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2019/04/26 05:14:51 (permalink)
Hi, I finally got my Build of my new System Ready (will post ist later) but am running into a problem with the memory. I went with G.Skill since G.Skill and evga list them in there Memory List - QVL.
Running default all is ok, but going for their listed 3600mhz and timings (using XMP Profile in BIOS Setup) the Motherboard loops at boot up for Infinity. cycling  boot step.
 Link to RAM https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3600c17d-32gtzr
I will fetch images and a video of the boot sequence shortly.
BIOS is the new 1.07

 
EDIT: Added Link to RAM
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 05:47:32 (permalink)
 OK here the images from the BIOS:
 

 

 

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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 05:52:54 (permalink)
And here the Link to the Video of the Boot up cycle:
  
https://youtu.be/DP9aCybV_rI
 
 
Skript to the Video:
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7F
30
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4C
31
C
7F
30
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4C
31
FF (could be up there also, appear very shortly only)
7F
30
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 07:42:40 (permalink)
Did you disable fast boot in the BIOS? You may need to add more voltage to DIMM, SA, and VICCIO. Raise DIMM to 1.45. You can lower it after you up and running.
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 08:48:10 (permalink)
Thanks for the fast Respons!
 
I tried different settings and  Voltage Values - I was conservative on the VCCIO (0.980) and SA I left at automatic since I did not get a base value for that one. DIMM I tried at 1.450.
In, short nothing I do has any effect except lowering the Mhz. It works without tweaking for 3333Mhz but the default XMP of 3600Mhz (also 3500 and something with 3477) fail as do above values (3733).
Not sure but the post code cycling shows that it stalls shortly on 4F which is post DIMM Checking ( 31 Memory Installed and after that its CPU Memory stuff up to 36, North South Mem till 3E and then OEM post memory initialization 3F - 4E.




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 09:19:43 (permalink)
Yeah, those codes recycling and recycling...like a motor turning over and over while you are hoping it catches.  Try raising SA to 1.3 and set VICCIO to 1.2-.25. You can always lower them afterward. 
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 09:51:10 (permalink)
I will try some more, none the less should QVL Mem not work out of the box with XMP? 
I had a similar issue which was resolved with a bios update - but that was another time and other mobo/memory .




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 10:00:02 (permalink)
Yes it should...using just the XMP Auto values should work. It sets the values given by G.Skill, including VSA, DIMM, etc
 
G.Skill has excellent CS. Contact them and they should help no problem. Good luck
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 12:49:42 (permalink)
Thats good to hear - I am using them for years know and have a little G Skill Museum at Home :-)




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 13:16:35 (permalink)
Please keep us posted on what resolves the issue, I plan to pick up the same motherboard and ram here soon.
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/26 18:32:53 (permalink)
I had a similar issue. Turned out to be my EVGA 2080ti FTW3 of all things. RMA'D it and all is good.

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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/27 01:06:22 (permalink)
I will keep this thread updated as soon as I find out something!
 
Thanks for your interest on the subject and the Tipps, they are appreciated!
 
But, not mend to be disrespectful,  I do not believe it’s the GPU or need to over volt at this point - the GPU has worked for month in my old system - (the  parts for the new one came one by one - and last the case to but it all in ) and it’s not a typical cause when raising the RAM Modules speed that the GPU kicks it out, unless I would be using too much power in total due to Over Volting. Since its a brand-new Titanium 750W PSU, I do not think that power is the issue (but you never know).
 
From taking into account the trouble I had in over 2 decades of building PC's I would guess it’s either a problem with the RAM Modules (bad Chip) or an issue in constellation with the Mobo, BIOS and the Modules setting up something wrong - On my previous build I had a similar issue - unstable with XMP Profile and it got solved with a bios update.
I am very careful with over volting - never went down that road and it should not be necessary for "default" XMP usage - I like to keep my systems alive for a long time ;-).
 
If someone from the EVGA Tech People could peak into the issue, that might be more enlightening, since I would guess its technical details that are playing a game here or the modules gone bad. I also wrote the tech people at G.Skill a mail, maybe they will hint something. I wonder also where it would typically stop in BIOS POST Codes, going down further than the memory initialization seems like tis rather a mobo Problem and going with the 3600Mhz and syncing all that stuff - but that is pure speculation - my knowledge depletes a bit before that level of detail.
 
Anybody out there running a Z390 FTW with the Trident Z RGB 2x 16GB 3600C17D? That might help (at least for reassuring that it works in general).
 
Kind Regards!
 




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/27 15:33:43 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/27 23:47:58 (permalink)
Sick in terms of containing faulty elements in hard ware or configuration or sick in terms of combination?
And in either case what would you point out?
Just for the interested, I just benchmarked it https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/16535535 via @UserBenchmark




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/28 01:02:58 (permalink)
Hi DarkTrooper,
 
He is complementing your rig.  sick==good
 
As wwxww pointed out, your VCCIO is probably too low and should be closer to 1.25v.  Have you tried it on auto?  Also you are using 16Gb dimms which I've read, can be harder on the IMC than the more commonly used 8Gb dimms.
 
I'm running a Z390 Dark, i9-9900k, and F4-4400C18D-16GTRS TZ Royals.  They are rated at 1.40v but they need 1.45v for stability.  I run them at 1.49v at CL17 and tight sub-timings normally.  My VSA and VCCIO are on auto at 1.41v at 4400mhz, VSA goes up to 1.465 at 4600mhz, and VSA 1.52v at 4800mhz.  I leave them at 4400mhz for normal usage though.
 
To check for you, I dropped my ram down to 3600mhz and auto for both VSA and VCCIO and they landed at 1.26v.  I guess the moral to the story is that if you want fast ram don't fears the voltage. haha
 

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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/28 05:34:15 (permalink)
Hi TriOx,
 
thanks for that Info on Voltage and the Rig ;-) ! I have tried every thing using auto and the "XMP 1 Profile" first based on what the Modules provide - seems then thats bad?.
The values are lower on auto then the ones you list - I guess then the Profile is not quite where it should be. 
I will check with the values you posted tomorrow - thx for that!
 
Kind regards!
(had an eye surgery and its a bit hard seeing stuff at the moment).




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/28 09:53:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DarkTrooper 2019/05/09 08:35:41
I've bought four G.Skill 16Gb (2x8) dual channel kits in the last 6 months.  3600CL15 x2, 4400CL19, and 4400CL18.  Of the four, I had to RMA two, so yes it is possible to have a bad module.  The 4400CL19 kit had one stick that just wouldn't allow the Z390 to boot, period.  Luckily, when I tried the kit in my X299 Dark, the X299 was smart enough to just disable the bad DIMM module slot and continue booting which gave me solid confirmation of a bad stick.
 
I had a look at your motherboard manual.  Are you using DIMM2 and DIMM4 slots for the modules?
 
Have you tried just a single module in DIMM2 slot?  Try both modules, individually, in the DIMM2 slot and set your VSA and VCCIO to 1.3v and DIMM voltage to 1.45v.  Hopefully that will kick it hard enough to get a boot at 3600mhz.  If one stick boots and one doesn't then you have your answer.
 
I've had eye surgery myself in the past.  Good luck with the recovery and watch out for that depth perception when changing those DIMMs!

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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/28 14:51:58 (permalink)
I also have G Skill 3600mhz memory for my Z390ftw so I'll be keeping an eye on this once my last couple of parts arrive tomorrow hopefully and I begin the build 
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/04/30 06:43:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DarkTrooper 2019/05/09 08:35:53
Yes, I'm in the same boat as you. Letting the memory stay at default 2133mhz works but will not boot with XMP1 enabled at the memorys listed speeds. What now? 
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/03 07:42:39 (permalink)
Hi, sorry due to the Laser Eye Thingy I am a bit behind.
Thank you very much @TriOx!
I did some testing today. Running either Modul at the suggested SA and VCCIO to 1.3v and DIMM voltage to 1.45v values brought no change. I had them in 2 und 4 as the Manual
suggested. I also got a response from G.Skill asking my to test at CPU default values and one DIMM at a time and if that does nothing to RMA them.
 
Well, nothing changes no matter what I try, I tried running them at other values with out success. So I did something different, I ran them at the 3333mHz (that seems the top notch and set the default timings @2600(15,16 23) instead of the XMP suggested (17,19,39). And that works… strange enough - even with out the extra V Boosts - the auto pulls it to 1.31v for the DIMM's
 
So @codo180 at least that is a work around that brings some performance, for me its about like 5% more Performance with the short timings @3333 - I dont have values for 2600. Have you tried getting your Kit to 3333?
 
Default

Short
I am not sure if I should go for RMA or not (in case you want to: http://gskill.com/en/rma )
Also if you got the same then they either screwed up the setting for that Kit or they MoBo is getting some stuff mixed up... 
 

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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/04 23:30:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DarkTrooper 2019/05/09 08:36:16
I am having similar issues with my ram. You have given me a few things to try. Thanks for posting.

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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/05 10:06:19 (permalink)
Sometimes a CPU's IMC doesn't like high SA/IO voltages. I've seen and tested a few chips where they were picky. 
 
4C Post Code is training. 7F is SA. 
 
Since it's only 3600 Speed, you don't need a high SA/IO. Try using 1.175 IO 1.200 SA. Or 25mV higher steps. 1.20v IO, 1.225v SA.
 
VDIMM....those appear to be B-die? Maybe. Or sneaky CJR which I don't have hands on experience with. Try using up to 1.450v VDIMM. That won't hurt anything. Leave XMP as is. 
 
Actually....the tRRD_S/tRRD_L seems optimistic. Try setting those to Auto. 
 
 
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/05 10:55:16 (permalink)
Thanks, richiec77, I will try.
The values you see above are mainly the ones from Auto (it shows the values the XMP suggested or the values auto used - except in my "squeeze them 3333mhz" I did not touch anything except the SA and VCCIO and VDIMM voltage. I will try does values you suggested in case the chips picky. - The CPU, at least for GHz is doing quite well, it went out of the box to 5,2Ghz and runs stable, only clocks itself down since all 8 Cores on 5,2 GHz really generates heat so that the Noctua NH 15 can’t carry all of that away und it runs into the 90°C range and seem to do Thermal throttling then - never happens in game benchmarks, only in generic CPU benchmarks - in real life is keeps itself around the mid 60 peaks to 75 and sometimes in the upper 50's - so quite usable (wonder if an AIO could do better…).
I did try the default CPU settings (no OC) to check the RAM but it did nothing.
 
If there are more then me out there with the same problem, i am really starting to think that this is some other kind of issue, either messed up RAM Modules or timing stuff in the Mobo…. some EVGA insides?
 
kind regards!
 




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/05 11:30:11 (permalink)
Could be a faulty Memory Module. I've had that happen before. 
 
To test for that: you would try running it with just 1 stick at a time and see if it's stable. If it's stable with 1 DIMM but not the other, than it's a faulty stick of ram.
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/05 23:44:06 (permalink)
@richiec77, I already checked with one Module and swapped the modules position - either both modules are bad or its another reason, using  a single module and swapping the location did nothing - all fine up to 3333mhz after that they just dont run.




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/06 20:56:07 (permalink)
At this point you should start a trouble ticket with GSkill tech support. I've already done that with Corsair tech support.
Just hope it doesn't end up being one of those situations where the vendors blame each other.

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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/07 02:35:20 (permalink)
Yeah, that is what I am Thinking about - not sure if its worth the hassel - I guess they want the modules returned first, inspect it and then do what they do - but it will  be at least weeks with out my memory and I dont want to park the Computer again … now that it is finally running… (waited so long for all the components to arrive @ home). I ll try to find a benachmark to see how much performance it actually brings and check what G.Skill does - I guess they wont deliver replacement first...




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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/07 11:53:36 (permalink)
So TriOx, the dark is a bit insane with the 1.4v on sa and io. I would turn that down a bit as I have seen IMC degradation with daily voltages on VCCSA/IO at 1.375v+
 
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Did you try everything auto no xmp @ desired DDR4 clock. Let the Dark take a stab at timings and then use something like the asrock timing utility in windows to note all timings.

Go back into the bios and statically assign the auto timings and then slowly walk them down starting with primary?
 
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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/07 11:58:35 (permalink)
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Sometimes a CPU's IMC doesn't like high SA/IO voltages. I've seen and tested a few chips where they were picky. 
 
4C Post Code is training. 7F is SA. 
 
Since it's only 3600 Speed, you don't need a high SA/IO. Try using 1.175 IO 1.200 SA. Or 25mV higher steps. 1.20v IO, 1.225v SA.
 
VDIMM....those appear to be B-die? Maybe. Or sneaky CJR which I don't have hands on experience with. Try using up to 1.450v VDIMM. That won't hurt anything. Leave XMP as is. 
 
Actually....the tRRD_S/tRRD_L seems optimistic. Try setting those to Auto. 
 
 


Thanks for this nfo. I was wondering if 7F was not related to training and always get really confused when looking up debug codes in the manuals.

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Re: EVGA Z 390 FTW and G.Skill Tridentz Z F4 3600 Mhz C17D - 32GB GTZR (CL17 19 19 39 @1.3 2019/05/07 19:05:34 (permalink)
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So TriOx, the dark is a bit insane with the 1.4v on sa and io. I would turn that down a bit as I have seen IMC degradation with daily voltages on VCCSA/IO at 1.375v+


Thanks for the heads-up Zeddivile!  I thought 1.4v was on the edge of ok for normal use.  I'll crank it down a bit more since the novelty of 4600mhz ram has started wearing off a bit.

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