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2011/07/05 15:53:06 (permalink)
Hello. I have my first new Evga card coming to me on Friday. To say I am excited is a understatement. I am coming from a 9800GT! So it should be a huge improvement. Any ways. My question is about overclocking. I noticed both the SC and FTW edition seem to be using the same cooler? Do you think I can OC it to the clocks of the FTW edition?
 
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http://www.evga.com/produ...eries%20Family&sw=
 
And here is the FTW edition I am comparing it to.
 
http://www.evga.com/produ...eries%20Family&sw=
 
How is Evga with warranty regarding overclocking? They really seem to mention the good tools they have for this stuff. Being their own brand. Would I need additional cooling? I thought they are essentially the same cards? With FTW edition being clocked higher? Maybe they make these other versions SC, SSC and FTW editions for a reason? Maybe the SC cannot be clocked higher?

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 16:22:55 (permalink)
    Have you read the warranty page? 
    http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/
     As for Overclocking your 560, 
    EVGA has a tool called Precision which lets you adjust your clock values thats pretty much what they do to make SSC and FTW editions the only thing youre paying for in the Overclocked cards is the guarentee that they are capable of those clocks so Download Precision and try to SLOWLY up the clocks bit by bit running a stress test like Furmark to test the stability and temperature. Generally the worst you can do by turning the clocks up too high is cause it to crash then it will restart the videocard at default clocks and you try again
     
    Msi has a tool called Afterburner (they're all based on a program called Rivatuner so they all work on any nvidia card) which is the same thing as Precision only with Voltage adjustment thats where you nee to start really being careful what you do

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 16:23:07 (permalink)
    They are the same physical card, as to which will overclock better there is no answer. Its possible to get a standard card that will out clock an FTW version, or vice versa. The FTW version of the card is however tested for stability by us. Your more than welcome to overclock any of our cards, but we do not offer tech support or guarantee stability if you do so.

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 16:36:47 (permalink)
    If they are the same cards. What would hold the card back from oc and being stable as the FTW edition? Technical reasons? Components are of higher quality? Another thing I noticed. While it looks like the SC and FTW editions are using the same cooler. The SSC version uses dual fans with a backplate. And that is clocked lower then the FTW edition. Why is the extra hardware needed for it? Yet FTW edition has the same cooler as SC and clocked higher then the SSC edition. I am confused. 
     
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    They are the same physical card, as to which will overclock better there is no answer. Its possible to get a standard card that will out clock an FTW version, or vice versa. The FTW version of the card is however tested for stability by us. Your more than welcome to overclock any of our cards, but we do not offer tech support or guarantee stability if you do so.


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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 16:40:11 (permalink)
    The card's are all the same, we offer different fans and cooling to fit people's unique needs in their case. In terms of the over clock it depends on the GPU. Some chips clock higher than others.

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 16:50:10 (permalink)
    When you say some chips clock higher then others. When Evga makes FTW editions of this card and test for stability. Are they taking the chips being made and pull some to the side then test to try and make them FTW editions? If it fails it gets named to another edition? Also I am hearing the Evga OC Scanner is not good to use as it puts extra stress that will never be used when playing actual games? Thank you for answering my questions and being patient with me.

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 16:52:56 (permalink)
    Not all cards are tested to see if they would be stable at FTW speeds. OC Scanner is a great tool to test for stability, depending on your system it is possible to get your GPU usage to 99%, for instance F@H - folding at home.

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 16:54:21 (permalink)
    Yes, they pull some aside and try to get them to stably run at the desired Clock  for ftw and the ones that dont are sold as sc or normal but that doesnt mean all normal or SC cant clock to FTW clocks.
    And EVGA OC Scanner is a stability test it tests your graphics card under full load and so generally you run the stress test for a while see how hot it gets under full temp and if it can maintain that clock setting without crashing
     
    While its true most games wont FULLY max out your graphics card like a stress test its still nice to know your setting are stable even under full load

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 17:11:20 (permalink)
    How long do you guys advise running the stress test with the evga oc scanner? Should I manually set a max temp. to reach before the test stops automatically if it gets to high? Also. A bit off topic. But, do the back plates do anything for cooling? Or are they more or less. Just for style and protection for the back?

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 17:16:06 (permalink)
    I run them for at least 10 minutes but you can run them as long as you wanna test stability the longer the better
    theyre just for show besides the 560 doesnt have a backplate
    The 560 TI is getting one apparently eventually

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 18:41:40 (permalink)
    10 mins would be fine...dont fry your card
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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/05 18:56:53 (permalink)
    I love my 560Ti FTW, I think that's what it is. 
     
    At 100% fan it'll cool it down to 26-27C. At full load I've never hit above 62C, it had a spike to 68 but it's happened twice.



     
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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/06 00:05:59 (permalink)
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    I love my 560Ti FTW, I think that's what it is. 

    At 100% fan it'll cool it down to 26-27C. At full load I've never hit above 62C, it had a spike to 68 but it's happened twice.


    how do you have a Ti FTW? 0.o
    and why do you keep it on 100% fanspeed? as the temp goes down it should be lowering the fanspeed heck I have mine set to jump from 80% to 100% at 80* and it rarely exceeds 80 under full load

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/06 04:09:57 (permalink)
    I've got the 560ti SC. 
     
    For the fan, I did it to test how low it would get on cooling. I don't leave it on 100%. Only time it ever get's left on any setting is at 85%
    when I start folding. I tried a fan profile but I didnt like the temps, So I went with just 85%



     
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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/06 07:54:21 (permalink)
    ahh ok gotcha i read that post an I was like 0.o? Wt... F?

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/07 02:37:01 (permalink)
    Does anyone else have this card? Have you been able to oc it to the FTW edition? Do you guys think my chances are good getting it up to there? This will be my first time oc a card. And I have heard to go a little at a time. Not just throw those clocks in right away to ftw edition clocks. Any general no no tips that come to mind while oc as I go? I will certainly be using the evga precision and oc scanner exclusively. Is it okay to be running both at the same time? 

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/07 09:58:43 (permalink)
    should be able to run them at the same time just dont use afterburner and precision from what ive heard
    So yeah honstly just increase the clock a bit, test for 10 mins, then up the clock, test, until the graphics card restarts from crashing then you'll know the highest clock you can run stably (until you want to up the Voltage a little, which will mean switching to Afterburner)
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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/07 10:26:58 (permalink)
    For stability testing i have never used OC Scanner of any Furmark based app, i prefer to run benchmarks like 3DMark11, Vantage and Heaven 2.1, if it passes thoes 3 with no driver crashes or artifacts i then test in a few heavy games.


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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/07 10:51:40 (permalink)
    but 3dMark11 isnt free
    I used furmark before gettin 3dMark11 although since he got a 500 series card he should have 3dMark11

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/08 19:00:21 (permalink)
    Got my card today and installed. Everything seems to be running great and good grief. Such a huge improvement over my 9800GT. I can play BC2 maxed with no problems. I have a slight concern about temps. While playing BC2. I seen it hit 83c as the highest temp! That seems pretty toasty? I have not even overclocked. Just hitting that temp. makes me not want to?

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/08 19:16:23 (permalink)
    Use either precision or afterburner and set a custom fan profile. I went fairly aggressive with my profile starting at around 40% fan at idle speed and increasing fan speed as it approaches 60c.

     

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/09 15:51:40 (permalink)
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    Got my card today and installed. Everything seems to be running great and good grief. Such a huge improvement over my 9800GT. I can play BC2 maxed with no problems. I have a slight concern about temps. While playing BC2. I seen it hit 83c as the highest temp! That seems pretty toasty? I have not even overclocked. Just hitting that temp. makes me not want to?

     
    For what it's worth I just today overclocked my 560ti DS Superclocked to FTW speeds. Seems very stable and I only get to about 72c with 85% fan speed. I'll be doing more benchmarks but I ran the Heaven 2.5 about 5-6 times to make sure it was stable enough to test out further.

     

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/09 16:11:26 (permalink)
    I was starting to do some overclocking. I ran into a couple artifacts popping up right away using heaven benchmark maxed out. The core was only at 870MHz. I also raised the shader clock and memory clock matching up increase wise with the core. So it looks like I am the unlucky ones and this SC is locked down to where its at from the factory. I was really hoping to get the clocks to SSC or FTW edition speeds. Oh well. I still like the card very much. A bit off topic. Can a psu cause artifacts if it is not giving out enough juice? 

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/09 16:34:08 (permalink)
    A bad or lower end power supply can give some unusual results and problems. One of the few core pieces where you don't want to skimp on. I'm moving from this Ultra LSP750w to a Corsair HX/AX850w just to even things out. I'm also learning the hard way because I also skimped on my motherboard which is preventing stable overclocks on my CPU.

     

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/09 17:15:46 (permalink)
    My psu is good quality. It is a Antec EarthWatts 430w psu made by SeaSonic. Which was before they switched to Delta now. I thought maybe it could be the age? Its about a year and a half old. The warranty is still valid which came for 3 years. The more I think. The more I think it could just be the card. Only a 20MHz increase across the board would most likely not put that much more stress on the psu to cause artifacts. Like I said. I think I just got extremely unlucky and one of the few that cannot overclock it further. But, hey I am no expert at this.  

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/09 19:48:19 (permalink)
    Oh I'm certainly by no means an expert. Perhaps you just got one of them that doesn't like to overclock at all.
     
    I looked up your power supply and it seems that yours uses multiple 12 volt rails with 17A for each one. I'm figuring that you are using one pci-e 6 pin connector on each rail?
     
    Since the 560 SC requires a 12 volt rail with at least 24A for the power I'm figuring you might want to check and see. I don't use power supplies with multiple rails for the cards, a bit confusing as I haven't researched it as of yet, since mine has a single 12V rail with 45 amps. I remember something about balancing for cards using multiple rails. Perhaps that is your problem and the card doesn't like it because it's not getting fed enough power when you are trying to even slightly overclock.

     

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/09 20:03:10 (permalink)
    I have 30amps total with my current psu. 360 divided by 12 (voltage)=30amps. Or maybe I am wrong? Nonetheless. Mine only has 1 6 pin pci-e power cable. So I had to use 1 of the adapters that came with the video card. So its either the card not wanting to oc or psu? Hmm. Flip a coin! My system is certainly not beastly. I would think the psu is more then enough. That would suck to waste money buying a new psu and it still does it. The rest of my specs.
     
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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/09 20:16:38 (permalink)
    I think your calculations are correct. Probably is just the card itself considering you're running a similar system as I am and not really overclocking things much at all really.

     

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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/09 21:21:36 (permalink)
    anybody here has a GTX 560 (non-Ti) SLI on a 520W 80 Bronze-Certified like antec Psu? was planning to buy 2 of these soon.  thanks


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    Re:Evga GTX560 SC (non Ti) vs FTW edition? 2011/07/10 05:53:00 (permalink)
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    I was starting to do some overclocking. I ran into a couple artifacts popping up right away using heaven benchmark maxed out. The core was only at 870MHz. I also raised the shader clock and memory clock matching up increase wise with the core. So it looks like I am the unlucky ones and this SC is locked down to where its at from the factory. I was really hoping to get the clocks to SSC or FTW edition speeds. Oh well. I still like the card very much. A bit off topic. Can a psu cause artifacts if it is not giving out enough juice? 

    Forget the memory to start with and just up the core in 10MHz steps and test each time (the shader is locked to the core so will increase with it), once u start to get artifacts or driver/app crashes then u know u have gone too high for that voltage, if temps are ok then u can bump up the voltage a notch and continue, once u are happy with how far u have gone with the core and found a nice overclock/voltage setting u can start tweaking the memory a bit, same again just go in 10MHz steps and do this with ur core at it's overclock, once this starts to become unstable then back it off a notch and u have ur overclock.
    Alot depends if ur just looking for a nice stable 24/7 overclock to use for gaming or highest possible overclock for benchies as to how far u go.
    post edited by Krony - 2011/07/10 05:56:07


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