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2017/05/25 14:45:30 (permalink)
Seems like this should have been covered in one of the stickies... What is Crunching and why should I consider doing it?
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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/25 15:06:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GenSeneca 2017/05/25 17:27:04
Are you familiar with Folding@home?
It is similar to that.
 
I agree that the stickies could be a little more clear on the basics.
 
Crunching refers to pretty much any distributed computing task that is not Folding@home.
A group running a research project breaks up large computer simulations or computations into smaller tasks and sends them to volunteers.
The volunteers (us) run that task on their personal PC's and send it back to be compiled into meaningful results for each project.
These projects are typically run by universities and cover many areas such as physics, medicine, mathematics, and more.
 
The majority of projects are managed by software called BOINC manager.
 
If you want to donate your computing power (CPU, GPU, or both) to further research that you may think is valuable, then this may be for you.
Satisfaction and enjoyment are the returns you get.  Some projects offer "badges" which are like achievements for various things.
We display these in our signatures 'cause we think it's cool.
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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/25 15:13:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GenSeneca 2017/05/25 17:28:51
Their is also so Old but good info here https://boinc.berkeley.edu/
 This is a good read about Crunchers A story in Nature Index discusses volunteer computing.
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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/25 15:19:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GenSeneca 2017/05/25 17:28:52
WCG looks for cures for cancer, Aids, Ebola, Zika also clean air and water, Gnome work, among other tings off and on.
Primegrid looks for the some of the largest prime numbers.
Rosetta is like folding at home, only on CPU
Setti is looking for signals from otter space.
POGS is mapping the stars.
 
We are a group who like to stay busy doing challenges of all kinds as well as a project of the month, chosen in turn by members.
We also feel that members can do as much or as little as they want to.
No pressure to do anything at all. Kind of laid back.
But some of us enjoy the competition and challenges, in house or VS other teams.

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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/25 17:49:55 (permalink)
All very helpful replies, thanks fellas!
 
I was pointed to the Crunchers because I have a number of old CPU's that aren't useful for folding, so it was suggested they may be useful for crunching. I'd found this chart helpful for looking at my options for folding: https://docs.google.com/s...viWWveJIg_iZ8U2bf0/pub
 
I didn't see anything similar on here for crunching but it's possible I overlooked it... I'll keep poking around the forum for answers to my other questions.
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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/25 18:27:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby GenSeneca 2017/05/25 20:14:34
GPU crunching is kind of similar to folding in that the faster newer ones perform better than the older ones. Many projects are CPU only and most send you a task per core or thread so my i5's will do 4 tasks at once and i7's will do 8. Server processors are even better. Speed is less important and that's why a list like the one you linked to would be difficult for CPU's. And each project treat's credit differently so that adds to the problem.


 

 
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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/26 10:39:39 (permalink)
I've been looking at the "projects" and there's quite a few... Do many/any of you split rig time between folding/crunching/mining/etc. or do you have dedicated systems for each?
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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/26 10:46:00 (permalink)
I will fold on GPU and crunch on CPU, or crunch on both CPU and GPU.
As far as crunching goes, I will focus on a couple projects at a time, or run whatever the latest event calls for.
 
My main PC probably folds or crunches about 60% of the time, since I will game on it, watch tv/moves, etc. especially on weekends.
Many of us build dedicated machines to run 24/7, which can be cost effective if you build it using used or spare parts and keep power usage in mind.
 
Some projects are fine to run while browsing the web, etc., and some will cause noticeable "lag" if they are allowed to use 100% of system resources.
 

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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/26 11:21:04 (permalink)
I dedicate 1 gpu core per gpu for folding and use the rest for crunching. I find it's best to pick a project and run it exclusively switching the whole machine to different projects if something comes up. Some projects get a little odd when splitting computer time. It also makes it better for multi core workloads to run.


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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/26 11:33:56 (permalink)
I have a couple dual socket and quad socket servers with up to 48 cores and a couple single socket boards with xeons 12 threads.
In the Winter I run just about everything 24/7 100% loaded to heat my house. Here in NY it gets cold in the Winter.
In the warmer weather i cut way back and just run one or two servers 24/7. Too much heat to cool off the house.
It gets hot here in NY in the summer and electric is not cheap here.
Challenges and POTM I will fire up a few  extra threads to help out.

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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/26 15:48:16 (permalink)
Those are some good points.
 
Make sure to leave one core available per GPU and stick to one crunching project per machine for the least amount of headaches.
There is some trial and error in finding which crunching projects "play well" together.

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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/27 13:54:33 (permalink)
Great question and really good answers. I was doing nothing but folding until I heard of crunching. The posters above gave me some help getting started. Bcavnaugh was tireless as I asked so many questions but there are lots of projects to choose from, for example GPUGRID is the crunching equivalent to folding and it is a GPU heavy project
 
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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/28 00:12:39 (permalink)
I mostly have "mixed" rigs (the ones that aren't are my current "gaming" rig, my older "APUs didn't exist yet at the time" rigs, and a couple of other rigs I built last year for specific purposes).
 The last 2 rigs and the next rig I have parts "on the way" for (2x AMD A10-7890K based, one Intel Kaby Lake ... G4600 I think? ... based):
 
 Discrete NVidia cards (AMD rigs 3x1070, Intel "next" rig will be 2x1080 1x1070 for cooling reasons) run Folding@Home except when I have pulled them out to do cryptocoin mining work on them to pay the bills.
 
 GPU side of the APU works the Distributed.Net RC5-72 project via BOINC / Moo Wrapper.
(pretty much ALL of my APUs do this, as the project in question needs almost ZERO memory access which makes them equally efficient per core/Mhz vs a discrete card with the same core/Mhz, and I'm a VERY long-term Distributed.Net participant, going back to DES days when I was running a BUNCH of AMD K5 based machines - the only APU that does NOT do so in on an old XP-based gaming rig I don't want to mess up).
 
 CPU side of the APU feeds the Folding cards, and mines BURST coin (not worth a lot, but better than wasting the excess HD space and doesn't need a LOT of CPU to mine it with).
 I used to assign my all of my 64-bit CPUs to the GIMPS project, but Folding needs too much CPU support and that was messing up either GIMPS or [link=mailto:F@H,]F@H,[/link] so I gave up on GIMPS.
 
 I haven't "crunched" for EVGA, but I've been a "cruncher" for almost 20 years now.
 http://stats.distributed.net/participant/phistory.php?project_id=205&id=414669
 
 Basically, if you see "QuintLeo" in DNet, GIMPS, Folding, or almost anywhere else. it's almost definitely me (there have been a couple of incidents of someone pretending to be me, though not that I've ever seen in distributed Internet type projects).
 

Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
 I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
 
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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/28 01:04:35 (permalink)
Are/were you a LEO?

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Re: What is "Crunching"? 2017/05/28 17:13:49 (permalink)
Am. 5 times over.
Birthsign.
Ascendent.
Moon.
Mercury.
Uranus.
"QuintLeo" came about because EFNet had a 9 character limit and "QuintupleLeo" didn't fit.
 
 

Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding.
 I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
 
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