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This is the POTM for August, it is primegrids 4th challenge of their series for 2017
It is from August 20-23rd. 3 day challenge, if you want run an extra day or two to help with clean up and make it the full 5 day POTM. Up to you.
The challenge will begin 20th August 2017 18:00 UTC. It will  end 23rd August 2017 18:00 UTC
What every you want to do, any and all help is greatly appreciated.
Here is the PG challenge page  http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=7540
This PG Solar Eclipse Challenge this is a CPU LLR  Sub-project = Generalized Cullen/Woodall Prime Search LLR (GCW)

As with LLR tasks, watch CPU temps if you're overclocked, AVX and newer instructions are used so newer (Sandybridge +) CPUs will run even warmer.
So it is best to run with Hyper Thread off if running one task per thread.
These are long running tasks, website says up to +- 24 hours with one task per thread,
Would be nice is we could keep our 5th place spot we come in often, will see how it goes
It is Summer and the weather is warm, and the living is easy.
 
Going to run some tests single, and multi-threaded tasks and see what is the best way to go about this project
 


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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/09 20:33:34 (permalink)
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    This is the POTM for August, it is primegrids 4th challenge of their series for 2017
    It is from August 20-23rd. 3 day challenge, if you want run an extra day or two to help with clean up and make it the full 5 day POTM. Up to you.
    What every you want to do, any and all help is greatly appreciated.
    Here is the PG challenge page  http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=7540
    This PG Solar Eclipse Challenge this is a CPU LLR  Sub-project = Generalized Cullen/Woodall Prime Search LLR (GCW)

    As with LLR tasks, watch CPU temps if you're overclocked, AVX and newer instructions are used so newer (Sandybridge +) CPUs will run even warmer.
    So it is best to run with Hyper Thread off if running one task per thread.
    These are long running tasks, website says up to +- 24 hours with one task per thread,
    Would be nice is we could keep our 5th place spot we come in often, will see how it goes
    It is Summer and the weather is warm, and the living is easy.
     
    Going to run some tests single, and multi-threaded tasks and see what is the best way to go about this project
     



    Thanks for the heads up - I personally prefer Santeria - But I am all in -
    I hope yodap throws a rock at my head to remind me.
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/09 20:41:22 (permalink)
    Now is a good time to blow out the dust bunnies in the CPU coolers and radiators.
     
    A C&P from the PG page.
     
    ATTENTION: The primality program LLR is CPU intensive; so, it is vital to have a stable system with good cooling. It does not tolerate "even the slightest of errors." Please see this post for more details on how you can "stress test" your computer. Tasks will take ~16 hours on fast/newer computers and 24+ hours on slower/older computers. If your computer is highly overclocked, please consider "stress testing" it. Sieving is an excellent alternative for computers that are not able to LLR. :)

    Highly overclocked Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake, or Kabylake (i.e., Intel Core i7, i5, and i3 -4xxx or better) computers running the application will see fastest times. Note that GCW is running the latest FMA3 version of LLR which takes full advantage of the features of these newer CPUs. It's faster than the previous LLR app and draws more power and produces more heat. If you have a Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake, or Kabylake CPU, especially if it's overclocked or has overclocked memory, and haven't run the new FMA3 LLR before, we strongly suggest running it before the challenge while you are monitoring the temperatures.

    Please, please, please make sure your machines are up to the task.

     

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/09 20:54:45 (permalink)
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    This is the POTM for August, it is primegrids 4th challenge of their series for 2017
    It is from August 20-23rd. 3 day challenge, if you want run an extra day or two to help with clean up and make it the full 5 day POTM. Up to you.
    What every you want to do, any and all help is greatly appreciated.
    Here is the PG challenge page  http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=7540
    This PG Solar Eclipse Challenge this is a CPU LLR  Sub-project = Generalized Cullen/Woodall Prime Search LLR (GCW)

    As with LLR tasks, watch CPU temps if you're overclocked, AVX and newer instructions are used so newer (Sandybridge +) CPUs will run even warmer.
    So it is best to run with Hyper Thread off if running one task per thread.
    These are long running tasks, website says up to +- 24 hours with one task per thread,
    Would be nice is we could keep our 5th place spot we come in often, will see how it goes
    It is Summer and the weather is warm, and the living is easy.
     
    Going to run some tests single, and multi-threaded tasks and see what is the best way to go about this project
     



    Thanks for the heads up - I personally prefer Santeria - But I am all in -
    I hope yodap throws a rock at my head to remind me.
    robby


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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/10 07:52:58 (permalink)
    I'm livin' in the LBC and it's summer...so I think I'm ready to go
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/10 08:09:55 (permalink)
    CPU = Summertime or is it Summertime = CPU.
    Any Hoot I am ready.
    It is 70F in Lemoyne, NE and it should be in the Upper 90's Lower 100's and it is raining like Cats, No Dogs Yet!
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 06:05:32 (permalink)
    It is hotter than fire here in the sunshine state. Loving these 1080 hybrids. For once I am cool inside my computer room.
    Since i moved my power bill has jumped to $400 - I told my wife i would shut down the 980s for the summer.
    That $400 is 90% the robbysites folding/crunching project.
     
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 11:47:09 (permalink)
    Is the electric more expensive where you are now, or need for more A/C?
    Why do you think the bill went up?

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 12:11:02 (permalink)
    I did some testing and it seems running multithread with HT on is the way to go.
    I tested with a i7-4930k. one task 12 threads, one task 6 cores, and 6 tasks 1 thread each task
    On my 2P I will run 2 tasks, one on each CPU, 16 threads each task. 4P, 4 tasks and so on...
    You have to use an app_config to run multithread tasks.
     
    EDIT
    Also if you multithread, it will DL as many tasks as you have cores/threads even though you are only doing one task at a time.
    I just abort the tasks that are not running so they get sent back out to some one else right away.
    Don't want PG LLR tasks sitting waiting to be worked on, if it is prime, first one returned is the founder, 2nd is wingman.

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 13:23:32 (permalink)
    bill1024
    Is the electric more expensive where you are now, or need for more A/C?
    Why do you think the bill went up?


    The power is more - i used to run up the ac but I now have water cooled cards and the 2 that are not are in an enclosed room attached to the house. Everything costs more here. Water, power - the rent now that I sold my house we are renting is insane. The ac in this house is much newer and runs far less.
    And this is no castle - it's nice just the area in general. I am on an island.
    The houses on the water have large boats, pools, solar panels. This is a cool place - no traffic, until you want to go to Tampa next door.


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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 15:20:10 (permalink)
    This is what my app_config looks like.
    Just change the number 6 to how ever many threads you are using.
     
    <app_config>
       <app>
          <name>llrGCW</name>
          <fraction_done_exact/>
        </app>
       <app_version>
           <app_name>llrGCW</app_name>
           <cmdline>-t 6</cmdline>
           <avg_ncpus>6</avg_ncpus>
           <max_ncpus>6</max_ncpus>
       </app_version>
    </app_config>

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 15:28:51 (permalink)
    The single core units take forever if you run 100%. Thanks Bill I'll try 4 on my quad core. Do  you know yet if there is a points advantage for multi-t?


     

     
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 15:32:41 (permalink)
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    The single core units take forever if you run 100%. Thanks Bill I'll try 4 on my quad core. Do  you know yet if there is a points advantage for multi-t?


    Well, running MT with HT on, I can do more tasks in the time it takes to do 6 tasks one per core.
    So I would say yes, MT should produce more PPD than single thread.
    HT on was faster than HT off using MT.

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 21:22:04 (permalink)
    My first test was on 2500k, no ht. I've since started an 8 thread wu on the 2600k @ stock speed, 59% in 2 hours.


     

     
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/11 23:48:11 (permalink)
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    This is what my app_config looks like.
    Just change the number 6 to how ever many threads you are using.
     
    <app_config>
      <app>
         <name>llrGCW</name>
         <fraction_done_exact/>
       </app>
      <app_version>
          <app_name>llrGCW</app_name>
          <cmdline>-t 6</cmdline>
          <avg_ncpus>6</avg_ncpus>
          <max_ncpus>6</max_ncpus>
      </app_version>
    </app_config>


    Thanks Bill,
    So for my 40 core server, what do you think, all 40 or break it down to 10's and do 4 tasks??

     


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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/12 01:53:16 (permalink)
    Hi Steve, I do not remember how many CPUs and core/thread you have. What do you have?
    If you have 4 CPUs, I would run 4 - 10 core tasks. If it has 2 CPUs, run two tasks.
    You want to run 1 task per CPU.
    Reason being, you want the task to stay in the CPUs cashe and not have to use much if any system memory.
    If running too many tasks, it will not fit in the cashe of the CPU, onboard cashe is faster and is right there in the CPU.
    My CPUs have 12mb if I remember right, if you have 20mb or more, you maybe able to run two per CPU
    My 2P e5-2670, I will run two 16 threaded tasks. 2 CPUs with 8 cores 16 threads ( I think) I have to test 8 vs 16
    Depends on how well it scales. The 12 threads were better than 6 cores.
     
    You can try different configurations and see if it is faster or slower.

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/12 03:27:30 (permalink)
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    Hi Steve, I do not remember how many CPUs and core/thread you have. What do you have?
    If you have 4 CPUs, I would run 4 - 10 core tasks. If it has 2 CPUs, run two tasks.
    You want to run 1 task per CPU.
    Reason being, you want the task to stay in the CPUs cashe and not have to use much if any system memory.
    If running too many tasks, it will not fit in the cashe of the CPU, onboard cashe is faster and is right there in the CPU.
    My CPUs have 12mb if I remember right, if you have 20mb or more, you maybe able to run two per CPU
    My 2P e5-2670, I will run two 16 threaded tasks. 2 CPUs with 8 cores 16 threads ( I think) I have to test 8 vs 16
    Depends on how well it scales. The 12 threads were better than 6 cores.
     
    You can try different configurations and see if it is faster or slower.


    Great advice as always, much appreciated.
     
    Yes I have 4 CPU's and 146Gb of Ram.... So will experiment a little tomorrow if I get time..
    Cheers

     


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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/12 04:33:33 (permalink)
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/13 21:13:25 (permalink)
     
    Going with this on my T630 ATM with HT Off.
     
    <app_config>
       <app>
          <name>llrGCW</name>
          <max_concurrent>4</max_concurrent>
          <fraction_done_exact/>
        </app>
       <app_version>
           <app_name>llrGCW</app_name>
           <cmdline>-t 6</cmdline>
           <avg_ncpus>6</avg_ncpus>
           <max_ncpus>6</max_ncpus>
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/15 10:10:06 (permalink)
    Ran some tests with bcavs setup, 6 core tasks.  Everything looks good, about 14 hrs on E5-2670's.
     
    I didn't try 2 x 16 core since I wanted a little buffer for GPU stuff.

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/15 10:32:05 (permalink)
    On my CPU E5-2680 v4 (HT is Off)
    From
    Run time 19,314.00
    CPU time 56,040.39
    to
    Run time 61,666.00
    CPU time 65,267.61
    Some very http://www.primegrid.com/results.php?hostid=524550&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid 
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/15 22:09:13 (permalink)
    OP edited to show the time it starts, I guess that is an important thing to know.
    I'll let you know what times it ends too since I am in a good mood.
     
    The challenge will begin 20th August 2017 18:00 UTC. It will  end 23rd August 2017 18:00 UTC

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/16 09:37:55 (permalink)
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    OP edited to show the time it starts, I guess that is an important thing to know.
    I'll let you know what times it ends too since I am in a good mood.
     
    The challenge will begin 20th August 2017 18:00 UTC. It will  end 23rd August 2017 18:00 UTC


    Yes it is because any Tasks you Download Before the Start Time will not Count.
    You can also set the Client to get .01 and 0 if you are not at home.
    I will turn mine on through BAM! (1205 MST) so I only need not to forget again
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/19 11:00:42 (permalink)
    24 hours to start.
    Starts 2PM Eastern USA time, Sunday 8/20/2017

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/19 17:59:16 (permalink)
    Just started my main rig on some task to see  how they do.  Thankfully all my OC cpu's are on custom water loops.  I'll bring some of the other system online tomorrow.  Looks like ~9 hours per task on my 6850k with HT off.

     
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/19 21:43:10 (permalink)
    wizanhi
    Just started my main rig on some task to see  how they do.  Thankfully all my OC cpu's are on custom water loops.  I'll bring some of the other system online tomorrow.  Looks like ~9 hours per task on my 6850k with HT off.


    You may want to run these multithread, using the app_config posted up above. Try and see how it works for you.

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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/20 08:03:14 (permalink)
    3 Hours till start!


     

     
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/20 11:15:22 (permalink)
    I just hit some tasks up, says not finished for 5 days.....
     
    Am using Bill's config file..... but will not finish any before end of challenge at this rate.. Not any Blame on Bill at all.... no flames...
     
    Is this normal for these tasks? anyone else seeing the same??

     


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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/20 11:23:01 (permalink)
    Steve, I noticed the time estimated is as if it's still a single thread work unit. In reality it's working at a much faster clip. Let get to 5% and multiply by 20.
    My 8thread just 10% in 20 minutes wich tells me about 3hr-20mins. Boinc says 7 hours.
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    Re: POTM for August, 20-23rd PG GCW-LLR Solar Eclipse Challenge 4th of 2017 2017/08/20 14:09:15 (permalink)
    How are you guys making out? Get it sorted Steve?
    I am sure you should not be taking days to do tasks if you are using multithread 1 task per CPU.
    Mine seem to be doing ok so far, just added one more 12 thread to the mix.
    We'll see how it goes, going to get hot again here tomorrow, only real hot for one day.

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