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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/12 12:54:23 (permalink)
Ok Guys,
It seems like the mod is rapidly becoming the only option. I have seen some people being concerned about the MOLEX MOD for a number of reasons.
 
1) It is still only redirecting the current through 1 additional wire from the PSU.
2) It is UGLY
3) Messes Cable Management up somewhat.
 
I have thus been looking for a replacement mod to do and i seem to have found something that will both work and will be neat and tidy. It also provides the use of 8 wires back to the PSU ;).
 
If we run 2 wires from the 24pin 12v pads over the BACK of the board to the EPS 12v Connections we not only benefit from the neat and tidyness but also since all the EPS 12v pads are connected via trace, we get the addition of a shared 8 wires back to the PSU. Now currently there is no continuity between the cpu power pads and the 24pin 12v pads but i cannot see why joining them would be an issue since they get joined through the PSU anyways.. The EPS 12v connectors provide 8! 12v wires from the PSU and i hardly think that the CPU needs them all for itself so i cannot see why stealing some power from the connectors for our 24 pin will cause any issue. ;)
 
Here is an image of what i have in mind. Hopefully Jacob can come by and confirm that there would be no issue in doing it... 
  
 
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/12 12:56:10 (permalink)
 So what besides mb do all these instances have in common?
PSU?
Simply more than 1 graphics card from a series point and up?
Type of case?
Type of cooling?
Type of HDD/SSD?
A setting of voltage that is extreme? (ie vtt)
A high number of peripherals?
PCIEx1 occupied?
Types of fans?
Fan controllers?
 


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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/12 13:02:19 (permalink)
Here is a simple explanation of what I suspect is happening: Voltage flows throuch a point ( whither that point is a wire, plug, or connection ) in the same manner, or way,  that water flows through a pipe. only so much fluid ( or Voltage ) is rated to go through a certin point at a given time, the only way to increse flow, is to increse the size of the pipe, or increse the presure , in electronics that presure is measured in curnt or amps. the result of E ( voltage ) times I Curent in amps results in Power watts, the resistance to that curent flow is odley called resistance, this can be represented as E=I/R, and I*E=P. The mod referanced efectavley increses the size of the pipe, allowing more curent to flow, while creating less heat. The card is designed to get power through 3 points, 2 plugs on the card, and the slots. If any of these points has a momentary open, the load would be shifted to the other points, if any of these points corode, or build up a film, like you get , when you mix copper and allumium, or any two metals, you create resistance which affects the flow. as E( voltage) /R ( resistance )  = I curent.
( search Ohms law for additional information )
If any water, or Condensation builds up on the conection you would also get corosion, or, if you simpley asked for more flow than could get provided, you would generate heat, The more heat you generate, the more you risk plastic melting, the more plastic that melts, and gets on the pin, the more resistance you creat, and thus the more heat it will creat, thus exersbating the situation.  I suspect the power draw on the higher cards , are right at, the limit, and any flow problem, asserbates the issue, I suspect the limit is right at 300 watts, and any OC could put you over the limit as well. Since I do not know the cards actual draw, Only what nvidia lists as specs, I do not know how close to the actual limit they are. Which ios why I am looking forward to a statment from Jacob, or antec, or any engineer, that can tell me what I should run. I have a 760 with 2(295's ) a 758 with 3( 260's ) and a 759, that I'm waiting on the findings of this thread, and the imformation put out, before I buy cards for it. for now I just borrowed a 260 from the 758.
 
I have ordered molex plugs , If I am told that, that is the way to go, or I will limit my graphic card choice, if I am told that is the way to go. since I fold 24/7, I need a solution I can run unatended, and have no fear, if my wife or daughter is in the house, just not in the office.
 
If EVGA thinks I should stop Folding untill the investagation is compleated, I am willing to do that too.  
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/12 13:08:16 (permalink)
Yes that is what is happening although the wall of text was hard to decipher.. Essentially the cards are pulling more wattage than the pins can handle, they are heating up, melting the plastic. Easy enough to understand. I would suggest my mod on the previous page as it seems more logical than adding molexes..
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Re: EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:16:13 (permalink)
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 So what besides mb do all these instances have in common?
PSU?
Simply more than 1 graphics card from a series point and up?
Type of case?
Type of cooling?
Type of HDD/SSD?
A setting of voltage that is extreme? (ie vtt)
A high number of peripherals?
PCIEx1 occupied?
Types of fans?
Fan controllers?

 
Well, I can say this...
  • Reported motherboards E759/E760 (EVGA side only, not getting into others)
  • So far only those running PSU >= 1KW have reported this
  • So far only those overclocking (CPU and/or the GPU) and those running at stock have reported this
  • More than one graphics card >= ATI4890 and NVIDIA GTX400 series but only in performance/enthusiast segment (i.e., HD5800+ series, GTX470/480)
  • Case and cooling are irrelevant and vary from air to all water (as is the case with me) or better; likewise on the HDD/SSDs
  • I can say that I run moderate overclocks (approx 3.8GHz to 4.2GHz for 24/7 daily use) but others that had this happen ran higher or lower so likely not very relevant
  • I have a fair number of peripherals, but they are powered externally (eSATA drives, G19, etc.); again, too much variation to be factored in reasonably
  • 4/5 PCI-E slots are occupied (1 X1 slot at X1 , 1st and 2nd X16 slots at X16, 3rd X16 slot at X1)
  • Not relevant; running directly off of the PSU and varies greatly system to system for sure
Like I said in one of my earlier posts, I do not believe that there is some crazy out of this world stuff going on here.  The problem is quite likely a combination of understated power requirements on part of GPUs with outdated ATX power specifications and motherboards and PSUs designed to those outdated standards.  The GPUs simply demand too much power, power gets pulled from the only place where it can get pulled from but as a consequence exceeds the capacity of the wires carrying the current causing the wires to fail, melt, and worst case burn up and take other stuff with it.  Nobody could have predicted this happening two years ago when the Classified boards were designed.  GPUs were supposed to be getting more efficient and more powerful not just more powerful.  AMD/NVIDIA would never fess up and give real power requirements out nor indicate to users how dangerously close their parts run to the maximum safe thresholds.
 
Other alternative to this is that some boards have a manufacturing defect where they are not capable of carrying the current providing too much resistance and causing overheating at the connectors (this is much less likely however).
post edited by dejanh - 2010/10/12 15:07:19
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/12 13:19:27 (permalink)
so it's not safe to buy recertified evga 759 mobo too?
I want tri-fire 5870.

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/12 13:20:22 (permalink)
Meh, I'd get a different board.


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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/12 13:26:19 (permalink)
indeed..
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Re: EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:26:46 (permalink)
krazyatom

so it's not safe to buy recertified evga 759 mobo too?
I want tri-fire 5870.


At this point it is a bit of a gamble until the resolution is found.  There is no denying that.
post edited by dejanh - 2010/10/12 13:30:03
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/12 13:31:10 (permalink)
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Ok Guys,
It seems like the mod is rapidly becoming the only option. I have seen some people being concerned about the MOLEX MOD for a number of reasons.

1) It is still only redirecting the current through 1 additional wire from the PSU.
2) It is UGLY
3) Messes Cable Management up somewhat.

I have thus been looking for a replacement mod to do and i seem to have found something that will both work and will be neat and tidy. It also provides the use of 8 wires back to the PSU ;).

If we run 2 wires from the 24pin 12v pads over the BACK of the board to the EPS 12v Connections we not only benefit from the neat and tidyness but also since all the EPS 12v pads are connected via trace, we get the addition of a shared 8 wires back to the PSU. Now currently there is no continuity between the cpu power pads and the 24pin 12v pads but i cannot see why joining them would be an issue since they get joined through the PSU anyways.. The EPS 12v connectors provide 8! 12v wires from the PSU and i hardly think that the CPU needs them all for itself so i cannot see why stealing some power from the connectors for our 24 pin will cause any issue. ;)

Here is an image of what i have in mind. Hopefully Jacob can come by and confirm that there would be no issue in doing it... 
 
 


Now we are getting somewhere IMO.  I'm not saying I will attempt to do this, but at least it's another option of put on the table for a fix.  I like this and this is the kind of "out of the box" thinking that needs to be investigated by EVGA.  Give this guy a BR for the effort at very minimum!
 
However, that being said, I want EVGA to fix my board whenever the "fix" is determined.  I don't want to solder anything on my $1000+ worth of boards I own.  I don't care if it's "rare" or not.  I want it fixed and investigated to fullest.  I trust that it will be done, but in the mean time I want definitive answers about what components to use or not use to minimize the possibility of my components being fried or, God Forbid, a fire.  If it's rare as Jacob stated then it should be somewhat easy to list what components to use and what components to not use, what voltage to stay away from, etc.  That's the right thing to do for your customers EVGA.  
 
For now, I will not OC anything on any of my rigs or leave my computers unattended.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:34:57 (permalink)
If you bring your system down to stock completely and you are not overclocking anything and not running torture benchmarks such as LinX and FurMark at the same time I am 99.999% certain that you will not have any issues that are being discussed in this thread, regardless of whether you are running 1 or 4 HD5800 series cards or GTX400 series cards.
 
donta1979 was doing computing intensive work on his machine when this happened, so was I leading up to the failure.  The system was not just idling there and then failed.
 
Edit (for clarity): donta1979 was not overclocking based on his statement.  I was overclocking.  Does not change the common denominator of running computing intensive work.  Playing games is not computing intensive.
post edited by dejanh - 2010/10/12 13:57:17
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:47:55 (permalink)
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If you bring your system down to stock completely and you are not overclocking anything and not running torture benchmarks such as LinX and FurMark at the same time I am 99.999% certain that you will not have any issues that are being discussed in this thread, regardless of whether you are running 1 or 4 HD5800 series cards or GTX400 series cards.

donta1979 was doing computing intensive work on his machine when this happened, so was I leading up to the failure.  The system was not just idling there and then failed.


Really?  Please man.  Stay focused here.  I'm not a complete dumb@ss.  Why do you think I mentioned it? That's how I will protect myself and my components until EVGA puts out a fix/official determination.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:52:25 (permalink)
My system burned out at 100% stock btw, overclocked it all once for vantage and that was it=/ had been running stock for awhile.
And btw post below safe guards dont help tell that to my mobo/3x psu/hard drives/dvd slim drive and possibly my killer 2100 card. Antec's tech have told some of us that if the psu does go down the deep end  from this and it could eventually killed components, or even a fire could be the end result.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:52:54 (permalink)
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dejanh

If you bring your system down to stock completely and you are not overclocking anything and not running torture benchmarks such as LinX and FurMark at the same time I am 99.999% certain that you will not have any issues that are being discussed in this thread, regardless of whether you are running 1 or 4 HD5800 series cards or GTX400 series cards.

donta1979 was doing computing intensive work on his machine when this happened, so was I leading up to the failure.  The system was not just idling there and then failed.


Really?  Please man.  Stay focused here.  I'm not a complete dumb@ss.  Why do you think I mentioned it? That's how I will protect myself and my components until EVGA puts out a fix/official determination.


Why is everyone so hot-headed about this...man...   I think there should be a mandatory use of emoticons in this thread.  I was trying to help not lecture.  There are a lot of people here that are needlessly worried and they all need to relax.  Their house is not going to blow up.  The failure is not sudden in that sense and in no case so far has it actually caused a fire.  While risk of more serious problems is there, it just so happens to be that the rest of the equipment we use, and in particular the power supplies use a lot of safeguards against this type of thing.  Just think how many people run their systems on dirty power for instance.
 
So yes, in conclusion, I was trying to help not lecture or scold, for everyone's benefit
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:53:38 (permalink)
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My system burned out at 100% stock btw, overclocked it all once for vantage and that was it=/ had been running stock for awhile.


Doh!  Okay, now that is not what I wanted to hear. 
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:56:06 (permalink)
I posted this above and I'll say it again.  Stock or not this does not change the common denominator of running computing intensive work.  Playing games is not computing intensive.  That is exactly the reason why I specifically pointed this out in my earlier post.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 13:59:33 (permalink)
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dejanh

If you bring your system down to stock completely and you are not overclocking anything and not running torture benchmarks such as LinX and FurMark at the same time I am 99.999% certain that you will not have any issues that are being discussed in this thread, regardless of whether you are running 1 or 4 HD5800 series cards or GTX400 series cards.

donta1979 was doing computing intensive work on his machine when this happened, so was I leading up to the failure.  The system was not just idling there and then failed.


Really?  Please man.  Stay focused here.  I'm not a complete dumb@ss.  Why do you think I mentioned it? That's how I will protect myself and my components until EVGA puts out a fix/official determination.


Why is everyone so hot-headed about this...man...   I think there should be a mandatory use of emoticons in this thread.  I was trying to help not lecture.  There are a lot of people here that are needlessly worried and they all need to relax.  Their house is not going to blow up.  The failure is not sudden in that sense and in no case so far has it actually caused a fire.  While risk of more serious problems is there, it just so happens to be that the rest of the equipment we use, and in particular the power supplies use a lot of safeguards against this type of thing.  Just think how many people run their systems on dirty power for instance.

So yes, in conclusion, I was trying to help not lecture or scold, for everyone's benefit

 
Sorry, the way it was written, and the way things have headed in this thread, I assumed it was a missile coming my way. 
 
 
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 14:07:55 (permalink)
No worries man.  I understand that emotions are running pretty high here.  You can just imagine how I felt when this happened to me a week or so ago now in the middle of critical work deadlines
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 14:37:56 (permalink)
Both of mine burned out @stock speeds as well. Two Different boards and PSU....
 
So making the statement it only happens when u O/C the CPU and/or GPUs is false.


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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 15:02:52 (permalink)
LOL, this thead is getting hilarious. I love coming home to catch up on this thread and see an armchair 'expert' argue with the real experts and insist they are wrong, no matter what. Awesome.
 
p.s. that wasn't aimed at you Woojyee - you just happened to be the last commenter.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 15:06:18 (permalink)
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Both of mine burned out @stock speeds as well. Two Different boards and PSU....

So making the statement it only happens when u O/C the CPU and/or GPUs is false.

 
I am not certain who made that blanket statement.  As with anything you are less likely to have a failure at stock vs. overclocked, however, intense load at stock has caused burnouts as well, as noted before.
 
I am still standing by my statement however that you are very unlikely to experience this at stock with normal load.
 
I am also not very inclined to believe that everyone that comes in saying they were running stock and things failed are really giving up the full truth.  It is just so unlikely that is the case in this type of community where day in and day out all we discuss are extreme systems setups, overclocking, modding, and pushing hardware to the limits.  It is very typical to have a lot of people come back with "****, I was running stock when everything went up in smoke" as soon as a problem comes up.  Let me make it *absolutely clear* that I am not pointing at you specifically, or anyone in this thread, I am just making a general statement based on my past experience.  The more open and upfront people are with information the faster we will have a resolution 
 
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LOL, this thead is getting hilarious. I love watching an armchair 'expert' argue with the real experts and insist they are wrong, no matter what. Awesome.

p.s. that wasn't aimed at you Woojee.

 
Please do not flame things up again.  Everyone calmed down already.  We are here to find a solution, not to battle it out who is smarter than who.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 15:07:30 (permalink)
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 15:29:09 (permalink)
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woojyee

Both of mine burned out @stock speeds as well. Two Different boards and PSU....

So making the statement it only happens when u O/C the CPU and/or GPUs is false.


I am not certain who made that blanket statement.  As with anything you are less likely to have a failure at stock vs. overclocked, however, intense load at stock has caused burnouts as well, as noted before.

I am still standing by my statement however that you are very unlikely to experience this at stock with normal load.

I am also not very inclined to believe that everyone that comes in saying they were running stock and things failed are really giving up the full truth.  It is just so unlikely that is the case in this type of community where day in and day out all we discuss are extreme systems setups, overclocking, modding, and pushing hardware to the limits.  It is very typical to have a lot of people come back with "****, I was running stock when everything went up in smoke" as soon as a problem comes up.  Let me make it *absolutely clear* that I am not pointing at you specifically, or anyone in this thread, I am just making a general statement based on my past experience.  The more open and upfront people are with information the faster we will have a resolution 

 
One more reason, IMO, why we need an official statement from the company (or companies) involved in this issue.  However, since my MBs and graphics cards are all EVGA, and this is the EVGA forum, then I expect the information to come from EVGA.
 
Now I don't know what to believe.  Not only can I not trust to run my components at stock clocks, I now have to configure each system with only one graphics card to aid in prevention of ruining thousands of dollars worth of equipment.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 15:58:23 (permalink)
Well all I know so far is that if this happens to me and takes out some of my hardware I won't be buying EVGA anything in the future.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 16:13:58 (permalink)
just wating on what EVGA fines out about the prob. and what to fix it or get a new board or a upgrade like the 680i to 780i thing that would be nice.
Trade in my E760 to a E770 and evga gives me so much on the E760 trade in, I would go for that.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 16:21:26 (permalink)
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just wating on what EVGA fines out about the prob. and what to fix it or get a new board or a upgrade like the 680i to 780i thing that would be nice.
Trade in my E760 to a E770 and evga gives me so much on the E760 trade in, I would go for that.


I realize that may be fair for you guys with the E760 but for us with the E759, we paid some serious money for this board and the E760/E770 really is not in the same category.  I actually want a solution that does not require replacing the board even though I already have an E770 as replacement incoming tomorrow direct from EVGA.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 16:26:47 (permalink)
Falcon:
 
I find it hilarious that you're supporting/defending ASUS, a company that sold 'workstation' level boards with sub-standard VRMS which cause them to die over extended use.
 
Over on xtremesystems there's a running tally of dead Asus Z7S WS mobos - 23 of them so far! That's FIFTEEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS worth of motherboards.
 
Yet ASUS haven't admitted it, and haven't done anything about it, and this has been going on for quite a while.
 
Atleast EVGA are actually investigating this issue and are asking for feedback. Or would you prefer they 'do an ASUS' and ignore the fact that they may have made a mistake?
 
I also find it amusing that you're arguing with the EVGA techs - despite what you think you may know, I'm pretty sure they'd know far more than you.
 
BTW, I run 2 x 480 + a 9800GT and have had NO issues. I run them all OCed too. I also have an OCed CPU. Oh, and I use a Corsair PSU - HX1000 :) This is on an E759...

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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 16:35:46 (permalink)
SiriusDragon

Falcon:

I find it hilarious that you're supporting/defending ASUS, a company that sold 'workstation' level boards with sub-standard VRMS which cause them to die over extended use.

Over on xtremesystems there's a running tally of dead Asus Z7S WS mobos - 23 of them so far! That's FIFTEEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS worth of motherboards.

Yet ASUS haven't admitted it, and haven't done anything about it, and this has been going on for quite a while.

Atleast EVGA are actually investigating this issue and are asking for feedback. Or would you prefer they 'do an ASUS' and ignore the fact that they may have made a mistake?

I also find it amusing that you're arguing with the EVGA techs - despite what you think you may know, I'm pretty sure they'd know far more than you.

BTW, I run 2 x 480 + a 9800GT and have had NO issues. I run them all OCed too. I also have an OCed CPU. Oh, and I use a Corsair PSU - HX1000 :) This is on an E759...


Pointing fingers is completely unproductive.  Please do not do it (once again).  If you do not have anything else to say it is better to not say anything at all.  I'm not defending him or you, I only want the thread to stay on topic
 
The last line of your post would have sufficed albeit it does not really contribute anything.  We already know this does not happen on every single system, or at least not yet.
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 16:55:38 (permalink)
Nereus

pot, kettle, black.

On another note, did anyone notice that the 760's are available again on the EVGA motherboards page, after an extended absence. Time for a fire sale? LOL j/k   

Would be awesome if they had a molex added.



Lol, monkeys finished adding Molex connectors to the boards so they are back on sale
 
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Re:EVGA X58 759/760 Classified 24 pin mobo/psu burning up Defect With High Power GPU's 2010/10/12 16:57:06 (permalink)
Hah, your response was so predictable Falcon :)
post edited by SiriusDragon - 2010/10/12 17:04:25

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