Ranmacanada
I wish I had your power prices :P haha.  So expensive here.  Peak is $0.18 kwh (6 hours every week day), mid peak is $0.132 (6 hours every weekday) and $0.087 off peak (12 hours every day and every weekend and holidays).
 

 Ouch.
 
 I moved out of Iowa last summer because I thought the 3-month-of-the-year summer rates (that worked out to about 14.5 cents all-up) and the other-9-months rate (worked out to about 8 cents all up) was too high.
 
 I'm now in The Land Of Very Cheap Electric where my all-up rate is under 4.6 - and if I could find an AFFORDABLE place in one of 2 adjacent counties I could get that down to under 3.
 
 
 BTW - my Gigabyte 1080 is NOT a 1million PPD card, more like 800k or so vs. 660k for one of my Gigabyte 1070 cards running in the same single-card rig (sempron 3000+ PCI-E 2x 16-bit, stock clocks, Win7).
 Nice jump over a 1070, uses VERY little more power, and it's pretty close to dead even on PPD/$ vs my GIgabyte 1070s (which ALL beat my EVGA 1070s, but fairness compells me to concede I always buy the lowest-cost or near-lowest-cost cards on sale when I buy).
 
 That Gigabyte 1070 is 180 watt TDP though, the 1080 is 200 watt (per NVidia-SMI) - NOT ALL NVida Cards limit themselves to the "founders edition" TDP levels, be carefull.
 
 
 2 1080 ti MIGHT match 3 1080, but the 1080 ti doesn't get anywhere near DOUBLE the 1080 - and it's not quite double a 1070.
 

my 1070 is able to hit those numbers. something wasnt running like it should as you should be in the 800k range.

i have posted a cheap and effective two card build on the first page of this thread if you want a reference to a cheap folding rig. other than that everything you say seems to be on the up and up. the only last thing i could think your card wasn't doing was boosting past base clock speeds. i have had this issue many times on windows machines and a few others have too.

Ah ha! So it is the boost issue. This is a windows problem and will effect whichever gpu is your primary gpu. So if you swaped the two around the msi would likely not boost but the ftw will. To get around this you can try opening the protein viewer, but make sure you turn down that high OC first else it will crash when it tries to boost to 2400.

It happened on both my x79 and x99 systems so its hardware independent. Both were windows and i havent tried newer drivers. Also for F@H memory speed doesnt effect ppd.

3 slot 3 card rig I just bought parts for (and my FIRST Intel rig since the P4 1800, and only SECOND since the Pentium-90)

It will be built with 2 x Gigabyte 1080 in slots 1 and 2 (edit - I already HAVE one of these cards and prefer cards to match in a rig as much as possible for stability), and a Gigabyte "ITX" version 1070 in slot 3 to allow acceptable cooling for the slot 2 card.

I keep wondering when EVGA will come out with a ITX-shortie type 1070 - they HAVE 1060s that way and used to have 950s (and I think 960s as well?) - but at this point the only options are the many-months-old Gigabyte or the recently-added MSI.


1 x ($119.90) SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM3 Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready $119.90

EVGA 850 G2 was on sale at the same price and would be an equally good choice, I've been using SeaSonic longer though for the tiebreaker

1 x ($99.99) GIGABYTE GA-H270-HD3 (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151 Intel H270 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Motherboards - Intel $99.99
1 x ($86.99) Intel Pentium G4600 Kaby Lake Dual-Core 3.6 GHz LGA 1151 51W BX80677G4600 Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 630 $86.99

You could drop this to a lower-level CPU (for around $40-$50), but I do "dual purpose" rigs so I went with the cheapest CPU I could find that had the highest level integrated graphics on a normal desktop - will be running BOINC/Moo Wrapper/RC5-72
I usually go AMD because their APUs blow anything Intel AWAY on that work at a similar price point.

1 x ($55.49) Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Desktop Memory Model CT2K4G4DFS8213 $55.49
I usually go GSkill Ripjaws but Crucial is my second-choice option and they were quite a bit less than the available GSkill choices this time around.


I have a spare HD to put in the machine, but I normally would probably use whatever the cheapest drive I could find is.
Figure add $20-$30 for the drive.

Going with the lower-cost GPU to be comparable, total cost for the base 3-card rig is under $350 not counting cards for a per-card cost of under $120 while maintaining at least PCI-E 8x to each card.


PCI-E 3.0 has twice the data throughput of PCI-E 2.0, so *IF* you could find an AMD motherboard with all PCI-E 2.0 16x slots that would match the throughput of the PCI-E 3.0 8x slot in your testing - but unfortunately, every AMD motherboard that is currently available that I am aware of uses 4x AT MOST in the third available slot (slot might have a 16x connector but only the 4x pins are wired) and usually has a split of the first 2 into choices of "1 x 16 or 2 x 8" with an occasional rare "1 x 16 1 x 8" option on some AM3+ boards.

Ryzen changes that, but AT THIS TIME is way too expensive for a pure-folding rig (the 1300 might get costs down to something reasonable).


On the other hand, AMD FM2/FM2+ motherboards and anything recent in Intel supports APUs so you can run your desktop on the APU and save the (small) load your desktop would put on one folding card for folding


Folding is very demanding of the entire GPU - boosting core clock helps, boosting memory speed helps, the trick is to find the optimal balance between the two.

QuintLeo
3 slot 3 card rig I just bought parts for (and my FIRST Intel rig since the P4 1800, and only SECOND since the Pentium-90)

1 x ($99.99) GIGABYTE GA-H270-HD3 (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151 Intel H270 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Motherboards - Intel $99.99
1 x ($86.99) Intel Pentium G4600 Kaby Lake Dual-Core 3.6 GHz LGA 1151 51W BX80677G4600 Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 630 $86.99

You could drop this to a lower-level CPU (for around $40-$50), but I do "dual purpose" rigs so I went with the cheapest CPU I could find that had the highest level integrated graphics on a normal desktop - will be running BOINC/Moo Wrapper/RC5-72
I usually go AMD because their APUs blow anything Intel AWAY on that work at a similar price point.

Going with the lower-cost GPU to be comparable, total cost for the base 3-card rig is under $350 not counting cards for a per-card cost of under $120 while maintaining at least PCI-E 8x to each card.


PCI-E 3.0 has twice the data throughput of PCI-E 2.0, so *IF* you could find an AMD motherboard with all PCI-E 2.0 16x slots that would match the throughput of the PCI-E 3.0 8x slot in your testing - but unfortunately, every AMD motherboard that is currently available that I am aware of uses 4x AT MOST in the third available slot (slot might have a 16x connector but only the 4x pins are wired) and usually has a split of the first 2 into choices of "1 x 16 or 2 x 8" with an occasional rare "1 x 16 1 x 8" option on some AM3+ boards.

I hope you accounted for two things.

1. That mobo has pcie slots 2 and 3 soldered to the board at a max of x4 lanes. Meaning even if you install just one gpu and its in slot 2 or 3 you will only see x4 lanes.

2. That CPU has a max of 16 pcie lanes. Meaning even if your board supported all three slots at x16 lanes the cpu would devide up the lanes to x8 on the first card and x4 on the other two.

Also just fyi i did do a study with ~600 work units on 1070's and found that pcie 2.0 x8 is only 8% lower in PPD when compared to pcie 3.0 x8. And pcie 3.0 x8 is virtually identical to pcie 3.0 x16 in PPD.

Chris21010

QuintLeo
3 slot 3 card rig I just bought parts for (and my FIRST Intel rig since the P4 1800, and only SECOND since the Pentium-90)

1 x ($99.99) GIGABYTE GA-H270-HD3 (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151 Intel H270 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Motherboards - Intel $99.99

I hope you accounted for two things.

1. That mobo has pcie slots 2 and 3 soldered to the board at a max of x4 lanes. Meaning even if you install just one gpu and its in slot 2 or 3 you will only see x4 lanes.

2. That CPU has a max of 16 pcie lanes. Meaning even if your board supported all three slots at x16 lanes the cpu would devide up the lanes to x8 on the first card and x4 on the other two.

 Hmmm, Missed point 1.
 Doesn't some of the PCI-E lanes on Intel come from the chipset, not 100% from the CPU like on most AMD setups?
 
 Even at worst though, this setup *should* be able to match the best of my AMD-based 3-card builds since those are ALL PCI-E 2.0 with at most 8x to the second slots (and usually to the first slot as well) and 4x to the third - and if it's no better it's also no more expen$ive.

Some Intel Motherboards also have and use a PLX Chip for more PCIe Lanes.
PLX" is a bit of a misnomer, PLX Technologies is (was) a manufacturer of circuit components like PCIe switches and PCIe bridges and PCIe multiplexers. What "PLX" or "PLX chip" means to most people is a chip which splices a single physical PCIe slot (or lane, or group of lanes) into more logical PCIe slots or

So i have 120 curecoins or so how do i trade them for bitcoin or spend them? I havent mind since the 290's where all the rage.

for CURE you have the options of Bittrex or Livecoin. those are currently the two exchanges that offer CURE to BTC.

I tried to set up my brother for FLDC to go straight to Bittrex, but go figure, their FLDC wallet was under maint. ...

Xantac

Chris21010
for CURE you have the options of Bittrex or Livecoin. those are currently the two exchanges that offer CURE to BTC.

thanks i looked at bittrex and couldnt figure it out. Ill look a little deeper into it

120 coins, not bad that's about 12 bucks!  What you need to do is go to bittrex, go to wallets, and then hit the + sign on the curecoin wallet in bittrex.  From there you want to copy the address if gives you, go to your curecoin wallet, and hit the send coins button and paste the address from the bittrex wallet into it.  Then confirm and wait.  And wait and wait.  Once they show up you can then sell them on the market for bitcoin :)

Chris21010

Ranmacanada
Chap from what I understand you need to use counterparty for FLDC, no if's and or buts. 

they may say this but i have used my poloniex wallet address for the last two months worth of FLDC. so far both transactions happened without a hitch. granted two transactions isnt a lot...

Really?  Well that will just make me unhappy if it's true.  Counterparty is expensive.  But it is the only wallet I understand that will allow you to use all those alt coins that fldc sometimes has.  Whcih they haven't had for some time.