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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/29 15:34:26
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relax, 600W is enough for 2080 Ti and 8700k...
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/29 17:34:06
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You guys can throw banter back and forth all you want, just go here Power Supply Calculator - PSU Calculator | OuterVision throw in your system with what ever card you are looking at and if looking to OC give it an decent OC number like 2101mhz (not sure about memory speed, I went with 2002mhz as well) and see what it spits out.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/29 17:39:44
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Or this one 
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/29 20:50:57
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bcavnaugh
Or this one
I did it for 1 and 2 1080Ti and 850Watt for 1 and 1200Watt for 2 which I already have. But doesn't 1 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra draw more power than 1 1080Ti. Which it does.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/29 20:58:48
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Or this one
I did it for 1 and 2 1080Ti and 850Watt for 1 and 1200Watt for 2 which I already have. But doesn't 1 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra draw more power than 1 1080Ti. Which it does.
What does the site I linked report in comparison to what you just did on the EVGA calculator?
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/29 23:38:55
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relax, 600W is enough for 2080 Ti and 8700k...
Yup, relax... Ignore Nvidia's recommendation. Listen to some random Herbet on the internet instead. Spend $1350 on an FTW3 RTX 2080 Ti and cheap out by saving $50 on a 600 Watt PSU instead of following the minimum recommendation. After all, when you buy a game on Steam you always run that on minimum settings and minimum hardware requirements, don't you? And if your system keeps crashing, maybe causing data errors on your system drives, maybe damaging your hardware... relax. Just send Lokator a PM and he will refund the money you spend on the 600 W PSU so you can upgrade to what you should have bought in the first place. It is like the joke about 3 economists in a room. Ask them for their opinion. You walk away with at least 5 answers.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 02:34:09
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Get at least an 850. I would say a 1000 or 1200 would be a wise move for future proofing. But then again I run a 1200 with a overclocked 7900X, 2 1080TI's folding 24x7 and 32GB RAM with a couple SSDs.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 03:13:08
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Or this one
I did it for 1 and 2 1080Ti and 850Watt for 1 and 1200Watt for 2 which I already have. But doesn't 1 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra draw more power than 1 1080Ti. Which it does.
What does the site I linked report in comparison to what you just did on the EVGA calculator?
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 09:07:31
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If you have a 600W PSU you do not Need a higher one. My 8700k uses max 120W at 100% load at stresst test, that with 2080 Ti and 373 W would be less than 500W, the rest from the System wont Need much more W. Also the PSU calculator from Be Quiet ( https://www.bequiet.com/de/psucalculator) says, that you Need max 528 W with 2080 Ti and 8700k + fans and HDDs etc and that is with 100% usage from both GPU and CPU which will never happen. 600W would have efficiency from 91,7%, 650W and 750W 94%, but since you will never use 530W, 600W is most efficient. And even when the PSU could not deliver enough W, the PC would not get Damage, it would just not get onough W and would Clock down. Also Keep in mind that with 373 W the 2080 Ti is Pretty unefficient, the fps/W gets really terrible at 2080 Ti aboth 100% power Limit, so 130% power Limit is enough, but yeah, why not take the 373W. All in all, yeah you really dont Need a new PSU if you have 600W PSU. If you want to buy a higher W one, have fun wasting more Money. If you Need a new PSU anyway, yeah, you could buy 750W, no Problem.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 09:44:06
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Buy a $1000.00 Graphics Card and use a $10.00 Power Supply, Oh How Wise the Green have become.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 09:52:59
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If you have a 600W PSU you do not Need a higher one. My 8700k uses max 120W at 100% load at stresst test, that with 2080 Ti and 373 W would be less than 500W, the rest from the System wont Need much more W. Also the PSU calculator from Be Quiet (https://www.bequiet.com/de/psucalculator) says, that you Need max 528 W with 2080 Ti and 8700k + fans and HDDs etc and that is with 100% usage from both GPU and CPU which will never happen. 600W would have efficiency from 91,7%, 650W and 750W 94%, but since you will never use 530W, 600W is most efficient.
And even when the PSU could not deliver enough W, the PC would not get Damage, it would just not get onough W and would Clock down.
Also Keep in mind that with 373 W the 2080 Ti is Pretty unefficient, the fps/W gets really terrible at 2080 Ti aboth 100% power Limit, so 130% power Limit is enough, but yeah, why not take the 373W.
All in all, yeah you really dont Need a new PSU if you have 600W PSU. If you want to buy a higher W one, have fun wasting more Money.
If you Need a new PSU anyway, yeah, you could buy 750W, no Problem.
While a 600w PSU is probably cutting it close, it is sufficient. However, this is wrong - "And even when the PSU could not deliver enough W, the PC would not get Damage, it would just not get onough W and would Clock down." No, when the PSU cannot supply the power demand, it shuts down, and the system will crash. Also, 80 plus and above rated PSUs are most efficient when power draw is around 50% load.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 09:55:58
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While a 600w PSU is probably cutting it close, it is sufficient. However, this is wrong - "And even when the PSU could not deliver enough W, the PC would not get Damage, it would just not get onough W and would Clock down." No, when the PSU cannot supply the power demand, it shuts down, and the system will crash.
Also, 80 plus and above rated PSUs are most efficient when power draw is around 50% load.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 10:02:30
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I have a 110€ 600 W power supply and more Watt doesn’t mean better PSU to the first answer. 2nd ok thx I wasn’t sure just wanted to say you can still use the 600W and you will se if it’s not enough and it would not destroy your PC. 3rd hm ok just wanted to say that my PSU is pretty efficient with 2080 Ti and 8700k. Just in conclusion you have not to get panic with a good 600W PSU and I also don’t think a good 600W PSU crashes at 601 W, it has probably a bit more headroom and is just branded as 600W, I am not sure, but a friend told me that who knows stuff like that
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 10:15:23
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More Watts Means A More Stable System and a Longer Lasting System or Longer Life in General. A Power Supply Crashes on the 12VDC Rail Not the Overall Power Being Pulled or Used.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/09/30 11:12:09
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yeah, I would also buy a higher W PSU now, but since I have 600W I also have not to worry.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 11:28:07
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More Watts Means A More Stable System and a Longer Lasting System or Longer Life in General.
A Power Supply Crashes on the 12VDC Rail Not the Overall Power Being Pulled or Used.
A good example of this being on this thread where a guy with an overclocked RTX 2080 Ti was tripping out a fairly high specification 850 W power supply and tripping the 12V rail. Switching from multi rail to single rail solved the problem for him. But it illustrates that these graphics cards are quite demanding. I imagine that when we start to use ray tracing blocks of the chips as well as the conventional rasterisation silicon they will become even more hungry for amps. https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9kghnp/psa_2080ti_and_corsair_digital_psu_owners/
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 11:33:14
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I personally would go for at least ~850 watts if you're going to run a TI and oc your rig. I'm watching my TI XC ultra and 7700k @ 5ghz draw around 500 watts.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 11:56:58
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This thread makes me nervous about if my evga 750W g3 will hold up even without OC on an 8700k + FTW3 2080ti....
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 12:00:47
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Where is the FTW and FTW2? Straight to FTW3? EVGA is silly. Come next year, we will have a FTW5. And in a couple years, the FTW7 will be the product release version of the LTX 4000 series card. What were they thinking?!?
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 12:01:11
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If you have a 600W PSU you do not Need a higher one. My 8700k uses max 120W at 100% load at stresst test, that with 2080 Ti and 373 W would be less than 500W, the rest from the System wont Need much more W. Also the PSU calculator from Be Quiet (https://www.bequiet.com/de/psucalculator) says, that you Need max 528 W with 2080 Ti and 8700k + fans and HDDs etc and that is with 100% usage from both GPU and CPU which will never happen. 600W would have efficiency from 91,7%, 650W and 750W 94%, but since you will never use 530W, 600W is most efficient.
And even when the PSU could not deliver enough W, the PC would not get Damage, it would just not get onough W and would Clock down.
Also Keep in mind that with 373 W the 2080 Ti is Pretty unefficient, the fps/W gets really terrible at 2080 Ti aboth 100% power Limit, so 130% power Limit is enough, but yeah, why not take the 373W.
All in all, yeah you really dont Need a new PSU if you have 600W PSU. If you want to buy a higher W one, have fun wasting more Money.
If you Need a new PSU anyway, yeah, you could buy 750W, no Problem.
While a 600w PSU is probably cutting it close, it is sufficient. However, this is wrong - "And even when the PSU could not deliver enough W, the PC would not get Damage, it would just not get onough W and would Clock down." No, when the PSU cannot supply the power demand, it shuts down, and the system will crash.
Also, 80 plus and above rated PSUs are most efficient when power draw is around 50% load.
Yep, any wattage can spike. If you're running at 500W and it somehow creates a spike, it could cause a system shutdown. 500W on a 600W PSU is just asking for trouble. I'd go 750 gold rated at the very least for the 2080 ti FTW3 and higher end proc.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 12:02:17
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This thread makes me nervous about if my evga 750W g3 will hold up even without OC on an 8700k + FTW3 2080ti....
I would plan to upgrade that for a FTW3.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 12:16:09
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This thread makes me nervous about if my evga 750W g3 will hold up even without OC on an 8700k + FTW3 2080ti....
If that was me, I would definitely buy myself a new PSU, probably a 1000W or maybe even higher. I am considering replacing my 850W for my OCd 8086k and to be delivered 2080Ti FTW3
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 13:42:45
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Where is the FTW and FTW2? Straight to FTW3? EVGA is silly. Come next year, we will have a FTW5. And in a couple years, the FTW7 will be the product release version of the LTX 4000 series card. What were they thinking?!?
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 14:13:45
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Don‘t worry guys. Even 600W is more than enough if its not from china.
600W probably won't be enough if next-gen CPU is overclocked too.
And all EVGA's power supplies are from China though.
850W
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 14:36:35
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I like how if I select 8700k + 2080ti from EVGA's power calculator it recommends 550W 
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 14:38:35
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Don‘t worry guys. Even 600W is more than enough if its not from china.
600W probably won't be enough if next-gen CPU is overclocked too.
And all EVGA's power supplies are from China though.
850W
With a 2080ti xc ultra @ 2025mhz and a 7700k at 5ghz, I'm seeing a max draw of 529 watts running prime 95 behind timespy extreme.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 14:44:46
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Don‘t worry guys. Even 600W is more than enough if its not from china.
600W probably won't be enough if next-gen CPU is overclocked too.
And all EVGA's power supplies are from China though.
850W
With a 2080ti xc ultra @ 2025mhz and a 7700k at 5ghz, I'm seeing a max draw of 529 watts running prime 95 behind timespy extreme.
2025mhz base clock and 5ghz 7th gen = 529W? So why are people worried about getting 1200W PSUs? Is it just to hit the 50% efficiency? I see there's some 12v tripping issues but like... c'mon.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 14:51:02
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rv112
Don‘t worry guys. Even 600W is more than enough if its not from china.
600W probably won't be enough if next-gen CPU is overclocked too.
And all EVGA's power supplies are from China though.
850W
With a 2080ti xc ultra @ 2025mhz and a 7700k at 5ghz, I'm seeing a max draw of 529 watts running prime 95 behind timespy extreme.
2025mhz base clock and 5ghz 7th gen = 529W? So why are people worried about getting 1200W PSUs? Is it just to hit the 50% efficiency? I see there's some 12v tripping issues but like... c'mon.
I wouldn't risk running a 650 watt psu with the FTW, for sure. 1200 isn't needed except for efficiency and futureproofing for expansion. I'm going to throw an ax1600i in my new build for the efficiency and quality of components... and it's only $50 more than the 1200i right now.
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 15:00:15
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850w evga g2 all you need ftw3 2080 ti
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Re: FTW3 max Power is 373W (150%)
2018/10/01 15:00:52
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Are you sure 1.6kW is future proof enough?
Super flower should have 2kW psu, better purchase it as a dedicated psu for a video card to be on the safe side.
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