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2017/05/15 07:48:19 (permalink)
I'm putting parts together for another folding rig.
 
My question is:
 
Z270 is limited to 16 PCIe lanes - the i7-7700 ($320) has 16, but so does the much cheaper i5-7400 ($180).
 
If I put 2-3 1080ti in it, how much would I really be limited?
 
There would still be enough cores for each GPU, yes the PCIe lanes suck but the cost to go X99 and 6 cores I feel isn't worth the minuscule drop in points of going to x4.

 
 

 
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 08:47:49 (permalink)
I would stick with the i5. It's a much better deal and the hyperthreading doesn't help all that much for folding.


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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 08:57:40 (permalink)
GPU only Folding ?
 
Your MB will determine how the PCIe lanes are used. Slots, speed, sharing ....
 
PCIe 3.0 and a min of 8x is required for folding with multiple 10 series GPU

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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 10:15:00 (permalink)
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GPU only Folding ?
 
Your MB will determine how the PCIe lanes are used. Slots, speed, sharing ....
 
PCIe 3.0 and a min of 8x is required for folding with multiple 10 series GPU


I wouldnt say required but it is definitely recommended to have 8 lanes on a pcie 3.0 buss. Also i have an i-3 dual core running a 1080ti and 1070 with 1.8 mppd estimated. As long as you are able to keep a core dedicated to nothing but folding then you shouldnt see a perfomance hit. If you want take a look here at my recommended F@H build if you are buying all new parts: https://forums.evga.com/m..aspx?m=2642140&fp=1


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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 10:53:55 (permalink)
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GPU only Folding ?
 
Your MB will determine how the PCIe lanes are used. Slots, speed, sharing ....
 
PCIe 3.0 and a min of 8x is required for folding with multiple 10 series GPU


I wouldnt say required but it is definitely recommended to have 8 lanes on a pcie 3.0 buss. Also i have an i-3 dual core running a 1080ti and 1070 with 1.8 mppd estimated. As long as you are able to keep a core dedicated to nothing but folding then you shouldnt see a perfomance hit. If you want take a look here at my recommended F@H build if you are buying all new parts: https://forums.evga.com/m..aspx?m=2642140&fp=1



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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 11:25:29 (permalink)
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GPU only Folding ?
 
Your MB will determine how the PCIe lanes are used. Slots, speed, sharing ....
 
PCIe 3.0 and a min of 8x is required for folding with multiple 10 series GPU


I wouldnt say required but it is definitely recommended to have 8 lanes on a pcie 3.0 buss. Also i have an i-3 dual core running a 1080ti and 1070 with 1.8 mppd estimated. As long as you are able to keep a core dedicated to nothing but folding then you shouldnt see a perfomance hit. If you want take a look here at my recommended F@H build if you are buying all new parts: https://forums.evga.com/m..aspx?m=2642140&fp=1



So an i3 would be fine? I think an 850w PSU is the lowest I would go for 3 cards (possibly vega).
 
Can windows 10 fit on a 32GB drive?
 
Also only 4GB of ram is ok?

Otherwise those are the parts I picked! except I've got a Captain 120 for the CPU - but I suppose that may not be needed on a 51w cpu...
and windows 10
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 13:13:14 (permalink)
If this is just a folding rig go with free linux mint. An i-3 and 850w is fine for 2x 1080ti but if you want enough for 3 you will need an i-5 and 1000w power supply. As for ram you need 1gb for system and 1gb per work unit, so 4gb is minimum for a 3 card system. I built mine around a two card limit.

Edit: keep in mind though that the 3rd pcie slot could be limited to only x4 or even x1, look at the specs closely.
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 13:26:42 (permalink)
I have no experience with Linux, but for $100 maybe it's time to learn.
 
It would be a folding only rig, does a logical processor not count for having one 1 CPU core to each GPU?
 
Thanks for the help!

 
 

 
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 13:31:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chap34 2017/05/16 05:00:16
yes a hyper threaded core does count but i am not certain as to how a hyper threaded dual core i-3 will handle two, much less 3, 1080ti's. i know it worked fine for two 1070's but i can not guarantee it wouldn't bottleneck the 1080ti. if you are willing to take the risk and possibly return it for a quad core i would be interested in knowing how that i-3 handles 2-3 1080ti's.
 
also as for the linux setup if you are willing i can share all i did to get mine setup and we could even try and work on a linux setup guide, if you want. i have thought about doing it but i do not wanna start from scratch to make an accurate guide.


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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 13:37:52 (permalink)
Hmmm, I'm not sure that newegg would allow returns, i'd have to get it off Jet.com
 
Hmm, I looked at the website for Linux real quick, I figured I'd have to download it to a USB stick and then boot from that, but as far as how to browse the internet and any other details, I have no idea. So a guide on surprises you incurred would be great!

 
 

 
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 13:42:44 (permalink)
ya the install process is very simple for linux mint, just need a bootable usb flash drive. so if you want shoot me a PM with some form of contact so we can chat a little more directly about the details and we can get that guide made for all to access.


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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/15 20:05:42 (permalink)
I would be very interested in a guide for Folding with Linux Mint 

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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/25 15:37:53 (permalink)
I've never used Mint, but most major LINUX distributions are supported by FAH - my current LINUX rigs are XUbuntu (Ubuntu with the XFCE windows manager) because Ubuntu is widely supported for distributed projects and cryptocoin mining, but I have previously done folding on Slackware (which isn't nearly as widely supported, very odd as it's THE longest-lived LINUX distribution).
 
 As I recall Mint is part of the "debian" tree with Ubuntu, so anything that runs on Ubuntu should work equally well on Mint and probably can use the same installation instructions.
 
 Ubuntu and Xubuntu still have the option to create a DVD (which is LIVE bootable), but you can use a USB on them if you prefer that option.
 

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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/25 15:42:03 (permalink)
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 Ubuntu and Xubuntu still have the option to create a DVD (which is LIVE bootable), but you can use a USB on them if you prefer that option.


Do yoi know if you can create a bootable version of linux after you install all the F@H software?


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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/26 14:59:31 (permalink)
It should be possible, but I've only done it on USB key installations to date, and you're going to have issues with your work directories going "poof" every time you have to reboot or lose power since you can't store THOSE on a DVD unless you have a HD (USB key acting like a HD) in the system to work with - at which point you might as well install to the HD/USB.
 
 
 

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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/26 15:12:00 (permalink)
You can, but performance will suffer heavily. The themselves are not fast enough for the task. I've done it, but it's not pretty.


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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/26 15:37:30 (permalink)
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Do yoi know if you can create a bootable version of linux after you install all the F@H software?

Sure, there are a few different ways to do it: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/keep-portable-ubuntu-installation-wherever-go/
 
If you don't need to use it with multiple machines, probably easiest to just install the full OS to a second USB stick from the bootable one.
 
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You can, but performance will suffer heavily. The themselves are not fast enough for the task. I've done it, but it's not pretty.

 
Just get a faster drive ;) A good USB3 drive will be just as fast as an internal drive, you can even get USB3 mSata/m.2 enclosures and use your own drive.
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/26 16:54:24 (permalink)
I run the [H]orde folding appliance on a 8gb usb drive, or a 80gb velociraptor drive for a little less lag.
it is Ubuntu based and after folding is installed I can plug it in from computer to computer and it works fine.
It also sets up a small memory hard drive for folding and BOINC to work off of, does automatic backup when rebooting and so on.
 
Just a heads up, I do believe you can not make a disk with folding installed for distribution.
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/26 19:13:56 (permalink)
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I run the [H]orde folding appliance on a 8gb usb drive, or a 80gb velociraptor drive for a little less lag.
 

 
 
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/26 19:36:55 (permalink)
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I run the [H]orde folding appliance on a 8gb usb drive, or a 80gb velociraptor drive for a little less lag.
 

 
 
 Link(s)?
 
 Also, why Burn (good song) over Machine Head (great albumn)?
 
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/26 20:35:15 (permalink)
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GPU only Folding ?
 
Your MB will determine how the PCIe lanes are used. Slots, speed, sharing ....
 
PCIe 3.0 and a min of 8x is required for folding with multiple 10 series GPU




 Not required, but 8 lanes at PCI-E 3.0 or 16 at PCI-E 2.0 seem to be needed to get maximum throughput out of a 1070 or higher.
 It's not a HUGE difference though - I stlll see 600k or CLOSE to that on my Gigabyte "ITX" model 1070 cards running on PCI-E 2.0 4-lane slots.
 
 
 I'm pretty well aware of Richie's background (including the early days in Screaming Lord Sutch, the *2* stints in DP, the time in Rainbow between the 2 DP stints, the recent revival of Rainbow, and the time doing Renn music with his GF/Wife after Rainbow's first stint).
 
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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/26 21:25:40 (permalink)
Not sure if it matters at this point but I would probably do the i5 over the i7 unless you are planning to do some heavy duty gaming though really the i5 can run almost anything and it seems like the GPU is more of the deciding factor.

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Re: i5 or i7? 2017/05/28 23:16:17 (permalink)
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Not sure if it matters at this point but I would probably do the i5 over the i7 unless you are planning to do some heavy duty gaming though really the i5 can run almost anything and it seems like the GPU is more of the deciding factor.


Even an i5 is overkill for a dedicated folding rig.
G-series Celeron with as many cores as you have GPUs is definitely enough, and you might be able to get away with a dual-core on a 3-card rig.
 
 For a rig you both game AND fold on, I'd go for the i7 - it might be overkill for most CURRENT games, but it does make a difference on some of the newer DX12 titles, especially Ashes of the Singularity:Escalation that seems to like as many cores (but NOT hyperthreaded semi-sorta-cores nearly as much) as you can throw at it up to about 10.
 
 For most games though, the highest CLOCK rate matters a lot more as most games do almost all the work on a single core (which is why Ryzen isn't holding up as well in most games as it does in overall usage, AMD is still lagging Intel somewhat on raw clock rates though they DID finally fix their long-standing lack of IPC competativeness vs the Core-based lines).
 
 

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