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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/06/22 20:02:29 (permalink)
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We are planning to release a separate 1080 Ti Hybrid, designed to work with cards like the 1080 Ti SC Black Edition and 1080 Ti SC2. Jacob's mentioned it before, but it will still be a little while before we receive them.  The backplates are usable with the newer Hybrid kit, as well. You can't really compare the kits, because the newer one will be similar to the SC2 Hybrid, while the current 5388 kit is based on the regular design of a custom full-PCB baseplate and shroud.  The accessories, including screws, are different, as well.  
 
The main issue stems from the fact that the SC Black Edition backplate screw holes are a little larger than the holes in the Founders Edition, while the SC Black Edition screws are thinner than the standoff screws used between the PCB and backplate on the Founders Edition.  Founders Edition backplates have two very small squares of thermal pads, total; on the other hand, the SC Black Edition and other iCX Cooling/Tech cards have a great number of thermal pads and are designed to be used without standoffs.  Although the 5388 kit does provide screws for a compatible card to be used without a backplate (in addition to the screws provided for compatible backplates), those screws are not long enough to be used with a backplate, and would be too thick to work with a 1080 Ti using an iCX Cooling backplate.
 
To illustrate, here's a picture of the screws side by side:

 
The top two screws are used as the Founders Edition backplate screws and standoff screws, used between the PCB and backplate, respectively.  The third screw is used for cards which cannot use a backplate (includes 1080 Ti Black Edition, but also 1080/1070 cards in the compatibility list, as well).  The last screw is used on iCX Cooling backplates.  You can see that's a bit longer to cover the distance between the backplate and baseplate, but thicker than than the top screw, and thinner than the standoff screw.  Unfortunately, there isn't much room to find a screw that would let you use the 5388 Hybrid Kit and a 1080 Ti SC Black Edition backplate.  
 
If you're dead-set on using a Hybrid kit and a 1080 Ti SC Black Edition card with its backplate, then I encourage you to wait until the next Hybrid kit comes out.
 




This is the most solid information we've received on this thread (or any thread I can find), so I really do appreciate the update and the illustrative picture. 
At this point, it seems that owners of the 1080ti SC Black have two choices - 1) use the current hybrid kit available, but cannot install the back plate (and Jacob's post explained that the back plate is purely cosmetic),  or 2) wait for the updated hybrid kit which will be fully compatible with the SC Black backplate.
 
This is great information for everyone. I am sure you cannot give a solid date or range, or a date we can hold you to, but is there any sort of timeline at all for this to put things in perspective? As vague as you can be... this summer, or this year, or etc. Just because since it is a cosmetic issue that many of us are being picky about, we can weigh our options on this tough call, and decide to upgrade now or wait. We're all enthusiasts in this thing together with a common goal of loving EVGA products, so I think we are all on the same page. :)  Thanks again for your awesome update! 
 
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/06/22 21:41:08 (permalink)
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very quick update just took of cooler you have to use the screws that come with the kit the black edition backplate screws are part of the backplate and can't be removed.




So how did it end up? Best of luck to you. :) 
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/06/23 05:28:13 (permalink)
need new backplate screwed to use the backplate that will be the only way you are going to use the blackplate.The cooler are a great product temps between 37 to 50 .using sli so top card gets to 50 best thing I every spend money on.

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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/06/23 06:02:15 (permalink)
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We are planning to release a separate 1080 Ti Hybrid, designed to work with cards like the 1080 Ti SC Black Edition and 1080 Ti SC2. Jacob's mentioned it before, but it will still be a little while before we receive them.  The backplates are usable with the newer Hybrid kit, as well. You can't really compare the kits, because the newer one will be similar to the SC2 Hybrid, while the current 5388 kit is based on the regular design of a custom full-PCB baseplate and shroud.  The accessories, including screws, are different, as well.  
 
The main issue stems from the fact that the SC Black Edition backplate screw holes are a little larger than the holes in the Founders Edition, while the SC Black Edition screws are thinner than the standoff screws used between the PCB and backplate on the Founders Edition.  Founders Edition backplates have two very small squares of thermal pads, total; on the other hand, the SC Black Edition and other iCX Cooling/Tech cards have a great number of thermal pads and are designed to be used without standoffs.  Although the 5388 kit does provide screws for a compatible card to be used without a backplate (in addition to the screws provided for compatible backplates), those screws are not long enough to be used with a backplate, and would be too thick to work with a 1080 Ti using an iCX Cooling backplate.
 
To illustrate, here's a picture of the screws side by side:

 
The top two screws are used as the Founders Edition backplate screws and standoff screws, used between the PCB and backplate, respectively.  The third screw is used for cards which cannot use a backplate (includes 1080 Ti Black Edition, but also 1080/1070 cards in the compatibility list, as well).  The last screw is used on iCX Cooling backplates.  You can see that's a bit longer to cover the distance between the backplate and baseplate, but thicker than than the top screw, and thinner than the standoff screw.  Unfortunately, there isn't much room to find a screw that would let you use the 5388 Hybrid Kit and a 1080 Ti SC Black Edition backplate.  
 
If you're dead-set on using a Hybrid kit and a 1080 Ti SC Black Edition card with its backplate, then I encourage you to wait until the next Hybrid kit comes out.
 



Thank you! I appreciate you keeping us in the loop throughout this thread. This is exactly the type of information that we needed. I am looking forward to hearing more about the SC2 style Hybrid kit now that I know it will be fully compatible with the SC Black (backplate included). I would definitely be interesting in ordering one. It would be great if it shows up relatively soon as summer is starting to ramp up here and temps are rising.

 
 
 
 
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/06/23 10:24:27 (permalink)
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Thank you! I appreciate you keeping us in the loop throughout this thread. This is exactly the type of information that we needed. I am looking forward to hearing more about the SC2 style Hybrid kit now that I know it will be fully compatible with the SC Black (backplate included). I would definitely be interesting in ordering one. It would be great if it shows up relatively soon as summer is starting to ramp up here and temps are rising.




Hoping for this summer as well. "Will still be a little while" doesn't give us much of a hint of how long we'll have to wait. Depending on how long 'a little while' is, I may just go for the current version and not use a backplate. Feels bad to see my card go into the high 80s at full load. Knowing a new kit is coming is great, but I was almost hoping the solution was going to be as easy as sending registered SC Black owners a baggie of the correct screws upon request.

It'll be interesting to see how this new hybrid kit will work. It is my understanding that the SC Black is most similar to the Founders Edition, which made it easily compatible with the kit. Meanwhile, the SC2 has more going on (with the extra sensors, etc.) and that makes it non-compatble with the current hybrid kit. So I wonder how a new hybrid kit will work with the SC Black AND the SC2, as was suggested. They seem different enough that I wouldn't think they'd share a common hybrid kit. I guess we'll wait and see. This whole thing sure is confusing, but at least we got some good info, finally.
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/06/23 10:30:40 (permalink)
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need new backplate screwed to use the backplate that will be the only way you are going to use the blackplate.The cooler are a great product temps between 37 to 50 .using sli so top card gets to 50 best thing I every spend money on.


So you installed the hybrid kit and left the backplate off? Sounds like your temps are really nice. How is it without the backplate? Not too ugly? I don't even know what it looks like, or what color the card is without backplate, etc.. Hopefully not too bad.
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/06/23 10:59:27 (permalink)
I use sli so the last card you cant see and I have a sound card on top of the first card so you only see a little. But I love the hydro coolers .only play for 2 houres last night to see the temps. I will never go back to air. Will take pic tonight.

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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/06/23 11:48:14 (permalink)
I guess I'll just have to live with it as is. The backplate is not that important to me and given the screw information it isn't worth messing with.


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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/13 13:35:29 (permalink)
It looks like a new revision of the Hybrid Kit has just been released (part 400-HY-5598-B1 - https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5598-B1). This looks much more in line with the SC2 style design. I assume that this is the previously hinted redesign that will be fully compatible with the 1080Ti SC Black (and other cards) and allow the backplate to be re-installed. Can anyone confirm?
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/13 13:55:35 (permalink)
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It looks like a new revision of the Hybrid Kit has just been released (part 400-HY-5598-B1 - https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5598-B1). This looks much more in line with the SC2 style design. I assume that this is the previously hinted redesign that will be compatible with the SC Black and other non-FE cards, including full support for the backplates. Can anyone confirm?


I will confirm.  Backplates can be used with Founders/Blower, Black Editions, and iCX Tech 1080 Ti models (excluding FTW3 and KPE models, of course).
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/13 13:57:48 (permalink)
The Hybrid is IN STOCK ATM, Picked up two for Myself and the Black Ti is on sale today $10 off the listed Price
 
But this is the Better Card EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition GAMING, 11G-P4-6393-KR, 11GB GDDR5X, iCX Cooler & LED 
In Stock on Newegg ATM
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/13 13:57:49 (permalink)
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It looks like a new revision of the Hybrid Kit has just been released (part 400-HY-5598-B1 - https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5598-B1). This looks much more in line with the SC2 style design. I assume that this is the previously hinted redesign that will be compatible with the SC Black and other non-FE cards, including full support for the backplates. Can anyone confirm?


I will confirm.  Backplates can be used with Founders/Blower, Black Editions, and iCX Tech 1080 Ti models (excluding FTW3 and KPE models, of course).




Thanks for the quick follow up. Just placed my order!

 
 
 
 
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/13 14:19:33 (permalink)

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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/20 19:28:33 (permalink)
Any updates on this? Does this kit 400-HY-5598-B1 ( support the backplate of the 1080 Ti Black Edition?
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/20 21:51:21 (permalink)
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Any updates on this? Does this kit 400-HY-5598-B1 ( support the backplate of the 1080 Ti Black Edition?


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It looks like a new revision of the Hybrid Kit has just been released (part 400-HY-5598-B1 - https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5598-B1). This looks much more in line with the SC2 style design. I assume that this is the previously hinted redesign that will be compatible with the SC Black and other non-FE cards, including full support for the backplates. Can anyone confirm?


I will confirm.  Backplates can be used with Founders/Blower, Black Editions, and iCX Tech 1080 Ti models (excluding FTW3 and KPE models, of course).






 

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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/21 06:07:16 (permalink)
Just to confirm (since I'm having trouble making sense of the various EVGA replies), there is no way to use the SC Black Edition in its entirety (backplate and all) using the 'original' 1080 Ti Hybrid Kit?  Are there screws provided by EVGA _or_ screws I can purchase separately that will make this work?
 
I was one of the early adopter folks who saw the Black Edition was fully compatible (my definition includes a working backplate for aesthetics) with the original 1080 Ti Hybrid Kit.  I didn't purchase from other OEMs and instead waited patiently for an EVGA card knowing their track record of quality products, solid customer support and the ability to put this on water via the Hybrid Kit if I felt the noise was too much.  The terrible instructions, poor branding and labeling (my kit's box said it was for a 1080, not a 1080 Ti - rush to market maybe?) should have been early indicators that this wasn't going to go as planned.  I kind of feel like a fool now for spending more than I would have on a OEM installed Hybrid card (with a backplate) on top of not being able to take advantage of the product I purchased in its entirety.  I understand the backplate is more of an 'aesthetic' feature and might seem like minutia to some but when you are paying $700 for a video card + $150 for a water cooler you probably want to show it off a bit.
 
Pretty frustrating EVGA - I hate to be that guy making a mountain out of (what many might see) as a mole hill but every other OEM has stepped up their game massively over the past few years.  I really really REALLY want to support EVGA, especially given they are one of the few, if only, American hardware companies producing nVidia video cards - its now a little tougher for me to justify looking to you in the future.
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/21 06:36:46 (permalink)
So far EVGA won't say if the screw makes a difference. I wish they'd just let us know what screw dimensions we need for the backplate to fit.
Mine is installed without the backplate for now. I can't swing another 170 bucks on a new hybrid kit.


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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/21 08:13:42 (permalink)
I need to email support to see if they will sell just the parts and screws.or if someone else would like to do it.

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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/07/21 09:34:49 (permalink)
I emailed support as well to confirm the new sku. Hopefully they tell us if 400-HY-5598-B1 supports the backplate. I read through the instruction manual and it appears that it does... I just don't want to drop $169.99 without a "Confirmed, you're good dude."
 
Update:
 
Hello,

Yes, I have double-checked and the 1080Ti SC Hybrid cooler is compatible with the backplate of the 1080Ti Black Edition. There are instructions in that Hybrid cooler's installation manual on how to reinstall the backplate.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any other questions.

Regards,
EVGA

 
Time to place an order.
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Re: 1080 Ti Black Edition Backplate with Hybrid Cooler 2017/08/09 11:15:37 (permalink)
Guessing nobody has found a screw that will allow us to use the backplate with the 'original' 1080 Ti Hybrid Kit?
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