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2017/04/24 20:51:26 (permalink)
I know CPU delidding is not commonly popular. I just did it my self because I want to push my CPU further and was hitting a thermal limit.
Just wondering what other peoples results were. No need to worry about pictures if you don't have any.
 
Both tests were only tested for 20 minutes with just the CPU stress test from Aida64.
Temps were steady and not changing after that amount of time.
What you want to be looking at is the temps down the Maximum column.
Intel TIM

 
Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra between die and IHS, and IHS and water block.

 Yes, that is a 25C degree difference you are seeing. Which is above average from what I have been reading when I was doing my research.
 
CPU Voltage at load is actually 1.437v. Aida64 does not report the correct voltage for CPU.
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/25 23:35:07 (permalink)
    did you use the rockit88?
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/26 00:27:57 (permalink)
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    did you use the rockit88?


    Yes, super easy and works great. Cleaning the die and PCB is more dangerous than the actual delidding.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/26 01:21:59 (permalink)
    how did you reapply the glue or adhesive to the lid? ive seen a few different methods
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/26 13:27:27 (permalink)
    I used super glue. I did forget to leave the gap that Intel leaves when they glue thiers down. Not sure how important that is. If I was doing another one, I would just glue each corner. I also used the Rockit88 relid tool.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/26 13:35:27 (permalink)
    I bought the gelid gc extreme thermal compound along with some locktite superglue gel control for the lid.should I outline the lid with the locktite and leave the gap? or just secure the corners with it? also, how did u get the glue off the die? some reviews say to use a paper towel. thanks for the help lovha
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/26 17:15:01 (permalink)
    I very carefully and painstakingly used an exacto knife and cut the glue off the PCB. I didn't have any rubbing alcohol at the time otherwise that would be the best bet with some paper towel. The goal is to have nothing that raises the IHS off the die.

    Just glue the corners. Make sure you glue it back on in the correct orientation.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/28 05:23:37 (permalink)
    I just did a delid two days ago  on my 7700K.  I used the Rockit88, CL LM Ultra for the TIM and used Permatex water pump RTV to reglue the IHS, this stuff is supposed to be easy to remove in case I need to remove the lid again. 
     
    I ended up getting a decent temp drop, 15 is all I was able top record though.  Before the delid when I attempted 5.1 Ghz the temp shot up to 90 fairly quickly so I just stopped the stress test, I don't know where the temp would had peaked at.  This shot if after a Realbench stress test.  I also played 2 hours of BF1 with theses settings with no stability issues.  Overall I was very happy with the results although I may not have used enough liquid metal, my application was not the shiny pool that I saw on most videos. 
     

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/28 06:52:18 (permalink)
    Depending on how thick your glue is, can be another factor on temps. Noticed some videos people would put TIM on the IHS and die. Only need to do this though really if you are using anything like what Intel used.
    Using super glue, the IHS gets as close to the die as possible. Even saw a gif of an IHS spinning, so I only did the die and used super glue. I used just enough to put a thin coat.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/28 07:17:21 (permalink)
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    Depending on how thick your glue is, can be another factor on temps. Noticed some videos people would put TIM on the IHS and die. Only need to do this though really if you are using anything like what Intel used.
    Using super glue, the IHS gets as close to the die as possible. Even saw a gif of an IHS spinning, so I only did the die and used super glue. I used just enough to put a thin coat.



    Somewhere I read a theory that the glue they used was causing the poor thermal performance,  I was going to use superglue for this reason but someone said it may be harder to remove, I even though about not gluing it at all but I wanted some sort of glue, I put a BB sized dot on and old card and uses a toothpick to put a small bead on the rim of the IHS, my thought was that it would allow for closer contact but would remove more easily. 
    Your results are quite impressive.  I may not have use enough TIM on the AIO water block, I was at the end of my tube so I ordered more and will re apply to see if that helps with mine.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/29 03:35:32 (permalink)
    the rockit88 worked thanks to loveha, and all the tutorials ive read on the subject
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/29 03:42:35 (permalink)
    Deliding can be fun if you have skills and knowledge. I didn't see it mentioned but just to let everyone know that if you delid a processor the warranty is void.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/29 03:58:57 (permalink)
    I think the whole voided warranty is a given lol. Also with the tools out there now, it takes little to no skill. The Rockit88, and the Dr. Delid from AquaComputer make it incredibly easy.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/30 01:10:41 (permalink)
    I saw results with i7-7700K are great after customers remove Intel's paste.
    OC go and on 5.2GHz...
     

     
    But its time to Intel design so fast CPU with 6 cores, capable to work on 5.0GHz.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/30 12:27:26 (permalink)
    im debating on doing this, my cpu hits 67c with 4.4 OC so i know it will shoot up if i go higher right now.  bad thing is the cost, you use it once maybe twice and thats it. maybe do a rental thing, buy it and then rent it to others lol

                                   
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/30 12:54:29 (permalink)
    I delided a 4790K gained about 400mhtz, temps were 15c lower.
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/30 14:08:27 (permalink)
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    im debating on doing this, my cpu hits 67c with 4.4 OC so i know it will shoot up if i go higher right now.  bad thing is the cost, you use it once maybe twice and thats it. maybe do a rental thing, buy it and then rent it to others lol




    You can charge for deliding processors. 
    Intel launched 5th model with cheap paste.
    They should launch this tool with Haswell i7-4770K.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/04/30 20:40:58 (permalink)
    I thought about offering delid services. Then once I thought about the cost of Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra, shipping the processor back, and that I have no way to test the CPU easily, it makes no financial sense.
    Also, there is STILL that tiny chance something could happen. So I would be charging anywhere from $35 to $45. So once you factor the delid tool, relid tool, Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra, and shipping, YOU are in it for about $55.
    How many CPU's would I have to do to reach a safety net in case something goes wrong?
    Say I take in $20 just for CPU insurance, and an i7 7700K is $350, that is 17.5 CPU delids.
    About every three delids I would need a new tube of TIM at $13. Shipping your CPU, lets just say $5.
     
    For my first 18 delids...
    $45 Delid Fee x 3 = $135
    -$20 x 3 for first 18 delids = $75
    -$15 for new TIM = $60
    -$5 x 3 for shipping = $45
    So I would intake $15 for my time on each CPU.
     
    After I have the broken CPU insurance money.
    $45 Fee x 3 = $135
    -$15 New TIM = $120
    -$5 Shipping x 3 = $105
     I take in $35 for each CPU.
     
    This is not accounting for the alcohol and glue which would last long enough to not really factor to much into the cost.
    So while it wouldn't be that bad, I have no way to test all of the LGA 115X CPUs. If I had the motherboards, and enough people interested in it to begin with, then yea, shops open.
    So really, find someone already doing it, or do like I did, spend the $50, and have a delid tool sitting around for when you upgrade next. I don't see Intel going back to solder for the LGA 115X line of CPU.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/01 03:02:11 (permalink)
    I like more to stay with processors where deliding is not possible and heat transfer is much better.
    1800X, i7-5820K, i7-5930K, i7-6900K, i7-6950X... that's better.
     

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/01 03:12:54 (permalink)
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    I like more to stay with processors where deliding is not possible and heat transfer is much better.
    1800X, i7-5820K, i7-5930K, i7-6900K, i7-6950X... that's better.
     


    Also where price is much higher, unless you are looking at AMD.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/01 07:44:04 (permalink)
    you could advertise on CL with a disclaimer. I thought about just selling my chip and buying one from silicone lottery. but wheres the fun in that
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/08 09:48:44 (permalink)
    Just dont do this when you do 

     
    thats actually a old C2Q 775 that was dead anyways, but you can see the solder and what happens when you try and pop the top to have a look, two dual core dies under one roof, guess one was stronger than the other 
    funny thing is i have done other 775 cpu's and they did not use solder, they were lower end celeron chips though, one P4 chip was also soldered. so it seems that intel decided to go with lower end way with a high end chip this time
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/08 12:01:23 (permalink)
    i wonder if lapping the IHS while its off would help any further? i would think a nice mirror finish would help, I just dont know if it would reduce the contact and adversely effect temps. 

                                   
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/08 20:02:50 (permalink)
    I thought about lapping the CPU, but decided not to, do to how long it would take me. Maybe my next upgrade if they are still using TIM and I delid. My system was in use and I didn't want to be without my computer for the weekend.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/10 03:21:20 (permalink)
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    I thought about lapping the CPU, but decided not to, do to how long it would take me. Maybe my next upgrade if they are still using TIM and I delid. My system was in use and I didn't want to be without my computer for the weekend.

    the out side (top) should only take a few hrs, since i'll be voiding my warranty anyways might as well get that mirror finish i like, i have some fiber optic polishing film that will make it glass smooth, i do wonder though if you get the IHS and cooler surfaces both smooth as glass if you would even need TIM,  the fit is so good that it even creates a vacuum. 

                                   
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/10 04:28:34 (permalink)
    Wouldn't hurt to test it. Thermal transfer would be sufficient till you started stress testing. That would be the test.

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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/10 12:33:46 (permalink)
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    Wouldn't hurt to test it. Thermal transfer would be sufficient till you started stress testing. That would be the test.

    the thought is since thermal materials are there just to fill in the gaps of two mating surfaces then the the lesser the gaps or voids the less TIM you would need up to the point were the surfaces are so polished that no TIM would be needed, probably a pipe dream but worth looking into since two pure copper surfaces properly mated should in theory have very little resistance to heat transfer.  

                                   
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    Re: Your Delid Results 2017/05/31 18:19:29 (permalink)
    The rockit88 is a great tool

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