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2020/11/20 15:01:16 (permalink)
Hey,
 
I've got a evga z490 dark and a quantumX delta tec on order, will it work?
 
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/11/20 17:50:55 (permalink)
    Mattis
    Hey,
     
    I've got a evga z490 dark and a quantumX delta tec on order, will it work?
     
    /Mattis


    Yes it will work as it is made for the Intel LGA1200 socket. It says it right on the page itself.
    https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantumx-delta-tec

    Processor Intel® Core™ i9 10900K CPU 3.7GHz@5.4ghz, Memory 32GB GSkill Trident Z RPG 3000 Ram, Sabrent Rocket Q4, Motherboard eVga Z490 FTW WiFi, Operating System Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit, eVga 3090 FTW3 Ultra 24G, Monitor Acer CG437K, Logitech G910, Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition,Thermaltake Core P8, eVga SUPERNOVA 1000 G3 PSU, Custom watercooling.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/11/20 20:51:16 (permalink)
    It requires a bios update on the motherboards on the compatibility list.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/11/20 22:43:03 (permalink)
    Mattis
    It requires a bios update on the motherboards on the compatibility list.

    Maybe they will have one by then and if not then request a new bios to work with it.

    Processor Intel® Core™ i9 10900K CPU 3.7GHz@5.4ghz, Memory 32GB GSkill Trident Z RPG 3000 Ram, Sabrent Rocket Q4, Motherboard eVga Z490 FTW WiFi, Operating System Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit, eVga 3090 FTW3 Ultra 24G, Monitor Acer CG437K, Logitech G910, Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition,Thermaltake Core P8, eVga SUPERNOVA 1000 G3 PSU, Custom watercooling.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/11/20 22:58:04 (permalink)
    I have the EK TEC on order and would also like EVGA to work with EK to make sure the Dark mobo is compatible. 
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/11/30 20:09:06 (permalink)
    Also have one on order and would like the Dark Kindpin to be compatible. 


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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/12/01 15:33:04 (permalink)
    I also would love this support. I submitted a suggestion at the below link.
     
    https://www.evga.com/support/suggestions.asp
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/12/02 21:16:01 (permalink)
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    Also have one on order and would like the Dark Kindpin to be compatible. 


    Same here. EVGA please get our motherboards on EK's compatible parts list.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/12/30 23:35:43 (permalink)
    I too have ordered this combo and hope it gets to the list
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/12/31 14:03:33 (permalink)
    I have the EKWB Delta TEC in my hands right now.
     
    I am using a EVGA Z490 FTW motherboard.
     
    The TEC does NOT WORK with the 12/18/2020 BIOS update.
     
    EVGA what is going on? I thought Intel Cryo Technology was compatible with ALL Z490 motherboards.
     
    EDIT:
    EVGA responded -

    "Currently our z490 boards do not have the update for intel cryo technology as of yet, we are still working with our product management team and development team to see if this technology can be brought to our EVGA boards. we do appreciate your patience in the matter and we hope to have an official update very soon. 
    Regards, EVGA"
     
    post edited by gwas101 - 2020/12/31 15:24:05
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2020/12/31 20:35:13 (permalink)
    Hm. I am using the Cryo Cooler with my 490 Dark Kingpin just fine. Per the instruction manual, the only hard requirement of the motherboard for the cooler to work is physical clearance so the block can make a proper seal against it when mounted. The mentioned bios update is just to enable their thermal velocity boost overclocking as there is a cpu microcode update to do so. However if you're not looking to use that feature, then I am unsure what issue would be preventing you from using this. My 10900k at 5.2ghz all core is happily sitting at 19c on all cores thanks to this beautiful piece of tech. :) 
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/01 11:57:45 (permalink)
    Here are a few pictures from the block. I mounted the controller behind the motherboard. 



     
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/01 12:01:21 (permalink)
    Here are my current core temps and the Intel software showing the TEC plate running in Cryo mode: 
     

     
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/01 12:03:53 (permalink)
    If you're having issues with the TEC plate itself not working - without knowing any more info about what you're experiencing, here is what I would check: 
    • All the physical connections to the controller; (i.e. the 8 pin pci-e header and the usb to usb header connection) 
    • Ensure that usb header is enabled in your bios :) 
    • Ensure the driver and Intel software are installed. 
    • Does the device show up in device manager? What does the software say? Are there any lights showing on the controller? 
     
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/01 12:05:09 (permalink)
    I apologize in advance for this question but did you double check the orientation of the USB header? Given it's a 5 pin header, it's physically possible to plug it into the wrong pins. :) 
     
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/01 18:01:01 (permalink)
    You reckon that you could go direct die with the Delta Tec using this?
    https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/collections/10th-gen/products/10th-gen-direct-to-die-frame 
    post edited by NICROD - 2021/01/01 18:33:47
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/01 20:03:59 (permalink)
    How are temps under load though. If you loop cinebench r20 for a few minutes what do your temps peak at? From what ive tested the cooler has a hard time keeping up with 200+ watt loads, my buddy has it on a apex, but only has a 360mm radiator. Maybe it just needs enough radiator space to handle temps at high load. Im on direct die now with evga z490 dark and also wonder if it would with direct die.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/01 20:07:39 (permalink)
    It is explicitly not made for that use-case so I wouldn't expect it to perform as well as a normal EK water block in that scenario. It's one reason they're touting the new ability to OC TVB so much as THAT is the intent. 
     
    That being said, my CPU temps are staying under 35 while gaming. 
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/01 21:11:17 (permalink)
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    It is explicitly not made for that use-case so I wouldn't expect it to perform as well as a normal EK water block in that scenario. It's one reason they're touting the new ability to OC TVB so much as THAT is the intent. 
     
    That being said, my CPU temps are staying under 35 while gaming. 


    Either way its a awesome tech. Think how much it will benefit next gen cpus that dont draw so much power. I pull over 300 watts in cinebench r20 @5.4 with temps in mid 60s. When you installed it did it look like the block could sit low enough for direct die.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/02 08:46:39 (permalink)
    MackWage
    It is explicitly not made for that use-case so I wouldn't expect it to perform as well as a normal EK water block in that scenario. It's one reason they're touting the new ability to OC TVB so much as THAT is the intent. 
     
    That being said, my CPU temps are staying under 35 while gaming. 


    How many rads are in your loop?
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/02 10:44:21 (permalink)
    Unsure on direct-die. For rads, I have a 420GTX and a 140GTX. Had to lose a rad for the 3090 KPE AIO ... cannot wait for the hydro copper! 
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/02 12:12:36 (permalink)
    After using it for a day and a half,  going to share my initial observations and impressions. 
    • First - I am generally very happy with it. And accepting this is very much a gen 1 version, I am excited to see what the future holds for this tech. 
    • Here is my build and setup for context: 
      • Case: Be Quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev 2 which is known to emphasize silence more than airflow.. i.e. known to trap heat so other cases may certainly perform even better.
      • CPU: 10900k set to all core 52, uncore 49, vcore 1.34v, vsa and vccio set to 1.4v. AVX offset -2
      • Rads: I have a 420gtx and a 140gtx (both as exhaust) and both with push/pull config with primarily Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-2000 PWM
      • GPU: I have the 3090 KPE so it has its own AIO which is hogging the front intake mount on my case.. but in a push/pull with six Lian Li SL120s
      • Mobo: evga z490 dark kpe and bios 1.09
      • Delta TEC: I only use standby or Cryo modes. I have not even touched unregulated mode.
    • The cooler and TEC plate operation are virtually silent. So the only noise from your setup would be your fans. Since the TEC is so powerful, I've been able to keep all of my fans in the 800-1200 rpm range ( I just opt for higher rpm while playing games no matter what). My liquid temps only get up to the low 30s when I'm doing all-core benchmarking. (Cinebench, OCCT).. otherwise it seems to hover around 26c. 
    • When you reboot your computer, the TEC plate does NOT start automatically. The software puts it in standby mode so the TEC plate is not running and it's just relying on the passive liquid cooling. I have found that for normal daily tasks (web browsing, watching videos, office stuff), one can just keep it on stand by mode. With my Windows power profile set to Balanced - the cpu temps mainly stay in the high 30s and sometimes spike to 50s for a given job but stay within that range. This range is completely acceptable to me so I keep the TEC plate off and save on that power usage. 
    • You can mount the controller box anywhere in your case as long as the cables from the cpu waterblock can reach it. I didn't realize this until I started connecting it so I opted to mount it on the back of the motherboard tray. I personally feel the look of the controller box on top, especially with the USB cable coming out of the top, looks rather... silly. Hopefully that will be addressed by gen 2. The one thing to keep in mind is that some of the sensors are in fact in the controller box which is important for it to balance cooling vs temp/dew point. So don't like mount it outside of the case. 
    • Once you enable Cryo mode, it's not like a flat 200w power consumption by any means. The power consumption of the TEC plate is essentially dictated by how hard it has to work in order to cool your CPU. So while under all core stress loads like Cinebench, it will pretty much run at the full 200w. However during 'normal' use, I often see it using as little as 17w.
    • I haven't really explored Intel XTU before but now that I have this cooler, I can see some real value in further exploring it. You can create different OC profiles for different applications. When combined with the new ability to OC TVB, you could probably easily reach 5.6 - 5.7 ghz on a 10900k in some standard non-avx workloads (e.g. gaming). Specific to all-core benchmarking : as several Youtubers have noted and as stated in the documentation, this cooler is specifically not meant for that kind of workload and will perform poorly when compared against other standard waterblocks. For me personally, I am not worried about this as I don't have any normal workloads which mimic that kind of use-case, however here are some observations from trying those workloads. 
      • As you would guess, AVX all core workloads are the biggest hurdle for this cooler. 
      • Cinebench R15: temps quickly jump to the high 60s and stay there for the whole test. Scores ranged 2800-2830
      • Cinebench R23: temps quickly jump to the 70s and hit 82 by end of render pass two. Score 16274.
      • Geekbench: temps rapidly jumped between 50s and 20s. Scores single core 5956, multi core 52138
      • Intel XTU: 4223 marks and highest cpu temp 61
      • After any of the above tests concluded, the CPU temps were almost instantly back down to 20 degrees. 
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/02 12:15:20 (permalink)
    MackWage
    Unsure on direct-die. For rads, I have a 420GTX and a 140GTX. Had to lose a rad for the 3090 KPE AIO ... cannot wait for the hydro copper! 


    Our systems are very similar. Those are some great temps for a 420+140 using the TEC. I have one but I have not decided if I will open it or sell it yet. I have a 420mm rad I can loop it into also, and one more 420, but I planned on using that one for my card. I am very tempted to install the Tec, but would like to see other experiences first.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/02 12:17:17 (permalink)
    Yeah.. I am actually thinking about doing a case modification to mine so I can side mount the KPE AIO and put my 420gts back on the front
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/02 19:44:42 (permalink)
    Ive got a hardware labs rad too, the gtr 480 dedicated to the cpu. Thanks for all the info on the new tech. I'll probably just stick with direct die this gen because it allows me to run a all core of 5.4ghz with max temps in high 60s during 2 hour realbench 2.56 run. The tech does seem cool and ill keep a eye on how it progresses in the future.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/02 19:50:44 (permalink)
    Awesome .. I have never tried direct die
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/05 19:12:17 (permalink)
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    Awesome .. I have never tried direct die


    I'm currently running direct die with an Optimus block, keeps the CPU nice and cool.  I bought one of EK's TEC coolers and asked them directly if I could do direct die, their response was:
     
    The direct die cooling and the Quantum X Delta TEC would not work best together as for the Quantum X Delta TEC, there needs to be no die cooling involved to perform as intended, so the mentioned cooling TEC is meant for non-direct die cooling since the gasket (foam) needs to make the compression around the socket, so you will need to use the IHS in non-direct die (normal CPU IHS) only. 
     
    So it appears to be an issue with sealing and the gasket.  I can see their point.  Without the IHS you're compressing the gasket a bit more and they're concerned it may affect the seal.  So I bought a full cooper IHS from RockitCool that has a little more surface area.  Should be a decent replacement and with the TEC should still be able to keep the die nice and cool.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/01/07 19:35:13 (permalink)
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    Awesome .. I have never tried direct die


    I'm currently running direct die with an Optimus block, keeps the CPU nice and cool.  I bought one of EK's TEC coolers and asked them directly if I could do direct die, their response was:
     
    The direct die cooling and the Quantum X Delta TEC would not work best together as for the Quantum X Delta TEC, there needs to be no die cooling involved to perform as intended, so the mentioned cooling TEC is meant for non-direct die cooling since the gasket (foam) needs to make the compression around the socket, so you will need to use the IHS in non-direct die (normal CPU IHS) only. 
     
    So it appears to be an issue with sealing and the gasket.  I can see their point.  Without the IHS you're compressing the gasket a bit more and they're concerned it may affect the seal.  So I bought a full cooper IHS from RockitCool that has a little more surface area.  Should be a decent replacement and with the TEC should still be able to keep the die nice and cool.


    Great info, thanks for sharing. I was actually considering one of their copper IHS's. Let us know how that works for you.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/02/01 15:24:42 (permalink)
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    Awesome .. I have never tried direct die


    I'm currently running direct die with an Optimus block, keeps the CPU nice and cool.  I bought one of EK's TEC coolers and asked them directly if I could do direct die, their response was:
     
    The direct die cooling and the Quantum X Delta TEC would not work best together as for the Quantum X Delta TEC, there needs to be no die cooling involved to perform as intended, so the mentioned cooling TEC is meant for non-direct die cooling since the gasket (foam) needs to make the compression around the socket, so you will need to use the IHS in non-direct die (normal CPU IHS) only. 
     
    So it appears to be an issue with sealing and the gasket.  I can see their point.  Without the IHS you're compressing the gasket a bit more and they're concerned it may affect the seal.  So I bought a full cooper IHS from RockitCool that has a little more surface area.  Should be a decent replacement and with the TEC should still be able to keep the die nice and cool.


    Great info, thanks for sharing. I was actually considering one of their copper IHS's. Let us know how that works for you.


    Going to be a bit of time before I get around to this.  I was waiting until the 3090 KPE blocks came in to tear apart my loop again and at the same time swap out the CPU block.  No ETAs on the HC block, no news from Optimus on theirs, and EK won't be making a block.  So my cooper IHS and TEc sit and wait.
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    Re: Evga z490 dark and EK-QuantumX Delta TEC 2021/02/02 05:51:57 (permalink)
    I installed my ekwb tec cooler last night.  Driver is installed, intel program is installed but I came up with 2 errors.
     
    1. Service has tried to TEC rest board 3 times and failed.  Please try reboot your system.
    2. Invalid configuration detected, please contact support.
     
    TVB is enabled in Intel XTU program as well.
     
    Any thoughts?
     
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