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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 12:47:22 (permalink)
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donta1979, can you confirm something for me please for Classified 3 board...

1. Does it have a single eSATA port? Confirmed.  There is no eSATA port on this board
2. When two graphics cards are installed in slots 1 and 2 (top most X16 slots), do they operate in full X16 mode?
3. If all four X16 slots are populated (1 and 2 with graphics cards) and 3 and 4 with X1 PCI-E cards do the slots 1 and 2 still operate at full X16?

I'm getting worried now that the Classified 3 will not work as a replacement for me going from E759



Classified 3 is a downgrade from the E759 Classy. The only good things about the Classy 3 are the USB 3.0 and the SATA II, minus the NF200 chip (16x/16x/16x PCI slots) nothing else
It will be better off that you do the MOD if you plan to keep it.
Can u dig it?


Yep, I can dig that *as long as I get a written record guarantee from EVGA that they will accept the board back in case I need to RMA it despite the mod being done*


First I agree, I will do the mod and can do basic soldering if they will take it back as long as i do not totally mess up the board. Second, are we sure the mod itself is a safe AND effective solution?

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 12:49:54 (permalink)

@ Dejanh,
Let my assistant handle that for ya.....
It never hurts to send a PM u know.

Those who abuse power, are nothing but scumbags! The challenge of power is how to use it and not abuse it. The abuse of power that seems to create the most unhappiness is when a person uses personal power to get ahead without regards to the welfare of others, people are obsessed with it. You can take a nice person and turn them into a slob, into an insane being, craving power, destroying anything that stands in their way.
 
 
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 12:49:56 (permalink)
well we are splitting the current over twice the ammount of cabling so I would definately assume it is effective. As for safety, there is nothing wrong apart from if you were to solder the wrong connections. They will take it back as long as returned to "as new".
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 12:52:49 (permalink)
Well, technically it should be both safe and effective.  You just have to make absolutely sure that you solder to the correct pins on the back side of the ATX connector and that you do not bridge any pins or cross-wire anything.
 
The effective part comes from the fact that you are now distributing the power supply to come from an additional +12V lane (three +12V lanes, instead of standard two provided by the ATX connector).
 
The only variable that remains is can the board traces properly handle the added current.  Peter said way back that they have been beefed up to handle it so the only thing to do here is to take a leap of faith and trust his statement.
 
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@ Dejanh,
Let my assistant handle that for ya.....
It never hurts to send a PM u know.

 
I emailed Jacob to get some info from him.  I will ask him this as well.  That's a hot assistant
 
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well we are splitting the current over twice the ammount of cabling so I would definately assume it is effective. As for safety, there is nothing wrong apart from if you were to solder the wrong connections. They will take it back as long as returned to "as new".
James

 
No, only one more +12V lane.  Molex can supply only one additional +12V lane.  Modding with a PCI-E connector I think could supply two additional +12V lanes.
 
One should be enough however.
post edited by dejanh - 2010/10/11 12:56:24
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 12:59:19 (permalink)
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@ Dejanh,
Let my assistant handle that for ya.....
It never hurts to send a PM u know.


I emailed Jacob to get some info from him.  I will ask him this as well.  That's a hot assistant


Oh thank you, PIMPING aint easy now in days you know
I'll send a good word for ya  I am glad you did and I am pretty sure this will be allow to do.
 
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well we are splitting the current over twice the ammount of cabling so I would definately assume it is effective. As for safety, there is nothing wrong apart from if you were to solder the wrong connections. They will take it back as long as returned to "as new".
James


The pic with a brief explanation of the MOD is located on the first post of this thread. Soldering seems simple. All you need to do is get the solder gun, even a small one should do, to solder the cables to the board. If i remember correctly, you get the metal stick, place it on the cable and board and let the gun melt the stick till you have a good portion of metal melted on the place you want to solder. Let it dry a bit till is done. You can always practice with a spare of cables and a piece of metal sheet.
post edited by atfrico - 2010/10/11 13:05:14

Those who abuse power, are nothing but scumbags! The challenge of power is how to use it and not abuse it. The abuse of power that seems to create the most unhappiness is when a person uses personal power to get ahead without regards to the welfare of others, people are obsessed with it. You can take a nice person and turn them into a slob, into an insane being, craving power, destroying anything that stands in their way.
 
 
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:11:29 (permalink)
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@ dejahn, have the board traces on the SLI3 been beefed up as well to handle the additional current? Not sure how different the actual traces are between regular x58's and classifieds 


I would not know really.  EVGA engineering would though.  Try firing off an email to Jacob or somebody else higher up and they should be able to rout your question to the right place.
 
On another note, I see evga_marketing lurking around
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:13:12 (permalink)

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:15:51 (permalink)
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ESATA to USB3 convertor.



Got it in the Classified 3 thread.  Thanks for that.  It's very good to know
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:17:18 (permalink)
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On another note, I see evga_marketing lurking around

You don't say It might be my assistant's beauty that brought him here.
 
@Falcon,
Agreed, that would be easier, but to find the right one is the kicker since heat is involved. I have never tried those before if should be interesting if someone tries it and give us the 411 on how they perform.

Those who abuse power, are nothing but scumbags! The challenge of power is how to use it and not abuse it. The abuse of power that seems to create the most unhappiness is when a person uses personal power to get ahead without regards to the welfare of others, people are obsessed with it. You can take a nice person and turn them into a slob, into an insane being, craving power, destroying anything that stands in their way.
 
 
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:20:26 (permalink)
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:25:06 (permalink)
I'm really curious what the official stance on this will be...just hopefully not "this is isolated and only in certain circumstances".  Most that run 1KW+ PSUs would fall into that "isolated" category.
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:34:14 (permalink)
I'm a total noob on how wiring works on the molex connector. In this picture, why did the person put both the red and yellow wires to the one yellow wire on the molex connector?
 


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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:41:00 (permalink)
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I'm a total noob on how wiring works on the molex connector. In this picture, why did the person put both the red and yellow wires to the one yellow wire on the molex connector?



This is exactly why I don't want to try this myself.  Like I stated earlier, many of you have the knowledge, skills, and abilities to handle something like this.  I don't unless I have someone walk me through it.  The company needs to give us an official stance on this subject an stop beating around the bush here.  The longer it takes the more I get upset.  I want EVGA to step up here and give us an official answer now!
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 13:48:38 (permalink)
The colours are not important.. He used red because he had some red wire.. Both are 12v pads on the board and they are going into 1 12v molex pin. As previously said, it probably would be better to use a pcie 6pin since there are 3 12v wires going to the connector as opposed to one.
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:02:47 (permalink)
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The colours are not important.. He used red because he had some red wire.. Both are 12v pads on the board and they are going into 1 12v molex pin. As previously said, it probably would be better to use a pcie 6pin since there are 3 12v wires going to the connector as opposed to one.

If I wanted to use this molex connector, why would I not run the wires from the motherboard to both the red and yellow points on the molex connector vs how the other person ran both wires to one point?
 


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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:06:36 (permalink)
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The colours are not important.. He used red because he had some red wire.. Both are 12v pads on the board and they are going into 1 12v molex pin. As previously said, it probably would be better to use a pcie 6pin since there are 3 12v wires going to the connector as opposed to one.

If I wanted to use this molex connector, why would I not run the wires from the motherboard to both the red and yellow points on the molex connector vs how the other person ran both wires to one point?




Because the red wire runs at 5v and the yellow runs 12v, therefore because we need 2 12v wires we must run the both to  the yellow wire's pin.. Hope that makes sense :)
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:07:29 (permalink)
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:25:22 (permalink)
i am not going to have that ugly thing sticking off the side of my e759 classified motherboard, and i shouldnt have to.  if this happens i have paid for the advanced rma, so i should get a new motherboard FAST. 

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:28:37 (permalink)
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i am not going to have that ugly thing sticking off the side of my e759 classified motherboard, and i shouldnt have to.  if this happens i have paid for the advanced rma, so i should get a new motherboard FAST. 


If it happens it might take other parts with it not just your Motherboard. Then you will talking to yourself saying what went wrong.

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:30:17 (permalink)
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i am not going to have that ugly thing sticking off the side of my e759 classified motherboard, and i shouldnt have to.  if this happens i have paid for the advanced rma, so i should get a new motherboard FAST. 


I agree. I don't want any Ghetto mod sticking off the side of my expensive 759 nor my expensive 760s.  This looks absolutely horrendous.  I can probably find a way to hide it, but I shouldn't have to.  Especially something that I have to make myself and didn't officially come from the company.
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:34:07 (permalink)
I think the "for sale" marketplace forum is going to have a lot of 759 and 760 boards showing up in the coming weeks.. there's already been several 759's just in the last week, lol. One of them (759 with certificate etc) went for $230.

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:41:10 (permalink)
Just went through half the posts and after I post this I think I'll power off and check my 24 pin connectors to see if there is any melting.

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:42:34 (permalink)
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i am not going to have that ugly thing sticking off the side of my e759 classified motherboard, and i shouldnt have to.  if this happens i have paid for the advanced rma, so i should get a new motherboard FAST. 

Yeah will here is the pisser for me. I bought the B-stock E759 mobo. It only has a 90 day warranty.

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:56:09 (permalink)
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I don't think its cool how people are quick to stab EVGA in the back when this is clearly a problem with not just there board. I mean if you put a Pratt & Whitney F100 jet engine (480) on a Ferrari (Motherboard) and then get mad at Ferrari for something failing or falling off at 600MPH is just ludicrous.


 
This is not stabbing EVGA in the back.  This is about receiving what we paid for and that is a mobo that is 3 way sli compatible with PCIe 2.0 certified GPUs.
The GTX 480 is PCIe 2.0 certified, and the 760 and other Mobos without the additional power plugs are not 100% safe running them in 3 way sli which the 760 is sold to do.
Is the Pratt and Whitney jet engine certified to be run in a Ferrari ? It is clearly not.  However, the GTX 480 is certified for use in the 760 by virtue of the PCIe 2.0 Specification.
These Specifications (PCIe and usb), socket types (cpu), etc...are the safeguard for components to run together cohesively, efficiently, and safely. That is the whole purpose of standards being agreed to by manufacturers. 
  
Unfortunately for EVGA and other manufacturers the excuse of they didnt know the GPUs would do that, doesn't wash. EVGA and others made both  the Mobos and the GTX 480 or at the very least had intimate knowledge of the workings and requirements the GPUs and Mobos. The overclocking tools for the end user was also made by EVGA and the other manufacturers. In this case I just dont see a firewall of plausible ignorance.
 
Somehow the Specification system failed. This failure not the responsibility of the end user.
 
I dont want a step up or a replacement board. I like my current board. I dont want usb3 or sata 6 or 4 way sli, because I didnt pay for those features, But I do want 3 way sli with PCIe 2.0 Spec. cards which includes GTX 480 because that is the feature I paid for.  All I ask for is fix my board  to prevent failure or guarantee full replacement of all damaged components in the event of board failure.
 
Stabbing EVGA in the back? nope. Just want what I paid for.





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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 14:57:59 (permalink)
 Well I don't have the Classified board but I do have 2 758 boards that I just checked and both have very hot 24 pin connections. On my first board I have 2 ATI 4890's and am on my third power supply, all Corsair 1000.
 
 The second board has 2 Nvidia 470's overclocked and DAMN is the connector hot! That pc has a Enermax 1200 power supply. It maybe my imagination but the connector looks slightly deformed.
 
 After reading all 13 pages I'm very nervous as both pc's are on pretty much 24/7 with my kids at home. I sure hope that EVGA will provide us with more info as how to handle this problem. I don't have a problem doing the mod but don't want to lose my warranty,

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 15:06:30 (permalink)
No way will I do this mod.  You simply should NOT have to do something like that in order to get your MB to work properly.  If this issue is not "isolated" after all and it happens to me, I'll RMA the board, RMA my power supply, and then promptly sell the board and switch to an Asus MB with the extra power connection.  Once is more than enough for a problem like this to happen.  

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 15:21:21 (permalink)
Do not wait until it happens to you, now I am down to a couple hard drives, cpu, and ram trying to figure out what is cooked... trust me you do not want to be in my shoes right now... get a replacement board be it EVGA or ASUS if you get ASUS make sure your ram is on the compatability list.
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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 15:39:38 (permalink)
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I don't think its cool how people are quick to stab EVGA in the back when this is clearly a problem with not just there board. I mean if you put a Pratt & Whitney F100 jet engine (480) on a Ferrari (Motherboard) and then get mad at Ferrari for something failing or falling off at 600MPH is just ludicrous.

This is not stabbing EVGA in the back.  This is about receiving what we paid for and that is a mobo that is 3 way sli compatible with PCIe 2.0 certified GPUs.
The GTX 480 is PCIe 2.0 certified, and the 760 and other Mobos without the additional power plugs are not 100% safe running them in 3 way sli which the 760 is sold to do.
Is the Pratt and Whitney jet engine certified to be run in a Ferrari ? It is clearly not.  However, the GTX 480 is certified for use in the 760 by virtue of the PCIe 2.0 Specification.
These Specifications (PCIe and usb), socket types (cpu), etc...are the safeguard for components to run together cohesively, efficiently, and safely. That is the whole purpose of standards being agreed to by manufacturers. 
 
Unfortunately for EVGA and other manufacturers the excuse of they didnt know the GPUs would do that, doesn't wash. EVGA and others made both  the Mobos and the GTX 480 or at the very least had intimate knowledge of the workings and requirements the GPUs and Mobos. The overclocking tools for the end user was also made by EVGA and the other manufacturers. In this case I just dont see a firewall of plausible ignorance.

Somehow the Specification system failed. This failure not the responsibility of the end user.

I dont want a step up or a replacement board. I like my current board. I dont want usb3 or sata 6 or 4 way sli, because I didnt pay for those features, But I do want 3 way sli with PCIe 2.0 Spec. cards which includes GTX 480 because that is the feature I paid for.  All I ask for is fix my board  to prevent failure or guarantee full replacement of all damaged components in the event of board failure.

Stabbing EVGA in the back? nope. Just want what I paid for.

OK. So why do you not blame the graphics card makers for making cards that didn't perform to existing standards? The boards were already out there, the 480's were not.. same logic.

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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 16:11:46 (permalink)
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I don't think its cool how people are quick to stab EVGA in the back when this is clearly a problem with not just there board. I mean if you put a Pratt & Whitney F100 jet engine (480) on a Ferrari (Motherboard) and then get mad at Ferrari for something failing or falling off at 600MPH is just ludicrous.

This is not stabbing EVGA in the back.  This is about receiving what we paid for and that is a mobo that is 3 way sli compatible with PCIe 2.0 certified GPUs.
The GTX 480 is PCIe 2.0 certified, and the 760 and other Mobos without the additional power plugs are not 100% safe running them in 3 way sli which the 760 is sold to do.
Is the Pratt and Whitney jet engine certified to be run in a Ferrari ? It is clearly not.  However, the GTX 480 is certified for use in the 760 by virtue of the PCIe 2.0 Specification.
These Specifications (PCIe and usb), socket types (cpu), etc...are the safeguard for components to run together cohesively, efficiently, and safely. That is the whole purpose of standards being agreed to by manufacturers. 

Unfortunately for EVGA and other manufacturers the excuse of they didnt know the GPUs would do that, doesn't wash. EVGA and others made both  the Mobos and the GTX 480 or at the very least had intimate knowledge of the workings and requirements the GPUs and Mobos. The overclocking tools for the end user was also made by EVGA and the other manufacturers. In this case I just dont see a firewall of plausible ignorance.

Somehow the Specification system failed. This failure not the responsibility of the end user.

I dont want a step up or a replacement board. I like my current board. I dont want usb3 or sata 6 or 4 way sli, because I didnt pay for those features, But I do want 3 way sli with PCIe 2.0 Spec. cards which includes GTX 480 because that is the feature I paid for.  All I ask for is fix my board  to prevent failure or guarantee full replacement of all damaged components in the event of board failure.

Stabbing EVGA in the back? nope. Just want what I paid for.

OK. So why do you not blame the graphics card makers for making cards that didn't perform to existing standards? The boards were already out there, the 480's were not.. same logic.

I do m8. In this case the manufacturer of the GPUs and the Mobos are the same. If for example if a person used Asus Mobo and Asus GPUs then Asus could only blame themselves. Same for the other manufacturers.
 
The way I see it is Asus takes the hit from the consumer. Asus hits Asus. Finally Asus hits Nvidea or ATI.
 
I used Asus as the example because I dont want to be seen as picking on EVGA. I could have chosen MSI, Gigabyte, etc... aswell.


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Re:EVGA X58 759 Classifed Limited Edition #551 down... going to get an ASUS....=/ 2010/10/11 16:18:45 (permalink)
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Because the 5870s/5970s/480s are designed to PCIe specs and not melting, the MB is, and other Mfgs boards work/designed fine.  Burro1 you have the right to feel the way you do.

Edit: And oh BTW the fix is to the EVGA MB NOT the 480 and EVGA has known about it for a long while and still sold the MBs as is.


Who is to say that the motherboard is the cause?  why do you assume that the board is at fault when only select card models are causing it?   seems like your logic is flawed.  there have been posts in here showing asus boards that have burned as well.  your comments are starting to confuse me and are becoming wildly inconsistent.

do you have a grudge against evga?


 
 
Did you bother to read the thread?  What you just wrote is illogical and contradicts your argument.
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