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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2020/12/31 09:03:01 (permalink)
What i don't get, is the just bruit force the mesh to the clocks of the cpu, and jack voltage to 1.4v or something, and run a test.
 
There was a Vince (Kingpin) vid with Gamers Nexes from a couple of years ago where they pushed the 7980 to 5700
and mesh to 4ghz, and it swallowed up 9900k for dinner, so its possible.
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2020/12/31 09:10:13 (permalink)
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What i don't get, is the just bruit force the mesh to the clocks of the cpu, and jack voltage to 1.4v or something, and run a test.
 
There was a Vince (Kingpin) vid with Gamers Nexes from a couple of years ago where they pushed the 7980 to 5700
and mesh to 4ghz, and it swallowed up 9900k for dinner, so its possible.




I mean I am sure it can be done with the correct cooling solution...lol... 

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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2020/12/31 10:03:27 (permalink)
I think that might be why INtel bruit forces its mainstream cpu's to heats death with 9900k and 10900k, and not
enough with the Skylake X series, since it has much lesser ownership. Unlike X58 where more people adopted it
over the Z55 stuff in 2008 09. where x58 was much faster then i 7 870s vs today where the mainstream stuff 
beats the x299 stuff, and thats why we are left with options to push x299 to max.
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2020/12/31 10:56:25 (permalink)
IMO X299 is limited by the cooling solution that is used, mostly due to Intel failing to innovate from a long period of zero competition in the market space... The only reason why there is so much overclocking potential on X299 with sub ambient cooling solutions is due to Intel having to produce a product that will work in any reasonable PC rig. There is a valid argument to be made that Intel inflates the X299's ability to be overclocked, by downclocking them from the start for marketing purposes. However I think they pushed the stock frequencies about as far as they could without causing them to melt in most consumers PC's. While current AMD CPU's have very little room if any at all for overclocking at least you can purchase an AMD CPU knowing that regardless you are getting the full possible performance and that nothing is being left on the table sort of speak, for the main stream consumer this gives AMD a large advantage IMO. It will be interesting to see long term what ends up happening with the Intel Extreme line up...     
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2020/12/31 11:34:03 (permalink)
I like that detailed explination about the platform, and it seems x299 needs exotic cooling is more for contests in the OC community, 
where as the mainstream is more for the acutalilty of computing whether gaming or workloads.
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2020/12/31 11:41:10 (permalink)
Small correction should have read ambient cooling solutions not sub ambient. I changed it... 

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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2020/12/31 12:09:56 (permalink)
I am rocking Corsairs best AIO right now, just under going custom loop, and it helps alot. I can't complain about heat at all
seeing how some others are getting exreme high temps on these chips under moddest loads. I sit around 50c under intense 
game loads like Cyberpunk 2077, to name.  Only trime i would ever see anything even over 70, is avx tile renders. other then, 
that  i get what i paid for, and IPC is damn good in games.  
 
Of the avx 2 settings, in UEFI , which one is most used, and which one can i desolve?
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2020/12/31 20:06:50 (permalink)
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You will lose some performance. I don't know which GPU you have but I have 1st place in Timespy for a 9800x and a single 2080ti https://www.3dmark.com/spy/13988569
I like the CPU test in Timespy because it shows gains with clock frequency/mesh frequency and memory speed/timings.
 
Maybe could give you a CPU score to aim for.




I really want to try and beat your Timespy score now... lol.


Have at it!
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/01 19:07:23 (permalink)
So, it looks like from the info, avx 3 in UEFI OC is the more intense one that creates most of the heat, but the
leastly used.
 
I might bring down avx2 to default clocks 3800, and see how well a 5Ghz OC would do, and i adjusted tjmax down to
93c, from a recomendation made about temps.
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/02 05:09:43 (permalink)
Nice cpu score. I have 9800x as well and hold #1 with a single 1080Ti. Can't wait to see what 3080Ti will do. I haven't seen higher than 11975 for my cpu score and I think that was at 5.2GHz, still testing. My GSkill 3200 cl 16 stock might be what's holding me back from 12000 threshold. I have only been able to get 3800 17 19 19 39 out of them.
 


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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/02 14:03:10 (permalink)
I get that too, What avx settings and vid settings did you use for that OC?
 
It seems though to get a stable OC at 5000, i had to run memory at 3600 cl 16, instead of 4000, cl 16, and mesh at 30, and voltage, 
at 1.115 on mesh, CPU at 1.325, and vin at 2.1v, and set Tj at 93c instead of 105, and offset avx at 5, and seems to not go above 85c under
a full load, even avx load tiles.  
post edited by dmann304 - 2021/01/02 16:06:41
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/03 13:53:40 (permalink)
I think I had 1 or 0 for the avx settings. Not certain. For my GPU I was running 2076 on the core and 1000 over on the memory. Having trouble getting those scores again, and I knew less of what I was doing then than now. lol
post edited by WarEagle69 - 2021/01/03 13:57:53


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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/03 16:32:14 (permalink)
Some of you are running 5ghz, what voltages are you using? and offsets? and also, did you lower the Tjmax down to
avoid overheating? i did a 93c, and 1.345v on core to keep it stable, cuz i notice, on random bootups, i get different 
behaviors, for some reason R20 did a pass just fine at 1.30v and all tests seem to pass and even games, and next day
would either error out, or not finish the benchmark.  so these things have day to day changes for some reason so i decided
to lock in the 1.345 and 2.10v and seems all ok.
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/04 13:43:32 (permalink)
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So, it looks like from the info, avx 3 in UEFI OC is the more intense one that creates most of the heat, but the
leastly used.
 
I might bring down avx2 to default clocks 3800, and see how well a 5Ghz OC would do, and i adjusted tjmax down to
93c, from a recomendation made about temps.




Be careful adjusting TJMax like that... The TJMax value that you set in the motherboard BIOS is used to calculate the actual temperature of the CPU core. For example if I set TJMax to 95C on my PC it shows a current package temp of 33C however if I set the TJMax to 90C it shows a current package temperature of 29C. That is a 4 degree difference in reported CPU temperature, which if my understanding is correct at 90C the CPU would actually be at 94C, another words it will be running hotter than you think. 

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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/04 13:51:35 (permalink)
Yea, TJ Max should be set to what the actual legit value is. On my 10940x it's 86c.
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/04 15:03:40 (permalink)
Wow, never thought of it that way.  Even though hwinfo, and coretemp says other?
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/05 15:49:03 (permalink)
I kept it 93, and stress tests pass at 5ghz, unlike when it was at 105, where i would get lockup in tile renders, 
According to Intel, the 9800x needs to be at 95c, since its its max temp allowed, X299 dark seems to be generous
about the setrtings, like ASUS is with its turbo settings, pushing higher then needed.
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/06 20:48:06 (permalink)
Ok , gonna drop the bucks on the 10980XE, I know its a heater, but i need speed. Alot of help here is 
appreciated, but i kneed IPC< and threads, and Jay and Steve says, this CPU has the higher core count
and a better OC, Unless someone can debate that:
 
What of the 2nd run of Skylake, and Cascade lakeX has the highest OC chances and IPC then?
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/13 22:06:06 (permalink)
Got the new Chip, and wow, its hot lol.  Is their a version of Eleet X for Cascade Lake X?
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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/14 06:05:02 (permalink)
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Got the new Chip, and wow, its hot lol.  Is their a version of Eleet X for Cascade Lake X?





I would not recommend using the Eleet software, there is better software for monitoring and the overclocking is not stable with it. 

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Re: EVGA X299 Dark, OC Or AVX 2021/01/14 07:01:55 (permalink)
I use static settings in UEFI anyway, just liked it. Thx though.
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