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2017/03/04 17:05:31 (permalink)
All,
 
I currently have the rig in my sig, based on a 5930K running at 4.6ghz. She's been running like a champ for a little over 2 years now. I'm coming up on the time when I like to build a new machine, and because I've never built an AMD rig before, I'm highly considering the Ryzen.
 
Based on the reviews, it appears that this should be an upgrade for me, but wanted to see what you thought.
 
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/04 19:44:53 (permalink)
Some Good Reading is what you might want to do before you leap.
Shares of AMD fall after gaming performance of new processors ...
AMD Ryzen New Benchmark Leaks, World Records, Intel Price ... 
More
 
I see Zero Performance Gain for Ryzen
 
When it comes to Gaming in the above chart.
 
First, though, there are some new benchmarks and this time they're for the Ryzen 7 1700X, which is due to go on sale this week and is already up for pre-order at $399. Once again, VideoCardz.com has come up with the goods and translated from the Chinese PCEVA forum some benchmarks pitting the 1700X against the Core i7-6800K - Intel's 6-core CPU for its X99 chipset platform, which costs the same price.
 


Interestingly, whoever benchmarked the CPUs has reduced the clock speed of the Ryzen CPU to match that offered by the 6800K, so it's a clock-for-clock comparison - the actual Ryzen CPU will be faster out of the box.
 
 
https://videocardz.com/66826/amd-ryzen-7-review-roundup Good Place to read different Websites and what they are saying.
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/04 23:28:40 (permalink)
Given you're running a six-core at 4.6Ghz Ryzen isn't going to match that level of performance. Most benchmarks would be a downgrade, and you will get a the largest hit to gaming performance. Unless there's a specific compute benchmark you're looking at I wouldn't recommend it. You'd be doing well to clock Ryzen to 4Ghz given many sites couldn't even reach that. 


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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 02:29:51 (permalink)
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 02:53:26 (permalink)
looking like another AMD flop, can we say bulldozer2

                               
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 04:59:06 (permalink)
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looking like another AMD flop, can we say bulldozer2


Strictly speaking compute, it is besting intel. Strictly speaking gaming, it isnt doing anything impressive.

Since games need to be optimized, there may be improvements. Intel isnt going to magically produce substantially higher compute performance with their cpus, without people noticing though.
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 05:23:52 (permalink)
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Some Good Reading is what you might want to do before you leap.
Shares of AMD fall after gaming performance of new processors ...
AMD Ryzen New Benchmark Leaks, World Records, Intel Price ... 
More
 
I see Zero Performance Gain for Ryzen
 
When it comes to Gaming in the above chart.


First of all this chart doesn't say what resolution the games were tested at. If you seek out reviews where games were tested at 2K or 4K resolution you'll see that AMDs 1800X and 1700X match up very well to an i7-6900 and i7-6800. At 1080p AMD's Ryzen doesn't do well but there is a reason for that.
 
AMD's John Taylor explains it as follows: “CPU benchmarking deficits to the competition in certain games at 1080p resolution can be attributed to the development and optimization of the game uniquely to Intel platforms—until now. Even without optimizations in place, Ryzen delivers high, smooth frame rates on all ‘CPU-bound’ games, as well as overall smooth frame rates and great experiences in GPU-bound gaming and VR. With developers taking advantage of Ryzen architecture and the extra cores and threads, we expect benchmarks to only get better, and enable Ryzen to excel at next-generation gaming experiences as well. Game performance will be optimized for Ryzen and continue to improve from at-launch frame rate scores.”
 
So what have game developers been doing? They have been optimizing games only for Intel CPUs because for the past few years AMD CPUs have sucked. Hopefully over time things can change.
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 05:29:00 (permalink)
I've been curious about this very thing so I have ordered an AMD Ryzen 1800X and a motherboard. That should arrive in about 8 or 9 days. I hope to order a GTX 1080ti as well whenever EVGA can start accepting orders.
 

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 09:55:16 (permalink)
I have been testing my 5820k at 4.4 versus an 1800x build at 3.9 and 7700k build at 4.7 which I picked up on launch day. Ive been gettijg interesting results specifically at 1080p. Now mind you I tested at 1080p because the rig I am trying to decide on is for a projector setup of mine and its only 1080p. I see where the 7700k pulls ahead in gaming and single core synthetics, but in the 4 or 5 games I tested, it wasnt substantial. Now, against the 5820k, in timespy for example the 1800x beat it in cpu score and in firestrike physics.
The 1800x handly beat it in unigine heaven with a score of 3665 versus 2929.

I am kind of in the same thought process. Do I sell the 5820k and run the ryzen.

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 12:47:03 (permalink)
The Ryzen will show it's main strength in games at 2K and 4K.

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 14:52:28 (permalink)
I would not go as far as to make that claim. Remember as resolution increases, the load is moved from the cpu to the gpu. Thats why AMD showed all their benchmarks and gameplay at 4k. They admitted in one of their reddit amas that they did see issues with titles in 1080p when most everything is handled by the cpu. The higher resolutions are just masking the issue. If you were to ask me do I think they will get this sorted out, then my answer is yes. They need to start with working closer with board members to get the bios straight and with microsoft to get the scheduler to properly distribution the cores. This is turn would remove and/or reduce the 30ms response time when one core tries to access the opposite side of the cpu. I ended up returnibg my rysen setup today. I picked up a 7700k last week at the same time just incase what occurred would. I will monitor it for the next several months and see how the imrpovements go and then maybe jump back in.

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 21:17:22 (permalink)
It's a tough call. I would like to build an AMD machine, but at this point, I'm thinking about just waiting for X299 to land. I like building new machines every 2-3 years and I have the itch. :)

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 21:38:24 (permalink)
Im debaiting on the i7-7700(65watt) or the Ryzen 1700(65watt) for my upcomming build. Most likely depend on if we get a nice AsRock or MSI AMD "ITX" AM4 Boaord....
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 22:14:54 (permalink)
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Im debaiting on the i7-7700(65watt) or the Ryzen 1700(65watt) for my upcomming build. Most likely depend on if we get a nice AsRock or MSI AMD "ITX" AM4 Boaord....




If you are still in planning, i'd wait out for Intel's coffee lake processors that should be hitting the market within the next 3-4 months.

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/05 22:53:13 (permalink)
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It's a tough call. I would like to build an AMD machine, but at this point, I'm thinking about just waiting for X299 to land. I like building new machines every 2-3 years and I have the itch. :)


I originally planned on using an X299 chipset later this year but Intel has priced the CPUs that I want far too high. 

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/06 07:38:07 (permalink)
What socket and chipset will be  Intel's coffee lake ? Whats diff for Coffee Lake?
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/06 10:17:07 (permalink)
Socket for the X299 will be LGA 2066 for Skylake X and Kaby Lake X.

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/06 10:48:29 (permalink)
It's expected to have more cores. From what I have found, it was expected to be on the Z300 series chipset. 

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/06 11:33:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby JustinHEMI 2017/03/07 00:54:32
With your current rig, i wouldn't be in a rush to upgrade. It would be worth it to hold off until Q3/Q4 of 2017.
 
If you upgraded now, i bet it would be hard to notice that much of a difference in performance.
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/06 20:14:59 (permalink)
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With your current rig, i wouldn't be in a rush to upgrade. It would be worth it to hold off until Q3/Q4 of 2017.
 
If you upgraded now, i bet it would be hard to notice that much of a difference in performance.

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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/06 23:00:14 (permalink)
I have an Acer x34 and have yet to find any noticeable CPU bottleneck with my 5930k at stock clocks. Running higher resolutions tend to push things more toward a GPU bottleneck. Even with BF1 on lowest settings, my 1080 runs max GPU useage. There really is just no need to change things right now if you already have a decent CPU.
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/07 00:54:51 (permalink)
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With your current rig, i wouldn't be in a rush to upgrade. It would be worth it to hold off until Q3/Q4 of 2017.
 
If you upgraded now, i bet it would be hard to notice that much of a difference in performance.
 
 
 
 
 
 




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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/07 05:52:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby XrayMan 2017/03/07 21:15:35
Who think we should upgrade on ASUS Crosshair Extreme or Gene and 1800X when become available or Hero now???
Second option, waiting, will lead us in same direction only later.
When Intel failed to add same performance as AMD per watt and with same number of cores and similar price than Ryzen price could go up 25%.
Because than whole LGA 2066 will not be able to match with AMD except with 10 core models and he not exist for 99.8% of market. 
Price, power consumption after OC, smaller single threded performance, temperature and money need for cooling... everything is only for people who don't know for difference between 100 and 1000$. And they are not market.
Market is up to 200$ and up to 350$ and enthusiasts who are maybe ready to pay 500$, maybe but than they want 1800X who keep world record not
i7-6800K with 12 more PCI-E lanes and 200MHz higher clock. In Europe I see Ryzen 7 1800X for 540euro... Intel i7-6850K was over 600 euro.
But waiting Skylake-E is maybe good not because Intel X299. Maybe in mean time before Skylake Xtreme AMD start to worry for their processors and launch Ryzen with little higher power consumption... He could beat easy i7-6950X... Because R7 power consumtpion is competition to Kaby Lake not Broadwell-E. And maybe who wait X299 upgrade later on some 1900X...or 2000X model, AMD's Xtreme.
 
I think 2066 is over and could offer up to 20% more performance than planned and Intel could catch AMD only with next socket. Maybe he will need less time for him than normal and maybe hurry up, but they gave 15% improvement for 5 years, How they could give 50% for 5 months that's big question.
No one is happy to read about Intel 10 cores stronger than AMD 1800X.
 
This is my Cinebench R15 score, i7-5820K 4.2/GHz-4.0GHz Cache it's miserable compare to 1800X but it's better than i7-6850K out of box...
 

 
And only show what Intel done. Price of my CPU in store was 350$, I paid far less but real price. i7-6850K cost 600$ and it's 12-13 months newer, they give same performance, pardon mine overclocked is better than i7-6850K default. Only is example what Intel done to us...
How I could upgrade i7-5820K to i7-6850K when they are similar.
From other side upgrade from i7-5820K to 1800X will be far bigger improvement than i7-3770K to i7-5820K.
 
 
Intel should be faced with completely losing interest for their processors from enthusiasts.
Because they will faced with that from companies who build configuration and sell finished computer with monitor, keyboard, mouse, everything...
They will use only AMD in all segments and offer to customers for much cheaper price than Z270 and X99. Even if price is same X370 will be better option.
Because of that AMD could be out of stock little longer.
Now even overclockers will use AMD Ryzen 7 for their test of different graphic cards, because have better single threded performance than Intel Broadwell-E.
With Intel we had really bad and expensive situation, from one side need for more cores than 4, and from other better performance per core of Z270 platform.
And customers couldn't decide, both directions were expensive, very expensive, Z platform with locked Non K models for overclocking and same as all Z platforms had cheap paste and because of that they are hotter.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/07 13:20:42 (permalink)
Hoping to still see an Ryzen ITX or mATX with a 370chipset or better soon.
 
 Also read somewhere, where AMD is using gold for its lids vs cheap TIM Intel uses?
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Re: Ryzen 1800 vs Intel 5930K 2017/03/07 17:32:34 (permalink)
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Hoping to still see an Ryzen ITX or mATX with a 370chipset or better soon.
 
 Also read somewhere, where AMD is using gold for its lids vs cheap TIM Intel uses?



Intel only uses the chaper thermal solution on the Z series. The processors on the X series are all soldered. 

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