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2017/05/31 11:34:27 (permalink)
I just read that all of AMD's new CPUs SKUs will have a CRAZY 64 gen3 pcie lanes! Thats enough to put eight GPU's on one rig and maintain pcie 3.0 x8 performance, as long as the motherboard allows, or a more reasonable four GPU pcie 3.0 x16. This is the first time in a long time i have actually be excited for an AMD product. Ryzen was nice but nothing about it screamed at me like this monster.
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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/05/31 12:50:03 (permalink)
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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/05/31 13:15:17 (permalink)
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    I just read that all of AMD's new CPUs SKUs will have a CRAZY 64 gen3 pcie lanes! Thats enough to put eight GPU's on one rig and maintain pcie 3.0 x8 performance, as long as the motherboard allows, or a more reasonable four GPU pcie 3.0 x16. This is the first time in a long time i have actually be excited for an AMD product. Ryzen was nice but nothing about it screamed at me like this monster.


    One Problem, no one has as MB that will support it.


    Yet. I expect Asus, MSI et al to have mobo's available at launch 

      


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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/05/31 14:50:18 (permalink)
    I was bummed that they pushed Vega back until the end of July... Who knows what actual availability will be after that! Looks like i'll just go with 1080 ti again and fork over way too much money

     
     

     
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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/05/31 15:27:09 (permalink)
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    Well taking a look at the chip first, we have dual channel memory, with support for up to 64GB of DDR4 (supporting 2400 MT/s officially, and up to 3600 MT/s on the board), 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes, 16 dedicated to graphics, 4 for PCIe SSDs, and 4 for chipset communication, and support for up to 4 USB 3.1 devices solely on the chip. 
     
    On top of that the X370 chipset, supports an additional 2 USB 3.1 Type C, 6 USB 3.1 Type A, 6 USB 2.0, 4 SATA 6Gb/s ports, 2 SATA Express ports (or another 4 SATA 6GB/s), and an additional 8 PCIe 2.0 lanes as well.
     

     
    that is Ryzen stats not Threadripper.
     
    anandtechhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/11482/amd-cpu-updates-threadripper-64-pcie-lanes-epyc-june-20th
     
    At today’s press conference, AMD has confirmed that the 16 core processor will for most purposes be half of an Epyc processor. This means that the two die MCM chip will feature 4 DDR4 channels and a whopping 64 lanes of PCIe, with all 64 lanes being enabled for all ThreadRipper SKUs. This will be broken up into 60+4: 60 lanes directly from the CPU for feeding PCIe and M.2 slots, and then another 4 lanes going to the chipset (with an undisclosed number of lanes then coming off of it) to drive basic I/O, USB, and other features.

     
    EDIT: oh, just saw this video of a gigabyte motherboard for the threadripper X399 
     

     
    it has two pcie x16, two pcie x8 and 1 pcie x4 and the remaining lanes are for the three M.2 and other I/O.
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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/05/31 15:50:19 (permalink)
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    Well taking a look at the chip first, we have dual channel memory, with support for up to 64GB of DDR4 (supporting 2400 MT/s officially, and up to 3600 MT/s on the board), 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes, 16 dedicated to graphics, 4 for PCIe SSDs, and 4 for chipset communication, and support for up to 4 USB 3.1 devices solely on the chip. 
     
    On top of that the X370 chipset, supports an additional 2 USB 3.1 Type C, 6 USB 3.1 Type A, 6 USB 2.0, 4 SATA 6Gb/s ports, 2 SATA Express ports (or another 4 SATA 6GB/s), and an additional 8 PCIe 2.0 lanes as well.

    Except that this isn't X370.   AMD's spec's as revealed at Computex last night are: up to 32 CPU threads (16 cores), quad channel memory, 64 PCIe 3.0 lanes.   From AMD: The processors will run on the new X399 platform which rely on a totally new chipset and already have motherboard configurations announced by the likes of ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte and MSI. 
    The CPU will launch at some point in the June, July, August period, with pricing details to be released closer to the launch date.
     
    I'm not finding any actual specs on the X399 motherboards as yet, but ASUS, Asrock, and Gigabyte already have X399 boards being shown at Computex with four PCIe 3.0 X16 slots on board.

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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/05/31 16:18:09 (permalink)
    Out of my league.
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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/06/01 04:53:57 (permalink)
    It's up to 64 pcie lanes. Remember that AMD still lags in single core performance per megahertz. The other factor is the more cores, the lower the clock speed. Still, look at the newer Intel x299 lineup, prices are definitely looking good (still way out of my budget).


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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/06/03 04:38:49 (permalink)
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    It's up to 64 pcie lanes. Remember that AMD still lags in single core performance per megahertz. The other factor is the more cores, the lower the clock speed. Still, look at the newer Intel x299 lineup, prices are definitely looking good (still way out of my budget).



     Actually, Ryzen is quite close and occasionally superior to Intel's best on IPC - but they are still lagging on raw clock rate some.
     I don't see Threadripper being a particularly good gaming or Folding/Crunching platform - but as a SERVER GPGPU platform and a SERVER CPU it should get some serious attention.

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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/06/03 05:09:19 (permalink)
    This should be interesting but costs of the motherboards and processors still are not known at this time.

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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/06/03 12:15:02 (permalink)
    I haven't seen anything that says they have better PIC than Intel. In fact their own marketing compares it to Broadwell. The only thing they have right now is more cores for less, but their interconnect is less efficient than Intel's and needs higher memory speeds for good performance. The main problem for folding is that I doubt they will do the custom instructions for Ryzen to enable better performance.


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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/06/03 14:40:17 (permalink)
    Skylake and Kaby Lake had pretty much zero improvement on IPC over Haswell or Broadwell.
    They're comparing to Broadwell because there aren't any Skylake or Kaby Lake CPUs that have 8 cores (yet).
     
     Realistically though, the IPC on the CPU doesn't MATTER to folding - folding isn't CPU intensive, just need enough CPU to keep the data flowing.
     
     
     There are quite a few benchmarks that have been published showing the Ryzen matching or beating same-core-count Intels - though usually by a SMALL margin - while running the same core clock or the Intel running a little MORE clock speed.
     Intel does still have a significant advantage on clockspeed though, which is why they're winning most of the Gaming-related benchmarks (but not by a LOT any more).
     

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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/06/03 15:41:49 (permalink)
    Intel might win the gaming, but AMD wins the productivity benchmarks.  Encoding and multitasking is so much better on Ryzen.  My E5-2670 gets spanked by Ryzen in every aspect.  I was going to upgrade to Ryzen, but now I think I will wait for Threadripper and get a case I can live inside for all the radiators I am going to need.  My Define XL is ancient and can no longer meet my needs.  So who has the biggest case of them all that can fit 4+ Rads? haha.  Figure 4 for the graphics cards, and that massive CPU is going to need a new uber sized rad, so maybe 5 rad spots needed, 6 if you get that new water cooled power supply?

     

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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/06/03 16:18:52 (permalink)
    My 3.4Ghz Haswell gets pegged to 100% on each core a folding unit is using. That's on code that is generally optimized for Intel cpus (all compilers target them by default). My system is storing all folding data on an ssd so that shouldn't be the bottleneck. The problem AMD has always had is that they don't or can't conform to the optimizations that Intel put into their chips. They need more fine tuning of code to work optimally with their chips and don't have good automatic compiler optimizations out yet. It's mostly hand tuning right now. Also for some reason their interconnect between core complexes runs at half memory speed so it really matters what speed you run your ddr4 at. The latency between complexes is murder on games and other multiprocess workloads that need to sync up regularly.
    For games there is a compelling case that consistent framerates are better on Ryzen despite this, although the epeen numbers are lower (avg and max fps). Even multithreaded workloads only beat Intel due to the increased number of threads.
    In practice servers are awesome at using individual threads that don't need to sync up all the time. Compiling and other synced threaded workloads will still favor Intel. That's just the way it is.
    So for some BOINC workloads Ryzen will excell at (up to 4 threads in the same complex) and others will be behind Intel's well optimized hyperthreading and sync features. Intel has had so much more time to optimize their systems while so far ahead of AMD in the high end cpu market. It does keep getting better as AMD works on their bios and microcode, but the slight deficit to Broadwell and above will probably not be dealt with until Ryzen 2 (the awakening).


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    Re: AMD Threadripper for F@H 2017/06/04 01:01:31 (permalink)
    If you can find one, the Enermax Fulmo GT http://www.enermax.com/home.php?fn=eng/product_a1_1_1&lv0=2&lv1=55&no=179 should easily handle all your needs.
     
    They don't say so, but if you pull one of the HD mount groups you can fit a radiator in the front - perhaps 2 or up to a triple if you pull most of the HD mounting bracketry.
    The rear 140mm fan mount MIGHT fit a radiator, but I think it would interfere with the top triple mount if you filled up the top.
     
     It's in the "new" location though, so I can't go eyeball it to measure right now to double check any of that.
     
     Thermaltake V34/V35 might be "enough" though, and is quite a bit smaller AND lower cost.
     
     The big reason Intel wins on most games is that most games are STILL SINGLE THREADED on the CPU, which favors Intel's higher clock rates and similar IPC vs Ryzen (so far).
     Very few games take advantage of even *2* cores (and the only ones that actually use MORE than that seem to only do so under DirectX 12).
     
     Ryzen is a major step in the right direction though, now AMD needs to work on ramping up the clock rates....
     

    Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
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