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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/21 06:32:07
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Pray for the sailors and their family
NAVY needs a full review of their SOP on collision readiness and busy ports of call
I cannot understand why the Navy ships are unable to outmaneuver the cargo ship before it is too late --
a glancing blow is bad enough, getting "T-boned" seems unreasonable
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/21 06:42:58
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These huge ships can take up to a mile or so to turn depending on speed.
But unless the news just did not cover these things before it seems like a lot more crashing than normal.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/21 06:52:28
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The Navy is not having a good year with their fleet. Hopefully something changes soon.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/21 07:35:07
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I expect there will be policy changes for busy traffic lanes for the Navy in the very near future.
It's too bad this happened and it almost sounds like the start of a joke....did I ever tell you about the time the US Destroyer ran into a merchant ship?
My heart goes out to the families of the missing sailors.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/21 08:25:30
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looks like some more officers will be losing their posts.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/21 13:08:59
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This seems to be a recurring theme... Hopefully they find all lost sailors.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/21 15:12:00
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I hope they can find them, not good at all.
Would think in this day and age with radar and all the tech we have, things like this would not happen.
It is a US Navy destroyer for goodness sake, good thing a boat loaded with explosives did not attack it.
What does this say to our enemies...
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/21 15:58:16
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Im all for supporting our troops, not our politicians. IMOO, its our education system, too much emphasis on pointless book smarts vs common-sense to backup that book smarts. Kids, and young adults not held and taught to be responsible for their own. Taugh love goes a long way, even in bootcamp, last I heard, bootcamp isnt what it use to be, and some kids had their Mommy call the and sue the Sgt for being too hard on their kid. I mean no disrespect but our military has too many green cupcakes.....
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/22 12:11:07
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Cool GTX
Pray for the sailors and their family
NAVY needs a full review of their SOP on collision readiness and busy ports of call
I cannot understand why the Navy ships are unable to outmaneuver the cargo ship before it is too late --
a glancing blow is bad enough, getting "T-boned" seems unreasonable
Couldn't agree more. A destroyer can maneuver circles around one of those cargo chips and then some.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/22 22:17:36
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/22 22:46:00
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/23 02:17:48
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/24 14:44:06
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What baffles me is that with all the technology that is on those ships they did not detect the oil tanker in time to maneuver? I understand large ships can take a long time to turn but seriously these are U.S. Navy Destroyers that cost hundreds of millions of dollars and they can be "surprised" by an oil tanker? It's really a shame that people keep dying for what seems to amount to complacency of officers and/or those who are supposed to be monitoring the radar/sonar/sensors/whatever. I'm honestly surprised the Admiral wasn't removed from his command after the 2nd incident. I also am not a fan of them blaming it on the military being under funded. I work for a defense contractor so I know what the government gets billed. If anything they need to reduce costs through smarter procurement and holding contractors accountable more to stay within program budgets. Way to much tax payer money is wasted through fraud, misappropriation of funds and just blatant waste.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/24 15:17:03
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Something like this probably happened.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/24 18:56:07
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Stephenk291
but seriously these are U.S. Navy Destroyers that cost hundreds of millions of dollars and they can be "surprised" by an oil tanker? It's really a shame that people keep dying for what seems to amount to complacency
You might want to sit down for this ---- $1.9 Billion each and we (tax payers) loose two of them in two months and 17 Sailors lives
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/24 20:03:58
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Yeah there is some serious issues with these incidents. Something about it just doesn't sit right with me or we are only getting 5% of whats really going on. I'm a Navy vet, but was never on a ship, but this still hits close to home as I now have two brothers on the blue side of the Navy. I just don't understand how something like this happens, especially twice in such a short time frame. I have heard of possible hacking involving navigation systems briefly over NPR but we may not hear much more than that. May those sailors rest in peace.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/25 14:12:09
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Fox was touting a lot of the hacking nonsense, the Navy as so far firmly denied it. Cool GTX
You might want to sit down for this ---- $1.9 Billion each and we (tax payers) loose two of them in two months and 17 Sailors lives
They haven't decided yet on the USS McCain, they discovered the ship's superstructure was warped enough to break its radar pad alignment so they will have to figure out how badly.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/25 20:06:55
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One of the those missing is a local man.
We went to the same high school. This is really hitting close to home.
I did not know the family, but I sure feel so bad for them.
All the families must be knotted up inside with worry.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/26 11:31:50
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Cool GTX
Stephenk291
but seriously these are U.S. Navy Destroyers that cost hundreds of millions of dollars and they can be "surprised" by an oil tanker? It's really a shame that people keep dying for what seems to amount to complacency
You might want to sit down for this ---- $1.9 Billion each and we (tax payers) loose two of them in two months and 17 Sailors lives
I knew when I typed hundreds of millions I was lowballing it probably but wow. This goes back to my previous point. The military is blaming these types of events on a lack of funding which to me is baffling. We're practically a military industrial complex nation as it is. Entire towns are formed around military bases that could be closed. Local economies grow based on military manufacturing such as the tanks we keep building yet the military says they don't need them anymore. Government always tries to take more money to throw at a problem rather than taking the logical but harder way of reigning in costs and overruns. It's a damn shame people have to keep dying because of these types of mistakes.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/28 11:15:33
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Looks like they have found all the sailors. Divers have found the missing crew. R.I.P. This should have never happened.
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/29 22:08:02
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More senseless deaths due to incompetence..What a shame. RIP
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Re: 10 US Navy sailors missing after destroyer collides with merchant ship
2017/08/30 01:24:48
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Looks like they have found all the sailors. Divers have found the missing crew. R.I.P. This should have never happened.
It's very sad that this happened and really I don't understand why it's happening so often. I mean after the USS Cole you would think we would have a wide area we wouldn't allow ships near. Seems like now we will let any boat close enough to bump into our ships.
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