Afterburner
Oops. That was embarrassing...
 

The Old Boss 302 Beats Brand New Camaro GT4 in Pirelli World Challenge Season Opener Double header, both races

http://autoweek.com/article/other-racing-column/ford-ruins-camaro-gt4-debut-pirelli-world-challenge-gts-race-st-pete

Seriously? You do know neither you or I could buy one of these cars (unless you own secretly own a race team that you have never talked about) and they are not street legal cars? It's the first year and the first race for this style Camaro in the series and the car took the pole position and 2nd in the race against a seasoned Mustang, nothing to be embarrassed about on that. Two of the new Camaros in the top 7, where is the newer style S550 Mustang at? I would be embarrassed if I was a Mustang lover and had to cherry pick a story out like this in an attempt to make the Camaro look bad. Sorry didn't work.

kaninja
Sweet, the Mustang won.

Sweet, the Camaro won.
 

kaninja
Sweet, the Mustang won.

+1

The mustang is still the top seller. 

Sajin
The mustang is still the top seller. 

Funny that's currently the only argument Mustang fans have. You do know a lot of those sales are rentals cars, even Motor Trend points that out.
 
 
 

bill1024

Sajin
The mustang is still the top seller. 

And much better looking too.

Not in my book, so that's not an objective argument.
 

New Mustang Earns First CTSC Win at Sebring
 
http://sportscar365.com/i...t-ctsc-win-at-sebring/
 
http://results.imsa.com/Results/17_2017/05_Sebring%20International%20Raceway/02_IMSA%20Continental%20Tire%20SportsCar%20Challenge/201703160950_Practice%201/03_Results.PDF 
 

 
 
And...
 

Cliff Ebben gives Ford Mustang rare Trans Am Series TA class win at Sebring

CHEVROLET CORVETTES ROUND OUT PODIUM AT SEASON OPENER

Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/sports-cars/cliff-ebben-gives-ford-mustang-rare-trans-am-series-ta-class-win-sebring#ixzz4bxe89lyT
 
 
 
 
 

notfordman

bill1024

Sajin
The mustang is still the top seller. 

And much better looking too.

Definitely a matter of opinion Bill, Mustang is a loser between the two in my opinion on looks. And then throw in the important metrics....not looking good for you F.O.R.D boys.  Like I said before: to each their own. 

At least I OWN a FORD mustang, not just talk about it. Talk is cheap.
I like them enough to buy one, and keep it for decades.
But like you say to each their own, bad taste and all.

Who cares? Why are you peeps always so emotionally invested in your dumb cars as to which one is better? In the end, they all suck cause they cant do what a truck does. 

notfordman
Hey Kram, I guess I'm just going to talk about the Camaro ZL1, since this is the CAMARO ZL1 thread. It has a built in line-lock in track mode, in the traction control system. It engages for 15 seconds unless the driver interacts. It doesn't work in reverse, darn. 
 
@ Bill I don't think you have bad taste, it was a choice.

Chevy should make the line lock feature available as an option to the SS models also.
 
@ Bill beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I mean some people like a fish out of water looking car, some people even buy them in a fish colored paint.
 

 
 
 

notfordman
There is no doubt the Mustang is a great performer. The ZL1 is an all around game changer. We are talking factory stock.  And I'm just a Camaro nut.
This is like the classic Ford Vs Chevy Battle I have with my Father-in-law. I enjoy it, my in-laws are great, love em' to death..... even though he's wrong.  
 
I do agree the Line-lock should be available to the performance models as well. It may be on the SS, just seen the features in that article. 

Kinda had the same issue going on when I grew up and before I bought my first Mustang. I was a Mustang fan, my older brothers where Camaro fans and my Dad worked for GM and retired from GM. So the first car I purchased was a 84 Mustang SVO, Dad was still working for GM and wouldn't even sit in it lol.
 
That Mustang SVO was the second biggest piece of junk I ever purchased, traded it for a 85 Camaro Z/28 (1st of 4 Camaros I've owned) and never looked at a Mustang again until I got married. Wife fell in love with a 95 Mustang GT convertible, so I bought it for her. Didn't even keep it 1 year, overheated all the time and had no go to it, she ended up hating it.
 
The biggest piece of junk was a 03 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS convertible I bought for one of my daughters. Never had to replace so many parts on a car in my life. Even had the front right wheel knuckle break on it while she was driving 60 mph. When the knuckle broke the wheel bent under the car and dug into the highway throwing her car across the other lanes to her right side, (didn't hit anyone) then into grass. Luckily it had snowed and when she hit the shoulder area the car didn't dig into the ground and flip over, but the car did two 360° spins, went up an embankment and almost onto an on ramp to the highway. Good looking car, but a piece of junk. Here it is after I replaced the suspension, front bumper and put new wheels and tires on it.
 

kram36

notfordman
Hey Kram, I guess I'm just going to talk about the Camaro ZL1, since this is the CAMARO ZL1 thread. It has a built in line-lock in track mode, in the traction control system. It engages for 15 seconds unless the driver interacts. It doesn't work in reverse, darn. 
 
@ Bill I don't think you have bad taste, it was a choice.

Chevy should make the line lock feature available as an option to the SS models also.
 
@ Bill beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I mean some people like a fish out of water looking car, some people even buy them in a fish colored paint.
 

 
 
 

Way too much irony here to let this pass.  

Dukman

kram36

notfordman
Hey Kram, I guess I'm just going to talk about the Camaro ZL1, since this is the CAMARO ZL1 thread. It has a built in line-lock in track mode, in the traction control system. It engages for 15 seconds unless the driver interacts. It doesn't work in reverse, darn. 
 
@ Bill I don't think you have bad taste, it was a choice.

Chevy should make the line lock feature available as an option to the SS models also.
 
@ Bill beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I mean some people like a fish out of water looking car, some people even buy them in a fish colored paint.
 

 
 
 

Way too much irony here to let this pass.  

Dukman

kram36

notfordman
Hey Kram, I guess I'm just going to talk about the Camaro ZL1, since this is the CAMARO ZL1 thread. It has a built in line-lock in track mode, in the traction control system. It engages for 15 seconds unless the driver interacts. It doesn't work in reverse, darn. 
 
@ Bill I don't think you have bad taste, it was a choice.

Chevy should make the line lock feature available as an option to the SS models also.
 
@ Bill beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I mean some people like a fish out of water looking car, some people even buy them in a fish colored paint.
 

 
 
 

Way too much irony here to let this pass.  

Ha ha ha, that's funny. The Z/28 and SS were beast and handled pretty decent for those years. They could have sold like hot cakes if they had better looks, people didn't care and bought them for their performance. I would take an 4th Gen SS with T-Tops any day.