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2015/01/31 01:37:05 (permalink)
Final update - Ignore most of the stuff below this update as it's very old. Hopefully, this is the final forum post regarding my 3 years of owning the EVGA GTX 980 FTW cards
EVGA support was wonderful and I was able to navigate the advanced cross ship RMA within a few business days. Thanks EVGA. My two new RMA cards should be arriving soon. I hope these replacements are properly binned and run at the advertised boost speeds. That's all i wanted from the beginning. To the curious - they are replacing the cards with the same model number / same card (no upgrade or equivalent swap).
 
Here's to hoping. Thanks to the forum community, customer service representatives, and RMA case techs at EVGA.
 
 
Update (again):
 
Even when using "debug mode" as advised by EVGA support, (which i believe runs the cards at stock vanilla GTX 980 speeds) I'm still getting black screen hard lock crashes. *Although it's MUCH more stable in debug mode, this is still unacceptable. I've already re-opened my support ticket and hopefully i can get an RMA before my cards get out of warranty.
 
Update and recap:  So a few weeks ago I was getting black screen / hard crashing and sound buzz while gaming in Dragon Age Inquisition. Upon the crash, one of the GPUs wouldn't "power back on" ... and i mean when my computer would reboot it wouldn't power on and windows would not recognize it.  Once i powered down / CMOS clear, it would come back up. At first i thought my PSU was the issue but after more testing I realized that one of GTX 980 FTWs was not stable at stock (out of the box) 1405 boost.  This was with no changes on my end using precision x, this was simply the default speeds while gaming.  Once i reduced the boost by 100 the top card was stable.  
 
The problem got worse and worse and eventually even at -100 boost clock the card would crash.  So I RMA'd the card.  EVGA was very helpful and took care of me via a cross ship RMA. The new one arrived, and I have not had any crashes at stock boost clock of 1405 mhz.  I'll experiment with overclocking over the next few days.  I'm just very happy to have a stable system again.  
 
My question is this...  My new FTW  that was sent to me by EVGA via RMA, has a different BIOS than my other one.  Does this matter? Should I update / flash my other card?

I've included the ASIC scores and a pic of my rig for fun.  I have not OC'd yet but I will over the next few days.
 

NEW 980 FTW FROM RMA:


LAUNCH DAY 980 FTW:



 

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8gb XMS 3 1600
2 x EVGA GTX 980 FTW (1405 boost)
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post edited by Prophit - 2017/12/13 09:55:07

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    howdy2u2
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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/01/31 04:43:22 (permalink)
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    My question is this...  My new FTW  that was sent to me by EVGA via RMA, has a different BIOS than my other one.  Does this matter? Should I update / flash my other card?
     



    No, it has no effect on OC or anything else for that matter.  I tried matching bios on some cards and updating them all to the same bios. 2 cards took the new bios, 1 card turned in to a brick................


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/01/31 08:18:47 (permalink)
    Good morning,
     
    During the production process of video cards the BIOS revision can change. This can be due to different memory being used ect. There is no need to flash your first video card. Even with two different BIOS revisions they will run perfectly fine in SLI. 

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/01/31 13:01:35 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info JoeyC and howdy2u2. I won't worry about the miss matched bios'. 
     
    I'd like to give a shoutout to sinjin for helping me with my original issues and offering troubleshooting advice.  (I registered my cards under your affiliate code).
     
    After 6~ straight hours of dying light it appears im stable at 1405~.  I'll do further testing and report back.  Patch 1.2.1 of Dying Light gets me 50-60 FPS on high @ 5760x1080.  I hope they continue tweaking the chrome 6 engine.  I also hope EVGA patches precision x to work with dying light.

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/01/31 13:53:17 (permalink)
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    My question is this...  My new FTW  that was sent to me by EVGA via RMA, has a different BIOS than my other one.  Does this matter? Should I update / flash my other card?
     



    No, it has no effect on OC or anything else for that matter.  I tried matching bios on some cards and updating them all to the same bios. 2 cards took the new bios, 1 card turned in to a brick................




    As stated in the next post by JoeyC, sometimes the BIOS revisions are created in order to support different memory manufacturers or memory models.  When that happens, if you try to force the BIOS from a model with different memory, the card can fail to initialize properly.  Sometimes you can recover from the failure by force flashing the correct BIOS back to the failed card.  But sometimes, the card is effectively bricked due to initialization errors preventing the card from being detected by nvflash.  In that case, you can flash the BIOS chip directly externally by soldering wires to the BIOS eeprom chip or desoldering the eeprom and flashing with special hardware.
     
    Long story short, flashing the BIOS to the eeprom can be very risky business and is often an unnecessary risk.

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/01/31 18:46:41 (permalink)

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/02/26 15:29:42 (permalink)
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    Good morning,
     
    During the production process of video cards the BIOS revision can change. This can be due to different memory being used ect. There is no need to flash your first video card. Even with two different BIOS revisions they will run perfectly fine in SLI. 




    Hi Joey, The bios version that the op posted 84.04.2F.01.80 is listed as k|ngp|n on here...http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?p=28781 
    If this is correct why would the op have it on a FTW version or is the post incorrect? 
     
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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/06 20:35:33 (permalink)
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    What he said. 
     
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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/07 10:29:42 (permalink)
    An interesting find antandbetty.  I'm curious, too.

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/11 08:13:38 (permalink)
    Random update: My system is very stable at stock boost speeds (1405).  I binged on The Talos Principle last night for 4 hours straight everything on ultra except lens flair. It feels nice being able to play long sessions and not worry about crashes, black screen freezes, or lock ups.

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/12 13:00:52 (permalink)
    can you extract the bios 84.04.2F.01.80 using Gpu-z and send it to me.... I will pm you my email address.... it is very easy to do... TY...also responded to your other post in my thread...
     
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    An interesting find antandbetty.  I'm curious, too.





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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/12 13:11:01 (permalink)
    To further clarify, my RMA was a cross ship.  The one i received back from EVGA (before i sent mine in) had the 84.04.2F.01.80 version on it.  I'll look at the voltages and extract it later tonight.

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/12 13:13:59 (permalink)
    Thank you
     
    Prophit
    To further clarify, my RMA was a cross ship.  The one i received back from EVGA (before i sent mine in) had the 84.04.2F.01.80 version on it.  I'll look at the voltages and extract it later tonight.






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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/12 13:22:03 (permalink)
    Is this new Bios for All EVGA GTX 980 Graphics Cards?

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/12 14:32:39 (permalink)
    I just tried extracting the 84.04.2F.01.80 BIOS using TechPoweruUp's GPU-z (version 0.8.1) and i received a hard crash / lock up.  I rebooted, tried again - same thing.  I cannot extract the bios.  I'm on Windows 8.1 with all the latest patches and running the Nvidia driver 347.52. There are a few other people on the forums that receive crashes as well with windows 8.1.  I'm not sure if or when they will fix this.
     
    I'll look into it more later but at this point i cannot provide the BIOS.  
     
    EDIT: UPDATE - i even tried disabling the card in device manager, then trying to extract... same crash.  Betty, can you find the BIOS elsewhere?  I'll work on getting screenshots of the voltages next.
    post edited by Prophit - 2015/03/12 14:40:18

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2015/03/12 15:15:22 (permalink)
    That is very odd....did you disable sli first in the nvidia ctrl pnl? I will try and find a non modded one also. Sorry it made you crash....
     
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    I just tried extracting the 84.04.2F.01.80 BIOS using TechPoweruUp's GPU-z (version 0.8.1) and i received a hard crash / lock up.  I rebooted, tried again - same thing.  I cannot extract the bios.  I'm on Windows 8.1 with all the latest patches and running the Nvidia driver 347.52. There are a few other people on the forums that receive crashes as well with windows 8.1.  I'm not sure if or when they will fix this.
     
    I'll look into it more later but at this point i cannot provide the BIOS.  
     
    EDIT: UPDATE - i even tried disabling the card in device manager, then trying to extract... same crash.  Betty, can you find the BIOS elsewhere?  I'll work on getting screenshots of the voltages next.





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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2017/12/05 14:36:23 (permalink)
    Update - many months later, I'm now getting black screen crashes and buzzing noise lockups in Destiny 2. Destiny 2 and The Witcher 3 have been my most recent games that cause the issue.
     
    If i downclock my GPU core and memory (by 125 core and 100 memory) it does stabilize it a bit but i still get an occasional lockup. 
     
    I guess i need to start another RMA process. 
    post edited by Prophit - 2017/12/05 16:34:00

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2017/12/05 15:08:03 (permalink)
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    Update - many months later, I'm no getting black screen crashes and buzzing noise lockups in Destiny 2. Destiny 2 and The Witcher 3 have been my most recent games that cause the issue.
     
    If i downclock my GPU core and memory (by 125 core and 100 memory) it does stabilize it a bit but i still get an occasional lockup. 
     
    I guess i need to start another RMA process. 


    What happens when you test the cards individually?
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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2017/12/05 15:31:00 (permalink)
    [19 pages worth to look over]
    https://forums.evga.com/So-GTX-980-FTW-are-very-bad-cards-m2346232.aspx
     
    that slight change in the RMA / latest  in the bios revision maybe the change to help fix over first release 980  ftw's ??   maybe exclusive for evga service dept... not listed here ?
     
    https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=NVIDIA&manufacturer=EVGA&model=GTX+980&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=
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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2017/12/05 16:11:17 (permalink)
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    [19 pages worth to look over]
    https://forums.evga.com/So-GTX-980-FTW-are-very-bad-cards-m2346232.aspx
     



    Yeah, sounds like exactly what I have been going through.
    'But, its all my fault, not evga's'.
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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2017/12/05 16:35:47 (permalink)
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    Update - many months later, I'm no getting black screen crashes and buzzing noise lockups in Destiny 2. Destiny 2 and The Witcher 3 have been my most recent games that cause the issue.
     
    If i downclock my GPU core and memory (by 125 core and 100 memory) it does stabilize it a bit but i still get an occasional lockup. 
     
    I guess i need to start another RMA process. 


    What happens when you test the cards individually?




    Both cards crash individually but it's much less frequent. While running both GPUs in SLI, I tried swapping PCIE slots as well just for kicks, still crashing.

    I opened a support ticket again, asking them what my options are. I've had so many problems with these cards.

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2017/12/05 16:39:26 (permalink)
    I am running 388.31 drivers, i see that Nvidia released 388.43 a few days ago. I'll install those for kicks but i doubt it will change anything.
     
    All i wanna do is play Destiny 2 Curse of Osiris expansion! So far I played for an hour on "debug mode" which i believe sets the GPUs to stock 980 speeds and it crashed after approx 45 minutes of gameplay. Heat was not an issue, all temps are good.

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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2017/12/05 16:57:33 (permalink)
    Have you tested the cards in another system to be 100% sure the cards are the issue?
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    Re: GTX 980 FTW Bios discrepancies (Also my unrelated original issue is fixed) 2017/12/06 07:09:31 (permalink)
    not to pass blame on anyone  , but I sen 980 ftw and recalled a lot of issues on that one card from the past   and a lot of reports on it in forums around    the rest of the 980 line / non ftw   seemed to be fine  ????   its like there was just that little something up with a ftw . 
     
    anyway good luck
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