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2017/03/27 09:12:20 (permalink)
Other than Killer networking there doesn't seem to be huge differences between the two. What am I missing? 
I've tried some Google-Fu but all the results come up comparing the FTW (non-K). I also know the FTW K is the newer board and came out after the Classy.
 
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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 09:41:37 (permalink)
I know one of the other reasons is having a M.2 3.0, instead of the 2.0 on the Classified.

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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 10:18:23 (permalink)
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I know one of the other reasons is having a M.2 3.0, instead of the 2.0 on the Classified.


+1
good point GTXJack, the M.2 max speed
 
K also has:
USB 3.1 
8 phase power vs the Classy 10 phase power
different audio
 

 
 
 
 
 

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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 10:40:28 (permalink)
Unless you run a database server, the actual real world difference in Windows or game load times between M.2 PCIE 2.0 vs 3.0 is zero.

I found our the hard way by dumping 300+ dollars on a 950 Pro thinking that it would help - it does not. https://hardforum.com/thr...e-comparisons.1911914/

That said, it doesn't hurt unless you need the slot that is disabled when you install the m.2 into the motherboard.
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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 11:13:55 (permalink)
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I found our the hard way by dumping 300+ dollars on a 950 Pro thinking that it would help - it does not. https://hardforum.com/thr...e-comparisons.1911914/




With all due respect, it does help as I've witnessed it myself as well as others.  Even youtube videos recording the difference.  While it maybe seconds quicker, that is still considered an improvement.



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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 11:42:20 (permalink)
Thanks for the information, everyone. Looks like the FTW K is the better option unless you plan on some extreme overclocking.
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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 12:16:56 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby bg8780 2017/03/27 12:30:12
bg8780
Thanks for the information, everyone. Looks like the FTW K is the better option unless you plan on some extreme overclocking.




Exactly and even the FTW K can handle extreme OCing (LN2) as well.

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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 21:13:11 (permalink)
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arestavo

I found our the hard way by dumping 300+ dollars on a 950 Pro thinking that it would help - it does not. https://hardforum.com/thr...e-comparisons.1911914/




With all due respect, it does help as I've witnessed it myself as well as others.  Even youtube videos recording the difference.  While it maybe seconds quicker, that is still considered an improvement.






Sorry, but I'll take my own results and that of professional reviewers - which, by the by, were listed at the bottom of my post on the Hard forum. 
 
http://techreport.com/review/30813/samsung-960-pro-2tb-ssd-reviewed/5 

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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 22:25:22 (permalink)
Three from the same source I've never heard of and one from PC gamer.  I think it's a bit biased.  
 
Again, seconds faster is STILL an improvement in this industry.  Not sure why that's hard to comprehend.  Think of it as FPS.  There are those that spends hundreds for the next best GPU for a few more FPS.  Should we tell them its silly and not worth it?  To each their own.
 
If you're looking for the best bank for your buck, than yes, it's surely not worth it.
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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 23:05:15 (permalink)
They're awesome! (Tech Report) One of a the very few reviewers that bother to test normal usage that gamers care about.

No, I don't agree that it's worth it. I even tested with a RAM drive using my 64GB of 3200MHz RAM and saw jack diddly difference. You don't get faster than a RAM drive.

We're hard up against other bottlenecks - CPU speed, low queue depth performance, and drive format (NTFS!) limitations. The last one listed is probably the biggest of the three holding us back.
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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/27 23:35:34 (permalink)
GTX Sorry man, but I'm with Arestavo on this one.
 
0.5-1 second difference for double price you call an improvement? By what possible measure is that an 'improvement' mate?  It's not bang for bucks kind of thinking. It's simple logic. Something that cost twice as much and offers transfer 3-5x higher (model vary) on paper, beats old tech which is -again on paper- 3-5x times slower by 1 second?!? What???? Especially if you take into account for example MX300 from Crucial which is really poor performer at anything labeled 'random access' and it can keeps just fine with any NVMe in normal every day tasks.
 
For me personally NVMe is good way to cut on cable clutter inside the case and I doing all my work on NVMe, but man the price is total stumbling block. I not denying that NVMe is a beast of a hardware, but you have provide suitable workload. Gaming does not offer that. What NVMe requires to show its teeth is sustained transfer R/W and deep queue of 8+. For casual user NVMe is vast overkill. We have hardware which can perform, sadly software is way behind on that front. It simply can't utilize raw power of NVMe out of the box - even booting is very sluggish on PCIe. 
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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/28 04:11:23 (permalink)
Are you guys hearing yourselves?  I mean seriously, don't take this the wrong way but any improvements, whether they're in seconds to minutes or FPS, etc. is considered an improvement.  How big of an improvement is up to the consumer to decide if its worth it.  You should also thank those folks who pay a premium so we end up getting some of that tech at a reasonable price down the road.  Of course I was an early adopter to M.2 PCIe 2.0 and gave a kidney for it.  Not regretting that purchase, ok maybe a tiny bit but still.



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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/28 06:22:16 (permalink)
I'm still on SATA 3 SSD's in RAID 0 netting me 550mbps read/write. So going to M.2 will still be a big improvement for me no matter what.
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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/29 15:06:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bg8780 2017/04/03 10:36:51
From demo and show systems I have built that run games or certain benchmarks on indefinite loops for the visuals, I have bounced the same boards between SATA3 SSD's (nicer end Samsung or Intels) as well as some NVME M.2 drives.  Can I see the difference (these were on Z170/270 boards primarily) YES, I could, boot was faster and program launch was faster, but it was **NOT** by a large margin, not at all, it was fast enough to see it, but little else.  Which to some is important, there is a difference in top speed between a Bugatti Veyron and Chiron, but it is not much different and at a level that 99.9% of owners will not see/use, but it is there, and I think currently, that is where this is.
 
One other thing to point out.  Personally, i would go with the FTW-K.  It is a bit more refined as it was a couple years between the Classified launch and the FTW-K, but while the M.2 performance may not be enough to sway you, this might be.  As the FTW-K pulls its M.2 lanes from the very bottom PCIE slot, which is largely unused by most people, it means that the PCH is not losing 4 lanes, and this is where there are extra USB headers on the FTW-K, as there are more lanes being dedicated to peripherals.  An additional USB 2.0 and 3.0 header can be a big deal for some builds, especially with VR becoming more popular. 
 
IMHO the only thing you are losing that will be missed by many people is losing the Creative audio on the classified, unless you are a competitive bencher/cruncher who needs all 4 slots.
 
Both are good boards, and I don't think there is a BAD choice there.  So, 4 way SLI or more USB and faster THEORETICAL M.2 performance?  Core3d Audio or Killer NIC?  I think that is what it really boils down to.
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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/29 15:23:40 (permalink)
Great point on the USB headers Tech_Dave.  I know first hand what it's like not having enough headers.    The issue was remedied with a USB expansion board but that was a additional unwanted cost.

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Re: FTW K vs Classified 2017/03/29 15:34:18 (permalink)
Yeah, that's why I go with the FTW-K. I don't really think one is "better" than the other, just different option sets.
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