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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/03/31 17:20:12
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I worry that the 1080Ti may struggle 2-3 years down the line with 4K at 144+ Hz when games start coming out and demanding more power.
Any thoughts?
TL;DR
2K or 4K for future proofing a system?
(Prefer great colors/graphics over resolution)
So, what's the final word? What did you decide to go with?
Yeah I'd like to know that too.
I installed my 1080 Ti last night... ran/benchmarked GTA 5, RE7, Witcher 3 and all were getting 55-60 fps in 4k Ultra.
Is it safe to assume that the 1080 Ti will struggle with 4k at 144+ Hz in 3 years?
Ummm.... Probably?
Good thing I live for now and not 3 years from now. I prefer resolution over refresh rate and gaming at 60Hz in 4k is just gorgeous.
were those with AA on or off? I am excited for Monday :x
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/03/31 19:45:17
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If only 2k was really 2 times 1080p and 4k was 4 times 1080p then it would be an easy decision. As it stands, they are not scale-able and you can't just lower your resolution without it looking funky.
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/03/31 19:55:17
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If only 2k was really 2 times 1080p and 4k was 4 times 1080p then it would be an easy decision. As it stands, they are not scale-able and you can't just lower your resolution without it looking funky.
2k is 1080p (1920 x 1080) 1920 is about 2k 4k (3840 x 2160 or 2160p) is exactly 4x 2k (or 1080p) 3840 is about 4k Home theater calls it 1080p or 4k Computer folk use it both ways. 4k is an oddball as it means different things to movie theater folks vs home theater folks.
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/03/31 20:03:33
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If only 2k was really 2 times 1080p and 4k was 4 times 1080p then it would be an easy decision. As it stands, they are not scale-able and you can't just lower your resolution without it looking funky.
2k is 1080p (1920 x 1080) 1920 is about 2k
4k (3840 x 2160 or 2160p) is exactly 4x 2k (or 1080p) 3840 is about 4k
Home theater calls it 1080p or 4k
Computer folk use it both ways.
4k is an oddball as it means different things to movie theater folks vs home theater folks.
2k is not 1080p, it is 1440p 1440p is exactly 2 times 720p 4k is exactly 2 times 1080p hence, 2160p so 4k in half is 1080p 2160p downscaled to 1440p isn't half scaling, it is .75 scaling, which looks blurry horizontally
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/03/31 20:13:27
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If only 2k was really 2 times 1080p and 4k was 4 times 1080p then it would be an easy decision. As it stands, they are not scale-able and you can't just lower your resolution without it looking funky.
2k is 1080p (1920 x 1080) 1920 is about 2k
4k (3840 x 2160 or 2160p) is exactly 4x 2k (or 1080p) 3840 is about 4k
Home theater calls it 1080p or 4k
Computer folk use it both ways.
4k is an oddball as it means different things to movie theater folks vs home theater folks.
2k is not 1080p, it is 1440p
1440p is exactly 2 times 720p
4k is exactly 2 times 1080p hence, 2160p
so 4k in half is 1080p
2160p downscaled to 1440p isn't half scaling, it is .75 scaling, which looks blurry horizontally
They are really 4x as that is what results from doubling both horizontal and vertical resolution. You can fit 4 720p boxes into 1 1440p display. Likewise for 1080p to 2160p (4k). I have never heard of 1440p referred to as 2k. There is a distinct mismatch between computer monitors, tvs and movies. Tvs have 1080p and 4k. Movies have 2k and 4k projectors which have different pixels than TV (and computer displays picked up on the TV resolutions).
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/03/31 20:28:09
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the main difference in what you are describing is 21:9 and 16:9 ASPECT RATIO. What I am saying is you can get a 4k monitor and run half resolution 1080p and get the same scaling. 1:1 However if you try to run a 4k monitor at 1440p it isn't 1:1 and it looks like *REMOVED* Come on man, knock it off with the foul language. This is assuming everything is 16:9. Now, if you get a 21:9 4k monitor and run it at half RESOLUTION it would be 1:1 at 1440p and there's no issue. But they don't exist outside of the theater projectors (that I know if) That's where black bars come from when you watch a movie that's not edited for tv because it was filmed in 21:9. 4k ultrawide is a ways away in a monitor. We don't even have a cable that supports that bandwidth yet.
post edited by Afterburner - 2017/04/09 07:34:19
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/03/31 22:32:40
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the main difference in what you are describing is 21:9 and 16:9 ASPECT RATIO.
What I am saying is you can get a 4k monitor and run half resolution 1080p and get the same scaling. 1:1
However if you try to run a 4k monitor at 1440p it isn't 1:1 and it looks like *REMOVED* Come on man, knock it off with the foul language.
This is assuming everything is 16:9.
Now, if you get a 21:9 4k monitor and run it at half RESOLUTION it would be 1:1 at 1440p and there's no issue. But they don't exist outside of the theater projectors (that I know if)
That's where black bars come from when you watch a movie that's not edited for tv because it was filmed in 21:9.
4k ultrawide is a ways away in a monitor. We don't even have a cable that supports that bandwidth yet.
thought i saw a few 5k displays or 4k ultra wide being teased here and there so we may be close http://www.apple.com/shop...g-ultrafine-5k-display there are some problems with this monitor but it shows its possible
post edited by Afterburner - 2017/04/09 07:34:41
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/01 01:24:10
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Yeah I'd like to know that too.
I installed my 1080 Ti last night... ran/benchmarked GTA 5, RE7, Witcher 3 and all were getting 55-60 fps in 4k Ultra.
Is it safe to assume that the 1080 Ti will struggle with 4k at 144+ Hz in 3 years?
Ummm.... Probably?
Good thing I live for now and not 3 years from now. I prefer resolution over refresh rate and gaming at 60Hz in 4k is just gorgeous.
were those with AA on or off? I am excited for Monday :x
AA was on... but it begs the question... do I need it? I've read that you don't need AA in 4k. It was a long week at work but I'm off the weekend... gonna do some tweaking and benchmarking and OC as well today and tomorrow!
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/01 07:58:11
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I'd say PG27UQ for future proofing. If you need a monitor right now go with a PG279Q.
+1 I have this monitor and it's really good. Better late than never.
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/01 10:37:01
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So my thoughts as an AVS member and AV enthusiast as I too had to make this choice. First off, contrast and color are above resolution in terms of overall PQ. So you are buying 4k for its other benefits, which is HDR, wide color gamut (1 billion displayable colors), and many can even do 4k@60 with 4:4:4 chroma. For years, monitors were the only way to go for best gaming experience, but now with 4k TVs with game modes even in HDR mode, you can game with 30-50ms latency. With that said, for gaming, having ultra high framerates is a unique feel and even benefit for reacting to fast action that you cant get at 4k@60. So it really comes down to what you prefer while gaming, 60hz with better PQ from features like HDR/WCG, and contrast which is the most important element of PQ, or 2k@144 for high frames and still quite sharp resolution. I can tell you this much, a 4k OLED at 4:4:4 chroma or HDR, blows away any monitor Ive ever seen for PQ, but I do not need more than 60hz or crazy pro grade 1ms monitors.
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/02 09:46:23
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Any reasonable priced TV's with 4:4:4 and HDR that do a real 60hz don't want that fake 60 that's just 30hz with frame skiping
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/08 15:44:26
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As someone that has gamed on a 4K monitor (and tv), 1440P ultrawide, and what I'm currently using which is the Acer XB270HU, my recommendation is to go 2K. Based on what I've seen on YT, even a single 1080ti can handle AAA games in ultrawide/ultra settings.
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/08 19:28:15
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As someone that has gamed on a 4K monitor (and tv), 1440P ultrawide, and what I'm currently using which is the Acer XB270HU, my recommendation is to go 2K. Based on what I've seen on YT, even a single 1080ti can handle AAA games in ultrawide/ultra settings.
I have the same monitor. It's the best monitor I have ever owned. This and the 1080 TI is the best combo I could have chosen. Like you mentioned, most games could be maxed out while getting high FPS. Only Ghost Recon Wildlands gives me less than 60 FPS at maxed out settings with no OC. All my other games I get 70+. Witcher 3 is my next graphically demanding game and I get 70+ even with hairworks on. Most games I can easily get 100 FPS +
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/08 20:14:52
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I'd say PG27UQ for future proofing. If you need a monitor right now go with a PG279Q.
+1 I have this monitor and it's really good. Better late than never.
I own a Asus PG279Q and its awesome!
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/09 00:04:50
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I been playing 4k for just over 9 months and i wish i never and had gone for 2k 4k is amazing don't get me wrong but you will need 2 cards i only have 1 1080 Ftw also most games have bad UI Scale although it is getting better and there is hardly a game u can run max at 60fps new title wise u always have to switch some setting off or to low to get stable frames, if u are going to SLI then that would work, if u could turn back time i would of gone for a 2k screen now. maybe in 2 years u might get a card that can do it max. i have preordered the 1080ti Ftw3 i can give feed back once i get it
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/09 00:15:59
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I been playing 4k for just over 9 months and i wish i never and had gone for 2k
4k is amazing don't get me wrong but you will need 2 cards i only have 1 1080 Ftw also most games have bad UI Scale although it is getting better and there is hardly a game u can run max at 60fps new title wise u always have to switch some setting off or to low to get stable frames, if u are going to SLI then that would work, if u could turn back time i would of gone for a 2k screen now. maybe in 2 years u might get a card that can do it max.
i have preordered the 1080ti Ftw3 i can give feed back once i get it
lots of games have been running pretty well for me on my 1080ti at 4k 60fps I do turn AA down to fxaa or off depending if i can see it
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/09 06:15:13
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A monitor should be seen as a longer-term investment than a video card. 2560x1440 is currently the sweet spot for FPS and visual fidelity. I personally consider the 1080 Ti a 1440p card (this includes ultrawide). I see 4K as SLI'ed 1080 or better territory.
If you plan on sticking with a single 1080 Ti for a few years, then just go with a 2560x1440 display. 4K is already hard enough to hit >60FPS in most games at max settings, so it'll be absolute trash with a 1080 Ti in a few years.
Now if you really want to pursue 4K, you'll probably want to upgrade again sometime during the Volta generation. I'm upgrading to 4K 144Hz once Volta hits, along with two flagship graphic cards. That's what it's going to take if you want to upgrade to 4K from anything lower without taking a severe performance hit.
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Re: 2k or 4k?
2017/04/09 06:44:26
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I've had all 3 at 27-28inch.
1080p is noticeably unsharp
1440p and 4k are both much better. 4k is a bit better but it is much more demanding.
If you have something like 32in or greater 4k will pull away from 1440p a lot more.
1080p on my 15 inch laptop looks fine though ;)
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