus they might already have a block they are gonna use anyway and if its ln2 its going to get even more work done to it. So why have people pay so much extra for a block they most likely wont use, mainly because of where this is marketed?! Id say maybe a naked card but even that I cant recommend because if you want to do a quick test to make sure the card is good right from the box the last thing you want to do is all that setup work to find out it may have a issue, as rare as that might be.
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Re: Factory water cooled K|NGP|N
2018/10/28 17:12:34
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