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2019/05/14 00:10:40 (permalink)
Anyone eVGA Folding and Folding Client Software running on Linux?
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/14 01:58:20 (permalink)
    Yes.
     
    higher ppd too.

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/14 03:28:57 (permalink)
    Out of curiosity, what's the average increase in PPD?
     
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/14 03:42:32 (permalink)
    As a second question - if one were to set up a second drive with linux on it strictly for folding, what's the current suggested distro?

    And does anyone have a current step by step for the process? Is the client still able to run strictly CLI, or do we have to have a gui setup in order to run it these days?
     
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/14 04:27:36 (permalink)
    Chris21010 made a very nice guide - How to:  Guide to Build/Install/Setup your own Multi-GPU Linux Folding Rig
     
    I am not sure if it is possible with more than two GPU in the Rig .... or why this guide seems intended for only 2 GPU

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/14 05:53:28 (permalink)
    that guide was made for 2 GPU because at the time it was assumed you needed pcie gen 3 x8 minimum for best performance. i did not find out till much later that it was actually the windows 10 OS that requires high pcie lane count and not F@H. https://forums.evga.com/FH-Performance-Assessments-amp-Comparisons-m2774698.aspx shows my tests and you can easily run a 1080ti on a pcie gen 3 x1 lane and not loose performance wile running linux, but on windows 10 its about 80% loss on the same hardware.
     
    as for which linux distro to use, it doesnt really matter. i just liked mint because installing the nvidia driver can be a nightmare on some distro of linux, but not impossible.
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/14 10:23:44 (permalink)
    I have 3 rigs on mint. 1 has 2 cards, another has 3 cards (both of those are x99 boards) my 3rd rig is an x58 x4 classy with 4 cards. Mint is very nicely structured and easy to use. Firewall is off by default so click that on. It updates smoothly while using or even folding without bogging down.
    If your drive has a lot of unused space it will ask if you want a partition on it , so you may or may not need an extra drive. You can put it on a USB flash drive too.
    Some boards have given an error during installation "nuvue" something or other , not spelling that right. It doesn't like 1080's so if you see this, save your Google searches and drop a 1070 or lower end card in, repeat installation and then reboot with the higher end card.
    I'm on my phone right now and search is a pia on it, but I had a thread "what ppd should I expect " that I documented my migration over from windows. That was before core 22 wu's
     
    https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2806658
     
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/15 13:57:37 (permalink)
    It’s been more difficult to set up python support on Mint 19 so I’d recommend version 18.3 or earlier. My guess 10% more points is about average.


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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/15 17:00:42 (permalink)
    I’m currently trying out Ubuntu Mate 18.4.2 anyone good luck with other Ubuntu flavors, for gaming, folding and game/modeling development ?

    The system won’t be Dedicated F@H, just my desktop, work and play. Down the road, I might even look into folding my own custom proteins ...
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/15 17:08:17 (permalink)
    Ubuntu works good for everything but folding. You need the previous lts build for folding to work.
    I tried the past 3 ubuntu versions and current linux mint. None of them could pull in the proper dependencies.
    I'm gonna try fedora tommorow.

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/15 17:51:15 (permalink)
    I’d be open to doing a dual boot “both Linux “

    Can you partition on a SSD with Linux, dual boots?
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/15 18:02:08 (permalink)
    Sure, with 2 linux it's a little convoluted. Best to find one that works with all your activities. It just sucks that Stanford won't keep their packages current. Maybe they could use one of the newer all inclusive packaging formats, flatpack I think they call it.
    They currently rely on python 2 and gnome 2, both of which are superceded by version 3. And gnome 2 is not in the current distribution tree.

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/15 19:30:42 (permalink)
    Stick with Ubuntu? Maybe 19.04 Mate, Mint or Cin would run smoother...


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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/16 04:00:41 (permalink)
    I’m testing Disco Dingo (Ubuntu 19.1) but no folding so far. The latest nvidia driver may be the problem. All crunching projects I’ve tried have worked good.


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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/16 15:14:00 (permalink)
    Got fah to install on fedora 30. Got nvidia drivers setup but haven't yet figured out the GPU folding. I'm thinking of installing cuda and whatnot and rebooting.
    Got boinc working right now.

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/16 15:25:01 (permalink)
    in all honesty if the rig is simply a F@H dedicated rig i see no point in upgrading to the latest OS if its a hassle to do so. as nothing on the machine is sensitive and if you have a proper firewall or VPN in place it should be relatively secure.


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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/17 03:28:04 (permalink)
    Just as word of reminder/warning - do NOT get complacent with Linux security. The apps are under constant attack as the OS gets more popular and used more regularly, and it is VITAL that you upgrade the packages on your system regularly. You don't want to be caught unawares and have a 'non-vital' system end up being the gateway into the rest of your home network.
     
    However, based on a couple of days of testing, it appears my main gaming box / power folder adds a full half a million points ppd when folding under Linux vs Windows. 

    I cleared a 60 gig partition, installed Mint, after running head first into a couple of undocumented gotchas (Because everyone's system is just a little different) and got things running JUST right. Now, I can just reboot the pc, choose the linux partition from BIOS/UEFI and when I'm done, reboot and it'll load windows by default. Nice and slick!
     
    So, thank you for the guide! It's an excellent basis to start from, and the issues I ran into were easily fixed with some minor time on Google. AND!! I didn't have to spend hours hunting up esoteric drivers for my RAID cards! They were picked up from the start!
     
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/17 05:23:45 (permalink)
    The Mint forums are quite helpful as well. Glad you got it going.


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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/17 05:44:18 (permalink)
    and that is what i meant by proper firewall/VPN setup. because if done right that machine is isolated from the rest of your machines such that even if it does get infected it can not spread.


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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/17 06:21:17 (permalink)
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    and that is what i meant by proper firewall/VPN setup. because if done right that machine is isolated from the rest of your machines such that even if it does get infected it can not spread.

    Firewall/VPN only does so much. Have you tried vlans? Those would isolate the machine and prevent lan contamination. I still think keeping up with security patches and running a supported is essential to good computing.

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/17 08:09:22 (permalink)
    drougnor
     
    However, based on a couple of days of testing, it appears my main gaming box / power folder adds a full half a million points ppd when folding under Linux vs Windows. 
     
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    As a percentage what was the increase ? 

    You can just PM - if you do not want to publish on forums

    The other question .... did your Wattage / power draw  - increase, decrease or stay about the same ?
     
    Looks like I am leaving some PPD on the table & am curious about the % increase on might see

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/17 11:47:23 (permalink)
    Today's windows's folding garnered me an avg of ~2.044 million PPD. I was getting ~2.55 million PPD under Mint. I'll need to go back into Mint to run another test for the wattage draw.

    And none of the cards are being overclocked, either! That's what's killing me! it's all down to how Windows handles PCIe Lanes and all the additional crap the CPU has to deal with!
     
    I do believe I'm currently sold on switching over to linux for my folding. I'm going to also explore seeing if I can get my box to transparently look like the Windows install (Shared drives/folders/services) to the other systems in my house as well. If I can pull that off, I may only go back to windows for gaming.
     
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/17 12:12:46 (permalink)
     increase is awesome 
     
     

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/17 17:28:37 (permalink)
    As I suspected, it's the same increase in performance PPD wise, but no increase in the watts used. Yup, I'm definitely sold.
     
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/19 21:00:34 (permalink)
    Anyone, GPU driver issues with Mint or Mate?


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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/21 19:56:34 (permalink)
    Here's a guide for Lubuntu.
    Multi GPU support, overclocking and power saving settings explained;
    Works as well for Ubuntu, or Xubuntu, or Mint (in some ways):
    https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=31595
     
    Lubuntu is a closer step from Windows, as it uses similar desktop layout.
    It's also a very light OS.
    And it's the only OS that has installed on nearly all my laptops and desktops flawlessly, and works without any major issues!
     
    PPD Difference in Windows and Linux is about 10-20%.
    More on PCIE 1x slots, less on 4x or 8x slots, which have enough bandwidth for Windows.
     
    NO Linux over 18.10 will work, not mint, not Ubuntu, because FAH is dependent on Python2, which is incompatible with Linux kernel 5 found in Ubuntu and Mint 19.04.
    The latest supported Linux is 18.10; or 18.04 if you want extended support (LTS).
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/21 22:01:24 (permalink)
    @knightsilver - we'll need to know exactly WHAT issues you're having with the gpus. If you follow the instructions given, you should be all set, but SOME configurations require an added step. Let us know what exactly it is that IS or ISN'T happening, and we'll be able to help better than just saying 'google it, newb'
     
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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/22 12:38:52 (permalink)
    General Question for those on Linux: 
     
     
    What third party Security software is being used to keep your Rigs Safe ? anti-malware, anti-virus & firewall
     
    I'm not sure if what I have works under Linux OS

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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/22 13:12:41 (permalink)
    I suppose I'm probably NOT the best person to recommend a 3rd party app. I rely on a few differing pieces to secure stuff at home. Additionally, I only currently fold on those boxes, so I don't have other security needs beyond what I've already got in place, just yet.
     
    First is a NAT router. MOST of the malware infections running around the net rely on a direct connection to a pc, and unless you set the NAT router up to do port forwarding, most external requests just get dumped flat out. Also, changing the default user and password on the router is a MUST. NEVER leave those at default.
     
    Second, I don't disable the built in firewalls. If I need to allow a specific program through so the other pcs will see it, like the FAHControl app so I can control the linux boxes FAHClient without using something like TeamViewer, I do so on a one by one basis and ONLY allow it out to the LAN, not the external internet. (Again, no port forwarding on the NAT router).
     
    The BIGGEST thing is that I disable UPnP on EVERY system and in the router. I am the one who makes changes to the network, nothing or no one else.
    Lastly, I deal with the adware by blocking ads with a PiHole.  This just keeps any potentially malware infested ads from showing up on any website I go to, minimizing that vector. 

    On Windows, additionally, I ensure that the Windows Defender definitions are updated routinely (Have a .cmd line script that runs 2x a day) and I run Spybot Search and Destroy to update my local hosts file to prevent known malicious websites from being accessed by those systems.
     
    Installing a Firefox addon like uBlockOrigin also does a LOT to protect from a LOT of malware vectors.

    Don't open attachments in e-mail until you've VERIFIED with the sender that it is a GOOD attachment. Like, pick up the phone to verify. NEVER Trust just on the name alone.
     
    This is, by far NOT a bullet proof setup, but it has kept our computers absolutely malware free for several years.

    TL:DR - A NAT router with a PiHole will do MOST of the heavy lifting to keep malware out of your network. Good common sense when surfing/using computers will do the rest, regardless of OS.


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    Re: F@H On Linux? 2019/05/22 13:50:52 (permalink)
    Thank you for those Helpful details

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