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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 06:45:11
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I think the price was originally supposed to be 500 dollars for the RX Vega 64
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 08:22:17
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I think the price was originally supposed to be 500 dollars for the RX Vega 64
I believe you're right. EDIT: Review sites still have it listed at $499. The liquid cooled is $599, though. The power draw is in fact...not good.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 08:34:34
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Well if its 500 bucks its a good deal, two vega 64s for 1k vs $800 for a 1080ti.
But I understand that power draw concerns some of us.
I still want to see a 16GB version.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 09:04:16
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AMD is still trying to play catch-up with NVIDIA. I guess this is their best effort after so long. I think AMD's memory solution is eating a bit at the power but it seems to be only 22 watts more than a EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 according to the Hexus review. My concern is the GPU temp which seems to be about the same as the Titan XP. I hope that AMD partners can provide better cooling solutions. The water cooled solution for 599 dollars would be a better choice I think.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 09:22:02
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AMD is still trying to play catch-up with NVIDIA. I guess this is their best effort after so long. I think AMD's memory solution is eating a bit at the power but it seems to be only 22 watts more than a EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 according to the Hexus review. My concern is the GPU temp which seems to be about the same as the Titan XP. I hope that AMD partners can provide better cooling solutions. The water cooled solution for 599 dollars would be a better choice I think.
Looks like the water cooled version is clocked a bit faster too, and I bet it doesnt throttle speeds due to heat. I dont get why AMD even has a reference cooler, its trash. MSI, XFX, Asus, and All the other guys have such better coolers.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 09:35:31
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AMD is still trying to play catch-up with NVIDIA. I guess this is their best effort after so long. I think AMD's memory solution is eating a bit at the power but it seems to be only 22 watts more than a EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 according to the Hexus review. My concern is the GPU temp which seems to be about the same as the Titan XP. I hope that AMD partners can provide better cooling solutions. The water cooled solution for 599 dollars would be a better choice I think.
Looks like the water cooled version is clocked a bit faster too, and I bet it doesnt throttle speeds due to heat.
I dont get why AMD even has a reference cooler, its trash. MSI, XFX, Asus, and All the other guys have such better coolers.
Totally agree with you on this. I don't think I'll buy another reference card again.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 09:42:10
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Well if its 500 bucks its a good deal, two vega 64s for 1k vs $800 for a 1080ti.
But I understand that power draw concerns some of us.
I still want to see a 16GB version.
Power draw is a concern for me. It defines how well rounded the product is. Automotive performance fans will understand. Take for example a Corvette ZR-1 and compare it to the Porsche 911 GT2. The ZR-1 has 638 Hp where as the 911 has 530 Hp. Despite this power deficit the 911 is able to keep up with the ZR-1 for the length of a mile. Although the ZR-1 comes out on top, the margin of victory is insignificant. Here we see a 108 Hp difference in power. Now, when you compare the 505 Hp Z06 to the 530 Hp 911 GT2 the Porsche absolutely annihilates the Z06 despite the minimal 25 Hp advantage. Why? Because all other engineering aspects of the Porsche are superior hence it does not need the extra power to attain similar levels of performance. AMD seems to be facing a similar demon. The only way they can get Vega 64 to keep up with the 1080 and 56 with the 1070 is by adding TDP (or Hp if you're into motorsport). But much like in the super car comparison which sees the Porsche 911 GT2 in a higher price bracket, AMD compensates for the deficit with a lower MSRP, which is nice. All said and done the reviews reveal that Nvidia has the better product in the VGA market. Given the pricing, however, the decision between the 1080/1070 and 64/56 is a tough one. You can go with the power hungry V8 ZR-1 option for less money, or you have the option for the more prestigious H6 911 GT2 which draws less power but knows how to put the power down due to well refined suspension and transmission systems. In conclusion I think there are no losers, here. Both companies provide benefits. But in all honesty if I were to choose between the 64 and 1080, or the 56 and 1070...Nvidia would be the right choice. The higher price tag is negated by better power/performance ratios. In time we will see AIB reviews which are certain to increase Vega efficiency but I don't believe these will be meritable. Vega provides an alternative to Nvidia's current VGA champion but it does fall short...Just! There is no AMD answer for the 1080 Ti. But as far as I'm concerned the 1080 and 1070 Nvidia offspring have now got some competition. If only Vega needed a LITTLE less petrol. I like this comprehensive guru3d review of the 56: http://www.guru3d.com/art...ega-56-8gb-review.html
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 10:09:51
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 10:21:43
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sadly its not really going to do very well, it competes evenly/slightly better than the 1070 but not much else going for it. Although I guess if miners want to keep buying them up AMD will still have a market for it.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 10:22:03
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Well if its 500 bucks its a good deal, two vega 64s for 1k vs $800 for a 1080ti.
But I understand that power draw concerns some of us.
I still want to see a 16GB version.
Power draw is a concern for me. It defines how well rounded the product is. Automotive performance fans will understand. Take for example a Corvette ZR-1 and compare it to the Porsche 911 GT2. The ZR-1 has 638 Hp where as the 911 has 530 Hp. Despite this power deficit the 911 is able to keep up with the ZR-1 for the length of a mile. Although the ZR-1 comes out on top, the margin of victory is insignificant. Here we see a 108 Hp difference in power. Now, when you compare the 505 Hp Z06 to the 530 Hp 911 GT2 the Porsche absolutely annihilates the Z06 despite the minimal 25 Hp advantage. Why? Because all other engineering aspects of the Porsche are superior hence it does not need the extra power to attain similar levels of performance.
AMD seems to be facing a similar demon. The only way they can get Vega 64 to keep up with the 1080 and 56 with the 1070 is by adding TDP (or Hp if you're into motorsport). But much like in the super car comparison which sees the Porsche 911 GT2 in a higher price bracket, AMD compensates for the deficit with a lower MSRP, which is nice. All said and done the reviews reveal that Nvidia has the better product in the VGA market. Given the pricing, however, the decision between the 1080/1070 and 64/56 is a tough one. You can go with the power hungry V8 ZR-1 option for less money, or you have the option for the more prestigious H6 911 GT2 which draws less power but knows how to put the power down due to well refined suspension and transmission systems.
In conclusion I think there are no losers, here. Both companies provide benefits. But in all honesty if I were to choose between the 64 and 1080, or the 56 and 1070...Nvidia would be the right choice. The higher price tag is negated by better power/performance ratios.
In time we will see AIB reviews which are certain to increase Vega efficiency but I don't believe these will be meritable. Vega provides an alternative to Nvidia's current VGA champion but it does fall short...Just! There is no AMD answer for the 1080 Ti. But as far as I'm concerned the 1080 and 1070 Nvidia offspring have now got some competition. If only Vega needed a LITTLE less petrol.
I like this comprehensive guru3d review of the 56: http://www.guru3d.com/art...ega-56-8gb-review.html
I agree that the 1080ti is hands down the best card and there is no answer for it yet, its uses a bit less power, it gets better FPS and it looks cool. However there is also the Monitor camp now. For example I use a LG 34UC79G-B, a freesync monitor that was $600 bucks. If I or others "invested" $600 into a monitor the Vega is a awesome choice for 500 bucks. BUT If I was the guy who spend $900 on the very same monitor but with G-Sync (LG 34UC89G-B) I wouldnt want a Vega, I would get a 1080Ti. Both setup are awesome and I doubt anyone could tell the two apart in a game, but its just another deciding factor. I think G-sync is great but it comes at a price. I think as well as others Nvidia should open up adaptive sync ( b/c its built into display port already) and they can still keep G-sync. This would get people like me, who have Freesync monitors to buy their cards or at least consider it. Because as of now I have to buy AMD to take advantage of a new $600 monitor I already own, but if Nvidia also supported it I could buy a 1080Ti and I would most likely do so because it looks as if nobody is going to be able to buy a Vega card. BTW: Your reply was well worded and thought out, I miss level headed comments on our forum. Here is a good video Linus released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU5kcRUpEks
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 18:03:29
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This guy did a great review on the Vega56 (Hardware Unboxed)
25 benchmarks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQCal8t-qvQ
Nice but wish he had also tested the Vega 64 in the same video
His card got lost in shipping and AMD will have one for him soon.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 18:08:21
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His card got lost stolen in shipping and AMD will have one for him soon.
that's what you meant
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/14 18:11:43
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His card got lost stolen in shipping and AMD will have one for him soon.
that's what you meant
Dang miners.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/15 02:42:22
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I don't know what AMD think with these prices, they ask 599$ for GPU and GTX1080 cost 550$. Who will buy RX Vega 64 than. Not only that Liquid cost 699$ and cheapest GTX1080Ti is available for 720$. You need to be serious amateur or fan to pay almost GTX1080Ti price, 30$ less for slower card than GTX1080 but 100W higher power consumption than GTX1080Ti. Who will done that? I forgot completely, miners. Because of that they didn't talk on Computex about RX Vega. Now should be done some battle, EPIC battle, unseen in IT Industry. AMD Top Dog new premium GPU 300W (Q3 2017) vs NVIDIAs Veteran TITAN X Maxwell (Q1 2015). Is it Old Veteran with 50W less capable to beat new AMD's fighter. Let's compare them. GeForce TITAN X Maxwell (Q1 2015) Is it full or crippled I can't remember any more... they have 3 TITAN X I don't know... Radeon RX Vega 64 (Q3 2017) AMD will compete with GeForce when NVIDIA stop to support them with drivers, after few years.  We can expect successor of GTX1080Ti to cost exactly 999$, BUT HE WILL BE MONSTER, at least 50% faster than 1080Ti. But first 10-20% faster 2080 for 799$. Successor of GTX1080. We will pay AMD's mistakes no one else. Why NVIDIA to launch new generation when they win over AMD and beat him with one year old architecture. And don't need not premium chip. Crippled premium chip old one year is killer for AMD, that's completely different league, something smaller, with single power connector. They beat him with 180W mid/high segment, not premium.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/15 03:27:38
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Do these new cards support Crossfire?
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/15 06:42:23
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The power consumption is crazy.... Anandtech measured 150w more over the 1080. Tech Report measured 176w more on "Turbo" mode, and 136w on "Balanced" mode. I have no idea what mode AMD's drivers default to, but either one is just absurd. And the liquid cooled Vega 64 makes EVGA's 1080 Ti Hydrocopper look like a bargain.
 Have water, will cool.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/15 07:33:57
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AMD’s RX Vega 64’s $499 Price Tag Was A ‘Launch Only’ Introductory Offer By The CompanyAMD to raise MSRP by up to $100 following initial sales window, RX Vega 64 Air and Liquid Cooled Edition’s real MSRP is $599 and $699 respectively I have to say that I wasn’t expecting this type of anti-consumer behavior from AMD. The reason that they are apparently giving is to scare off miners by forcing people to buy ‘Radeon Packs’ but this is something that can be easily solved by limiting standalone GPUs to 1 pc per customer and is basically nothing more than a glorified excuse. It is an especially low blow because AMD stated that the entire point of the Vega delay was to accumulate stock for launch and yet we saw that their entire inventory evaporated within minutes of launch, making it one of the worst stocked GPU launches in history. Consumers will now pretty much be forced to by Radeon Packs at gunpoint. One thing is for sure however, every reviewer needs to update their conclusions based on the new MSRPs. http://wccftech.com/amds-rx-vega-64s-499-price-tag-was-a-launch-only-introductory-offer/ so prices jump $100 after launch window..... even on the vega 56 so more expensive than a 1070 and uses more power for the same performance....lol and they expect them to sell on the feature of "you can buy a cheaper monitor" Nvidia could just turn around and make g-sync cheaper to partners
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/15 08:12:08
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Vega 64 is a flop in my opinion. Does not consistently beat GTX 1080 (15-month old card) and draws WAY more power, and price is not very competitive.
Vega 56 is the more interesting and compelling of the two cards.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/15 14:09:08
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Vega 64 is a flop in my opinion. Does not consistently beat GTX 1080 (15-month old card) and draws WAY more power, and price is not very competitive.
Vega 56 is the more interesting and compelling of the two cards.
Agreed on both counts. The 56 I will be considering for my Ryzen build. It provides the necessary performance at 1440p and the power draw is much more subdued when compared to her bigger and hungrier sister. Speaking of Ryzen, I'd like to see both RX Vegas tested on R7 and R5 platforms and see if there is a better understanding regarding performance between the cousins.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/17 11:12:28
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For people who tried to explain that AMD is consumer friendly not greed as Intel or NVIDIA should remember forever how AMD give price for RX Vega 64 499$ on launch date and get better reviews because conclusion of people who do tests are different if card cost 499$ and if card cost 599$. In first situation that was New GPU King under 500$ and people who can't afford more than 450-500$ need to tolerate higher power consumption. But if card cost 599$ that's completely different situation and people pay higher price for slower hardware without PhysX with higher power consumption. AMD made really mess with prices and supplies of RX Vega. AMD could say thanks to miners because now they could sell GTX1080 performance for 699$. To be honest If I need to choose I would rather bought GTX1080, don't even to talk about GTX1080Ti. https://www.kitguru.net/c...ga64-pricing-disaster/ Some information say that price of RX Vega 64 Air cooled was 599 pounds. While GTX1080 is 499 pounds. They show these prices for Black version of reference RX Vega 64 Madness, pure madness. Definitely 1$ above 500$ RX Vega 64 is insane option for gamers. You need to be AMD fan, to seriously hate NVIDIA, to ignore higher power consumption and noticable lower performance in games to buy RX Vega instead GeForce GTX1080. AMD Radeon was usually option for old Radeon fans who were loyal from period when ATI dominate, and they are not ready to overprice NVIDIA 100$ for same performance. Now AMD do exactly that. Nice way to get better reviews, but they should know that people who do that will not stay silent just like that if price jump 100$. Any adviser with little understanding of IT market would say that will not improve their situation and could even become worse. AMD could say thanks to Ryzen 7 and Threadripper, imagine same fiasco as Bulldozer and now RX Vega. Market share would drop on 10% for AMD and that could be end of their competition with Intel and NVIDIA. People who advice EVGA to produce Radeon GPU now see what would happen, that would be worse decision in EVGA's history and maybe fatal for company in this form. They would become supplier of miners not company for production of hardware for gaming and overclocking.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/17 16:12:05
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Ok all things Vega are now fake, they don't exist.
I can't locate one (well two) and ebay wants 1,000 bucks..... 1k is Nvidia money, not AMD money.
For 1k I could buy two 1080' and set my monitor to freesync OFF and 1ms ON.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/18 01:03:52
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You need to be serious angry on NVIDIA to order RX Vega instead GTX1080.
GTX1080 is GPU for any situation and configuration.
You can install on 500W PSU with Intel 7th or even better 8th generation when show up.
She need less than 200W, actually mostly below 180W. And if someone want more powerfull could use them in SLI.
Two of them need same power as one RX Vega 64 in gaming mode.
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Re: AMD RX Vega Release day
2017/08/21 18:07:31
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You need to be serious angry on NVIDIA to order RX Vega instead GTX1080.
GTX1080 is GPU for any situation and configuration.
You can install on 500W PSU with Intel 7th or even better 8th generation when show up.
She need less than 200W, actually mostly below 180W. And if someone want more powerfull could use them in SLI.
Two of them need same power as one RX Vega 64 in gaming mode.
No, not angry at Nvidia. Just tired of the same EVGA/Asus cards ( all great cards). Also Intel's crazy prices. At some point I will return to a all Intel/EVGA system but that wont be until 2022ish+. Im very intrigue by AMD. The R9 200 series and driver improvements really caught my attention. AMDs push for low level APIs was awesome. The Zen, T.R., and Epyc CPUs caught all of us off guard with their speed, power management, and price. G-sync is awesome and AMD worked with Display port to us adaptive sync for nothing... Its kind of cool and will be very cool if it appears in TVs for the upcoming Xbox One X and next years Playstation. Im also very interested in the future of my Vega card(s) (I have one and looks like I may have accidentally won another on ebay.) Like all AMD GPUs the driver will need a few month and I really want to see if anything becomes of the HBCC. Its their little projects that interest me. Any AMD card will power any game at 60FPS+ and at the end of the day Green or Red the games all look nice and run great. Also heat and power don't bother me ( talking about the Vega here), all items can and should be water cooled and there are plenty of 1200,1300, and 1600w PSUs to pick from. I know I could buy a EVGA 1080ti or two and 7700k CPU and be set for a long time but there isn't anything exciting about that for me at this time of my PC building hobby. Over in ModRigs I started another build, all AMD/Asus this time around.Parts should all arrive in a few days.
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