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2020/05/12 11:03:23 (permalink)

 
Introducing EVGA Frostbite 2 Thermal Grease, the next generation in thermal interface material. Designed to deliver a highly-efficient heat transfer under any workload, Frostbite 2 is easy to apply to ensure optimal thermal contact between your CPU or GPU and its heatsink. Whether you’re air cooling, water cooling, gaming or overclocking, EVGA Frostbite 2 Thermal Grease will keep your temperatures on ice.
 
Learn more here: https://www.evga.com/articles/01405/frostbite-2-thermal-grease/
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 11:43:42 (permalink)
    I remember the first frostbite, I think they said it was good for sub-zero temps, as some thermal grease doesn't work as well at ultra-low temps, like with Ln2.
     
    I wonder how it compares to some other thermal grease, the big name ones the most.


     
     
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 12:37:31 (permalink)
     I do remember I use first one Frostbite...... Wonder when Frostbite 2 export for Europe?

     

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 13:09:36 (permalink)
    Looks interesting
     
    Are EVGA branded 1/4 sheet, thermal pads next ?

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 14:05:25 (permalink)
    Well, I was kind of excited to see a new product. For a minute. Then I found the specs on the back of the package.
     
    How can 1.6 W/m-k be good? That seems like extremely low thermal conductivity. I use liquid metal for everything and that is like 75 W/m-k.
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    Learn more here: https://www.evga.com/articles/01405/frostbite-2-thermal-grease/

    Is 1.6 a typo on the package? Should it be 16 W/m-k? Can you check for us and let us know?
     

     
     
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 14:54:31 (permalink)
    Come on EVGA... you know Steve over at Gamers Nexus is going to rip on this chart, do your self a favor and remove it before he does his review. lol 
     
     

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 15:25:10 (permalink)
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    Well, I was kind of excited to see a new product. For a minute. Then I found the specs on the back of the package.
     
    How can 1.6 W/m-k be good? That seems like extremely low thermal conductivity. I use liquid metal for everything and that is like 75 W/m-k.
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    Learn more here: https://www.evga.com/articles/01405/frostbite-2-thermal-grease/

    Is 1.6 a typo on the package? Should it be 16 W/m-k? Can you check for us and let us know?
     

     
     




    Even 16 seems extremely low. I'm using something that is 79 W/mK - now it does an exceptional job in this machine, and it does float quite rapidly (but still staying below old idle temps). 
     
    Something just seems off. 

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 15:25:13 (permalink)
    Is this conductive or non conductive?
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 15:33:24 (permalink)
    1.6 W/mk thermal conductivity. source:  https://www.techpowerup.com/267005/evga-announces-frostbite-2-thermal-interface-material
     
    Toothpaste would be better. 
     
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 15:37:24 (permalink)
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    1.6 W/mk thermal conductivity. source:  https://www.techpowerup.com/267005/evga-announces-frostbite-2-thermal-interface-material
     
    Toothpaste would be better. 
     




    At least it's better than peanut butter! https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/jfq.12205 

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 15:48:44 (permalink)
    That W/mk number is quite low indeed. When I seen this I was like, another contender for pastes? Interesting... (even though I use liquid metal myself for lowest deltas in watercooling, 3C difference between paste and liquid metal from my testing) but that W/mk is very low.
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 17:48:15 (permalink)
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    Well, I was kind of excited to see a new product. For a minute. Then I found the specs on the back of the package.
     
    How can 1.6 W/m-k be good? That seems like extremely low thermal conductivity. I use liquid metal for everything and that is like 75 W/m-k.
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    Learn more here: https://www.evga.com/articles/01405/frostbite-2-thermal-grease/

    Is 1.6 a typo on the package? Should it be 16 W/m-k? Can you check for us and let us know?
     

     
     




    Even 16 seems extremely low. I'm using something that is 79 W/mK - now it does an exceptional job in this machine, and it does float quite rapidly (but still staying below old idle temps). 
     
    Something just seems off. 




    I'm not an expert on thermal paste by any means, but it seems even the highly rated Thermal Grizzy Kryonaut is at 12.5 and that only electrically conductive options can get up near the 60s and 70s meaning a very big gap between electrically conductive and non electrically conductive pastes, in which case, 16 is exceptional for non-conductive, horrible for conductive, and if it's 1.6 it's horrible either way.
     
    I'm going to guess the real number is 11.6? that's a number that seems to be realistic, and I could see it as a likely typo.


     
     
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 17:53:23 (permalink)
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    I'm not an expert on thermal paste by any means, but it seems even the highly rated Thermal Grizzy Kryonaut is at 12.5 and that only electrically conductive options can get up near the 60s and 70s meaning a very big gap between electrically conductive and non electrically conductive pastes, in which case, 16 is exceptional for non-conductive, horrible for conductive, and if it's 1.6 it's horrible either way.
     
    I'm going to guess the real number is 11.6? that's a number that seems to be realistic, and I could see it as a likely typo.




     
    You are quite likely correct, I am using a conductive paste - which really wasn't difficult at all to apply, there are some that should contain serious warnings, others that are quite easy to use. To me the last few 10ths of a degree didn't matter that much. I think it was the applicator that had me assuming it was conductive. 
     
    My bet is you are right at 11.6

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/12 20:54:19 (permalink)
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    Come on EVGA... you know Steve over at Gamers Nexus is going to rip on this chart, do your self a favor and remove it before he does his review. lol 
     
     


    It seems reasonable as if you look at the graph it’s saying it’s 3C better then the worst and 2C better then the other one tested. When you look at the graph it’s realistic numbers. Unfortunately they probably can’t use the other brands name in marketing which makes sense.

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/13 11:48:53 (permalink)
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    Come on EVGA... you know Steve over at Gamers Nexus is going to rip on this chart, do your self a favor and remove it before he does his review. lol 
     
     


    It seems reasonable as if you look at the graph it’s saying it’s 3C better then the worst and 2C better then the other one tested. When you look at the graph it’s realistic numbers. Unfortunately they probably can’t use the other brands name in marketing which makes sense.

     I don't think it has anything to do with the numbers, but how big of a difference there is in the bars, if the minimum was the room temp where the number was taken from (say 22c or so) the tops would be a lot closer, even if in both cases it's 3c and 2c.
     
    it would also be nice if it showed what was being measured, and under what conditions? CPU, GPU, what cooler, doing what, etc.
     
    If you want to compare to the old frostbite 1 here's the article for it from way back when: https://www.evga.com/articles/00638/
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/15 14:31:09 (permalink)
    Can we call it paste and not grease? 


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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/15 15:03:13 (permalink)
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    Can we call it paste and not grease? 


    Since the terms are interchangeable, it doesn’t matter, and doesn’t need to be changed.

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/15 15:37:41 (permalink)
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    Can we call it paste and not grease? 


    Since the terms are interchangeable, it doesn’t matter, and doesn’t need to be changed.

    Here is an article from 5 years ago: https://www.pcgamer.com/w...paste-grease-and-pads/



    Never said it wasn't the same.  Are you in the EVGA's marketing department?


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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/17 08:17:33 (permalink)
    Yeah this makes no sense to call it frostbite 2 with specs like that, i would hope its a misprint. 




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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/17 09:07:46 (permalink)
    Seems that the standard we all look at  W/mK ---> Might not be all that important / or Can Be misleading as used for Marketing ?
     
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/19 18:33:32 (permalink)
    If the spec doesn't mean anything, how does it perform, regardless of it's W/mk?
     
    Haven't found any reviews or testing of it, I mean you'll only get a few degrees different between the best and the worst, which I guess means you can just go with whatever and be fine. Which means you can buy it for the name alone without suffering much.
     
    Still if you want to know how well it performs, more data would be nice, I don't like the idea of "it doesn't really matter so we don't need to make anything good".


     
     
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/20 10:46:45 (permalink)
    Any reviews up yet ...? 

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/21 14:38:38 (permalink)
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    Any reviews up yet ...? 


    We're waiting on reviews from Gamers Nexus and Hardware Asylum.
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/22 11:24:50 (permalink)
    Here's the Hardware asylum review: https://www.hardwareasylu...ooling/evga_frostbite2
     
    Seems to show one of the big factors is how it spreads.
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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/22 11:37:40 (permalink)
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    Here's the Hardware asylum review: https://www.hardwareasylu...ooling/evga_frostbite2
     
    Seems to show one of the big factors is how it spreads.


    Interesting review. Thanks for posting. 




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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/22 12:47:45 (permalink)
    Nice review there from Asylum. But man, someone needs to proofread what he is typing before he posts. "it" is not spelled "ti"...

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/23 23:24:55 (permalink)
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    Here's the Hardware asylum review: https://www.hardwareasylu...ooling/evga_frostbite2
     
    Seems to show one of the big factors is how it spreads.


    Thanx for putting the link up Z. So the new frostbite is a little different then the last version that was geared toward ln2 OC, it seems from this review. It seems to perform pretty well but i def do not like the reviewers 5 dot method on such a small chip, it isnt some giant gpu, and even then its questionable. This shows you: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Thermal-Paste-Application-Techniques-170/   that the best method is a single rice/pea size dot, which almost completely eliminates air bubbles. I dont understand why people feel the need to reinvent the wheel with TIM applications all the time. I know the rice/pea method is boring but it works.

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    Re: Feeling Chilly? EVGA just Released FROSTBITE 2 2020/05/24 05:46:41 (permalink)
    The reviewers explains why he prefers the method as well as why he doesn’t prefer the pea size. It’s all 100% preference, and rarely changes the outcome. With the IHS, the “bubbles” likely won’t cause any issues so there fore wouldn’t matter.

    GPU application would be, and is, extremely important to verify 100% of the die is covered due to the lack of IHS. That is the only time it would likely make much difference which application method is utilized.

    Further, the ryzen chips are now spread over numerous parts of the CPU, so a single pea size application may be insufficient as it may not cover every die above the IHS.

    Best bet is to wait for Gamers Nexus to release their review, as they use a very controlled test now, versus load testing that can be inconsistent even with the same test that are supposedly consistent.

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