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My x58 E758 system (system specs in my signature) has been flawless up to about a week ago when I started experiencing various problems ranging from ICH10 family USB universal host controller and ATA/SATA controller device errors along with periodic system crashes, Internet dropouts, etc.
My CPU and GPU temps have all been normal. And all memory tests passed.
Because the problems are varied my gut feeling is the mobo may be dying - BUT - I'm still running with the original CMOS battery and my question is, could the random and varied system problems I'm experiencing be caused by a weak/failing battery??
Just remembered to add, I'm running the last available BIOS update for my mobo...
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 14:27:16
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Do you have to enter BIOS on startup and reenter your settings ? Any issues noted by yellow circle in Device Manager ? Could always boot into safe mode & log in, to see if Windows 7 sorts itself out, then reboot normally 
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 14:34:15
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Do you have to enter BIOS on startup and reenter your settings ?
Any issues noted by yellow circle in Device Manager ?
Could always boot into safe mode & log in, to see if Windows 7 sorts itself out, then reboot normally
Thanks for the reply. No, none of the random problems required re-entering my BIOS settings. Yes, on the device manager yellow indicators for the USB host and ATA/SATA controllers. Yes, I've tried safe mode then rebooting normally. ***I apologize for forgetting to update my specs to Windows 10 upgrade from W7 which I'm running now.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 15:23:42
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A dead CMOS battery would result in your system forgetting the BIOS settings on every cold boot. I don't think that's your issue.
If it were me, I'd assume the chipset just needs a bit more oomph and look at the following BIOS settings one at a time, in this order:
ICH Voltage - try upping the voltage a tenth of volt, maybe a bit more
PCI bus speed - set it at 100MHz if it isn't already. (you could try looking for a sweet spot between 98 to 102 MHz, but try the next step first, since some SSDs can get corrupted with higher PCI bus speed)
IOH/ICH I/O voltage -try bumping this up a bit as well
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 15:37:05
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I'm still running with the original CMOS battery and my question is, could the random and varied system problems I'm experiencing be caused by a weak/failing battery??
Doubt it. Run your ram at 1066 mhz with your cpu set back to stock to see if your problems go away.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 17:40:59
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I'm still running with the original CMOS battery and my question is, could the random and varied system problems I'm experiencing be caused by a weak/failing battery??
Doubt it. Run your ram at 1066 mhz with your cpu set back to stock to see if your problems go away.
Did that. Resetting the cpu to the default/stock i7-930 2.8 GHz, 133 host frequency with a 21 multiplier and memory 1600 (2:12) was the first thing I did. Didn't make any difference with the random device error issues. I also ran RealTemp while trying to work my way through the sudden onset of random device errors, with all CPU core temps in the 56c -58c range, well below the Intel stated max of 72c for the i7-930. I also removed my long outdated SB XtremeGamer Fatality Pro sound card running with a 3rd party driver package to eliminate it as a potential problem source and reverted to on board sound - no effect. Repeating, this x58 system has been stable/zero problems oc'd to 3.6 GHz for 7 years. Just to mention I purposely did NOT overclock the cpu for the 1st 6 months after my build to make sure the total system was stable.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 17:45:12
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Running your ram at 1600 mhz is still pushing the integrated memory controller harder than it's designed to run at. The imc is rated at only 800/1066 mhz on the 930.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 20:06:26
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Running your ram at 1600 mhz is still pushing the integrated memory controller harder than it's designed to run at. The imc is rated at only 800/1066 mhz on the 930.
I bought and installed G-Skill 1600 RAM based on Evga's RAM specs for the x58 mobo... X58 Series Motherboard (DDR3, Tri-Channel) DDR3-2000 ** DDR3-1600 ** - Corsair CM3X1G1600C8D4 1GB
- Corsair TR3X3G1600C8D (3x1GB)
- Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D 2GB
- Elixir M2F1G64CB88A4N-DG 1GB
- Elixir M2F2G64CB8HA4N-DG 2GB
- G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-2GBNQ 1GB
- G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBPI 2GB
- G.SKILL F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL 4GB (I have had 3 sticks of this in my system since February 2013)
I've not had problems with the RAM pushed to 1600 with the i7 930 oc'd to 3.6 GHz since that time. But, at your suggestion, I'll drop the memory ratio to 2:8 to bring the mem target to 1067 and see if the random problems disappear. Just a comment, I've run the RAM as close to 1600 as I could get oc'd to 3.6 GHz (actual mem target has been 1522 with the multiplier to get to the 3.6 GHz overclock)...
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 20:26:16
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The southbridge/ICH is likely the culprit, all your symptoms are connected there. Hopefully my suggestions above will help you dial it in and be enough to keep it stable for a couple more years.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 20:37:58
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The southbridge/ICH is likely the culprit, all your symptoms are connected there. Hopefully my suggestions above will help you dial it in and be enough to keep it stable for a couple more years.
Sorry about not replying to your post (and thank you). Your suggestion would be new territory for me. I've just stuck with a basic overclock via the multiplier, buss speed and memory ratio. Again, the overclock values I've posted have proved stable w/o issues for 7 years up until the past week or so. But, if the problems continue at the mod's suggested 1067 memory setting I'll jump into the deep end (for me...) and try your voltage bump suggestions.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 22:21:12
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Well, so much for running the i7 930 at the stock 2.8 GHz cpu speed with 1067 RAM setting. Was playing doom for over an hour when the FPS dropped suddenly into the low 30's and then just froze up. Then up popped ye ol' W10 blue screen with the "Machine Check Exception" problem error ... meaning any number of causes.
I dunno', maybe it's time to just retire this long time faithful rig that's apparently crumbling from age and move up to a new system. Just too many different problems cropping up ... in effect just chasing my tail trying to find and fix problems one after another.....
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 22:32:17
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Leave cpu @ stock with ram at 1066, and start raising your qpi, vtt & vcore up in small amounts until the errors go away.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 22:38:09
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Leave cpu @ stock with ram at 1066, and start raising your qpi, vtt & vcore up in small amounts until the errors go away.
Have never ventured down the qpi, vtt and vcore voltage change road before ... out of my knowledge/comfort range. Could you give me some definition of "small amounts" please...
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 22:42:51
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Max allowed voltages as long as the cpu is cool... Vcore: 1.4v QPI/VTT: 1.35v IOH: 1.25v ICH: 1.25v Bump the voltages in increments of 0.02 or 0.05. Note: Machine Check Exception usually means you need to bump your qpi/vtt voltage, but it can also mean you need to bump vcore as well.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/04 23:08:32
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Max allowed voltages as long as the cpu is cool...
Vcore: 1.4v
QPI/VTT: 1.35v
IOH: 1.25v
ICH: 1.25v
Bump the voltages in increments of 0.02 or 0.05.
Note: Machine Check Exception usually means you need to bump your qpi/vtt voltage, but it can also mean you need to bump vcore as well.
Knowing the max voltages is a big help (thank you). When I went back into the BIOS just now and checked the voltage settings I had forgot I'd bumped them up way back when with my initial overclock attempt with help from this forum. Point being, I have been running with these voltages: Vcore: 1.275 Vtt: 200 mv QPI: Auto The IOH and ICH are set to Auto. I changed my Vcore and Vtt to 'Auto" and will see if running at the default settings along with the cpu and memory at 1067 has any effect...
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 00:13:10
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If it were me I would set everything manually, even ram timings.
You can try relaxing the ram timings , looks like 9- 9 -9- 27 2 Try 10 - 9- 9 27 2
Vcore to 1.33 with it set to no vdroop
Vtt: 250
IOH 1.2
Ich 1.2
Ram up to .10 over what it is rated for, no more than 1.65v
Keep an eye on the temps.
You can test the ram one stick at a time with memtest, see if one of them is going bad
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 01:41:23
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Keep in mind the base default VVT setting on the older boards is 1.1v So +250mv is 1.35v
The newer boards like the Classified, Classified3, FTW3 SLI3 (maybe others) is 1.2mv So +150mv would be 1.35v
Always check the voltages after a change.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 12:31:46
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Point of information - With my case open, at idle my BIOS pc health stats show the NB running at 62c and CPU at 26c. The top of the NB housing was not even warm.
This said, after trying the "auto" voltage settings then firing up doom for a test run ... my fps was in the 20's and then locked up.
Re-establishing my previous vtt and vcore voltages at 200mv and 1.275v respectively and no overclock with RAM at 1067 the results were the same - immediate low fps (20's), stuttering mouse movement and then lockup.
Then only setting I didn't change was changing Vdroop to off ... had been running with Vdroop since day one ...
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 13:25:46
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I would give the ram a good testing with memtest one stick at a time.
Bump the voltages mentioned, it may fix the problem. We would not tell you to do something bad.
At this point, what do you have to lose? It is not working right as it is now.
If after you test the memory and bump the voltages, if it still does not work, may want to test another GPU. ( A friends maybe?)
Or use your GPU in another system. ( A Friends maybe?)
Maybe test the PSU too if you can...
Maybe run some torture tests on the CPU and see if it locks up.
Then run torture tests on the GPU and see...
Have an extra hard drive and install windows and your game with just updates and see, eliminate a software issue.
Windows works 30 days without activation, it is on the MB anyway
Maybe the CPU degraded being OC for years. 920 CPUs are a dime a dozen on Ebay if you want to try another CPU
Good luck, hope you figure it out.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 13:35:31
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Another thing to try is pull and reinstall every connection on the board a couple times.
The GPU, every stick of ram, all the power plugs and every cable to everything.
The gold connectors get tarnished and reseating the connections can make the connection better.
Remove any USP devices not needed, like backup drives....
Heck even swap the keyboard/mouse. I had a bad USB keyboard that acted up in very strange ways.
It caused freezes, reboots and drove me nuts. Was the last thing I would of suspected.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 13:57:51
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Another thing to try is pull and reinstall every connection on the board a couple times.
The GPU, every stick of ram, all the power plugs and every cable to everything.
The gold connectors get tarnished and reseating the connections can make the connection better.
Remove any USP devices not needed, like backup drives....
Heck even swap the keyboard/mouse. I had a bad USB keyboard that acted up in very strange ways.
It caused freezes, reboots and drove me nuts. Was the last thing I would of suspected.
Thanks for the reply! Yup, was the first thing I did (been there before..)
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 14:11:23
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If it were me I would set everything manually, even ram timings.
You can try relaxing the ram timings , looks like 9- 9 -9- 27 2 Try 10 - 9- 9 27 2
Vcore to 1.33 with it set to no vdroop
Vtt: 250
IOH 1.2
Ich 1.2
Ram up to .10 over what it is rated for, no more than 1.65v
Keep an eye on the temps.
You can test the ram one stick at a time with memtest, see if one of them is going bad
Success!!! I bumped up the voltages as suggested along with changing to "without vdroop". Fired up doom and it was immediately evident the voltage changes worked - as back to a solid 60 fps synced @ 'High' graphics settings and played for an hour w/o any hiccups whatsoever. Suffice to say I'm a happy camper with many thanks to all of you who jumped in to help. Hopefully I'm out of the woods with all the problems. Just to mention... I'm 77 (about to turn 78) and my grandsons kid me all the time about my computer game entertainment. Again, thanks to all who posted!!!
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 14:11:27
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Knowing the max voltages is a big help (thank you). When I went back into the BIOS just now and checked the voltage settings I had forgot I'd bumped them up way back when with my initial overclock attempt with help from this forum. Point being, I have been running with these voltages:
Vcore: 1.275
Vtt: 200 mv
QPI: Auto
The IOH and ICH are set to Auto.
I changed my Vcore and Vtt to 'Auto" and will see if running at the default settings along with the cpu and memory at 1067 has any effect...
No problem. Lowering the voltages isn't going to help the problem as your chip has most likely degraded from being overclocked for 7 years. You'll need to increase the voltages higher to resolve the issue if the crashes are being caused by chip degradation.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 14:11:56
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bill1024
If it were me I would set everything manually, even ram timings.
You can try relaxing the ram timings , looks like 9- 9 -9- 27 2 Try 10 - 9- 9 27 2
Vcore to 1.33 with it set to no vdroop
Vtt: 250
IOH 1.2
Ich 1.2
Ram up to .10 over what it is rated for, no more than 1.65v
Keep an eye on the temps.
You can test the ram one stick at a time with memtest, see if one of them is going bad
Success!!!
I bumped up the voltages as suggested along with changing to "without vdroop". Fired up doom and it was immediately evident the voltage changes worked - as back to a solid 60 fps synced @ 'High' graphics settings and played for an hour w/o any hiccups whatsoever.
Suffice to say I'm a happy camper with many thanks to all of you who jumped in to help.
Hopefully I'm out of the woods with all the problems.
Just to mention... I'm 77 (about to turn 78) and my grandsons kid me all the time about my computer game entertainment.
Again, thanks to all who posted!!!
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 14:13:39
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Knowing the max voltages is a big help (thank you). When I went back into the BIOS just now and checked the voltage settings I had forgot I'd bumped them up way back when with my initial overclock attempt with help from this forum. Point being, I have been running with these voltages:
Vcore: 1.275
Vtt: 200 mv
QPI: Auto
The IOH and ICH are set to Auto.
I changed my Vcore and Vtt to 'Auto" and will see if running at the default settings along with the cpu and memory at 1067 has any effect...
No problem. Lowering the voltages isn't going to help the problem as your chip has most likely degraded from being overclocked for 7 years. You'll need to increase the voltages higher to resolve the issue if the crashes are being caused by chip degradation.
I just posted when you did ... I'm back in business !!
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 14:14:19
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Knowing the max voltages is a big help (thank you). When I went back into the BIOS just now and checked the voltage settings I had forgot I'd bumped them up way back when with my initial overclock attempt with help from this forum. Point being, I have been running with these voltages:
Vcore: 1.275
Vtt: 200 mv
QPI: Auto
The IOH and ICH are set to Auto.
I changed my Vcore and Vtt to 'Auto" and will see if running at the default settings along with the cpu and memory at 1067 has any effect...
No problem. Lowering the voltages isn't going to help the problem as your chip has most likely degraded from being overclocked for 7 years. You'll need to increase the voltages higher to resolve the issue if the crashes are being caused by chip degradation.
I just posted when you did ... see below...
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 14:41:46
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I am glad you got it going!
It would not be a bad idea to change that CMOS 3.3v battery.
Its been in use a long time and they are cheap enough.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/05 14:47:13
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I am glad you got it going!
It would not be a bad idea to change that CMOS 3.3v battery.
Its been in use a long time and they are cheap enough.
Yup... will do that later this evening (have one on hand ... same type used in my car key fob). Time will tell if I'm totally out of the woods. Will be giving it the smoke test later tonight with a (hopefully) long session of doom...
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/06 14:37:23
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one thing you might want to do even though its back to running is redo the TIM on the NB/SB cooler, that stuff will dry out and those always ran hot on the x58 line.
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Re: Questions on replacing cmos battery on x58 E758 motherboard...
2017/10/06 15:22:56
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quadlatte
one thing you might want to do even though its back to running is redo the TIM on the NB/SB cooler, that stuff will dry out and those always ran hot on the x58 line.
Thanks for the reply and idea. But after the making the suggested voltage changes and running at the rated 2.8 GHz @ 1067 RAM setting I haven't had any problems. I put in a 3 hour session of doom last night at a steady 60 fps sync'd at 'high' settings. Also ran a 3DMark stress test a while ago with no crash or drop out. As such and being a firm believer in if it ain't broke don't fix it I'm going to leave well enough alone for now.
DS system build with: I7-8700k w/32 GB RAM Corsair H100i V2 CPU cooler Evga 750W PS Evga RTX 3070 XC Ultra Gaming Acer Predator 27" IPS 144 Hz monitor W10 Home Edition
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