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2019/06/08 08:39:55 (permalink)
Hey guys so I am trying to overclock my system. Being that I’ve never done this I was hoping someone can guide me along the way and take a look at what I’ve come across. I’ve looked up YouTube videos and searched thru google but I can’t seem to find someone with my configuration.

I am running a i9-9900x skylake with the EVGA Dark X299 MB with 32gb ram 3200mhz 14C with a custom watercooled system using 2 360mm radiators and a Barrowch Cpu block and a Laing DDC pump which runs at full speed at all times. Flow meter says it pushes about 9-10L per minute

In the mean while I ran HWinfo with Prime95 to see what room I had for overclocking temps and seemed to me while testing in SMALL FFTS I was getting some really hot temps on stock. From what I read online these skylake-x cpus run really hot. I was getting 96-97c on 1 or 2 cores. Not really sure what to look for when looking at HWinfo other then I’m assuming anything that goes red is not good. Then when I reduced -50 on VCore and ran HWinfo again and my temps were below 88c at all times. If anyone can help that personally has a Dark X299 MB that would be awesome. I’m anxious to overclock my system as I feel I’m leaving money on the table performance wise if I left the system stock.

Hwinfo pic posted with RED readings is stock.

HWinfo pic WITHOUT Red reading is VCORE set at -50

Settings are back to stock

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 09:19:06 (permalink)
    I have the Intel i7-9800x (8 Core 16 Thread) paired up with the X299 Dark and a custom loop. 
     
    Few tips...
    • If you are using HWInfo I would ditch that software ASAP and switch over to HWInfo64. Similar name, but very different software HWInfo64 will allow you to see all of the sensors (of which there are many) on the X299 Dark. The naming of the sensors in HWInfo64 can be a little misleading/confusing and some of the sensors dont report "valid" data... To help you out I have attached my settings that I use for HWInfo64 that should clear out the non-valid/non useful sensors and re-name some of them to make them more identifiable. After you have installed HWInfo64 you should be able to just double click on the attached file and it will import my settings for you. 
    • Utilizing AVX Offset's for both AVX-512 and AVX/AVX2 will be critical to being able to overclock on the X299 platform, if you are not familiar with what I am talking about let me know. 
    • The newest version of Prime95 defaults to using AVX-512 which generates an extreme amount of heat and will almost certainly require you to use an AVX Offset in order to keep temperatures under control. I am going to guess that the reason why you are seeing such high temperatures in your initial testing is due to the lack of an AVX-512 offset. 
    • I found that the X299 Dark was NOT setting the correct TJunction value (max CPU temp) in the BIOS and I had to manually set this. For your CPU it is 92C and I would highly suggest that you change this setting from AUTO to 92C in the BIOS, think its under CPU Configuration if you cant find it let me know. An incorrect TJunction value in the BIOS could allow the CPU to overheat and it will result in incorrect temperature values being read by the BIOS/Software. 
    • While Intel puts the MAX temp for your CPU at 92C I would suggest not exceeding 80C. 96C is way too HOT... 
    • Before doing any overclocking I would suggest establishing a baseline with default/auto settings than start overclocking from that point. This will give you an idea of the CPU temps at stock and establish that the CPU is functioning correctly. 
    • Also check out this guide from Tin, https://xdevs.com/guide/e299ocg/
     
    My method for testing CPU stability... 
    1. Prime95 Small FTT - 1 Hour
    2. Prime95 Small FTT AVX-512 Disabled - 1 Hour
    3. Prime95 Small FTT AVX Fully Disabled - 30 Minutes
    4. Prime95 Blend AVX Fully Disabled - 1 Hour
    5. 3DMark Fire Strike Extreme Physics Test Only - 1 Hour
    6. Realbench Stress Test 32GB of Memory - 1 Hour
    This is my method for testing stability depending on your use case you may need to increase the amount of testing that is done, but I would run this at a minimum before saying that an overclock is stable. Yes, I would run all of these tests with the CPU on default settings as well to establish a baseline and make sure that CPU is functioning correctly. When running an AVX offset it is CRITICAL that you run all of the Prime95 tests mentioned above, its the only way to fully test the CPU. 
     
    Link To HWInfo65 Software: 
    https://www.hwinfo.com/download/
     
    Link To My HWInfo64 Settings: 
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ksNt-sqvVVjtDhQ35kqgXbrbpZgxU4Wu/view?usp=sharing 
     

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 09:34:17 (permalink)
    jasoncodispoti thanks for your response. I was actually using HWinfo64. I didn't realize there was a difference(rookie here) lol. Also not quite sure how to utilize the AVX offsets. and do you think my CPU reaching 96C could of done some permanent damage? is there a way to tell?
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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 09:40:57 (permalink)
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    jasoncodispoti thanks for your response. I was actually using HWinfo64. I didn't realize there was a difference(rookie here) lol. Also not quite sure how to utilize the AVX offsets. and do you think my CPU reaching 96C could of done some permanent damage? is there a way to tell?




    Regarding the high temperature anything is possible, but most likely you are OK. Which BIOS version are you using? Assuming that you have not changed the TJunction value in the BIOS already Inside of HWINfo64 right click on any of the CPU Core Temperature readings and select "adjust tj max" what number does it have set by default, this is what the BIOS is setting it to?
     
    Let me grab some lunch and I will make another post regarding AVX... lol. 

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 09:42:41 (permalink)
    Just changed it in the BIOS. Set tjmax at 92
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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 09:43:50 (permalink)
    Using bios version 1.17. The latest update
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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 11:08:22 (permalink)
    This has a lot of good information  https://xdevs.com/guide/e299ocg/
     
     
     
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    Thanks for helping the OP
     
    Nice detailed list
     
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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 11:22:39 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    This has a lot of good information  https://xdevs.com/guide/e299ocg/
     
     
     
    @ jasoncodispoti


    Thanks for helping the OP
     
    Nice detailed list
     
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    No problem, thanks! 

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 11:25:47 (permalink)
    I’m reading that link. Just need to fully understand it all.
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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 11:27:42 (permalink)

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 11:40:34 (permalink)
    Regarding AVX... 
     
    For the purpose of this conversation lets just say that the CPU can interpret 4 types of instructions; AVX-512, AVX2, AVX, and Non-AVX. The X299 Dark allows you to set what is referred to as an AVX offset for AVX-512 and AVX/AVX2. The offset for AVX/AVX2 instructions is combined into one setting within the BIOS. If for example you set the multiplier for the CPU to 45 the resulting frequency would be 4.5GHz, the max frequency the CPU would run at when processing Non-AVX instructions. Due to the increase in power consumption of both AVX-512 and AVX/AVX2 instructions it is typically not possible to run the CPU at 4.5GHz when processing those instruction types due to heat, this is where an AVX offset comes into play. Setting an AVX-512 offset of 5 would result in a maximum CPU frequency of 4.00GHz and setting an AVX/AVX2 offset of 2 would result in a maximum CPU frequency of 4.3GHz. By decreasing the max CPU frequency when processing AVX instructions you can decrease the power consumption and subsequently the temperature of the CPU. At a basic level this allows you to overclock for each type of instruction set that the CPU can interpret. 
     

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 11:52:53 (permalink)
    Understood. Thanks for that explanation. So being that overclocking has many variables/settings. For someone like me that has never done this how do I go about starting? Keeping temps low. And getting results that won’t fry my cpu with longevity lol
    post edited by Eddien2990 - 2019/06/08 12:22:43
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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 12:14:44 (permalink)
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    Understood. Thanks for that explanation. So being that overclocking are many variables/settings. For someone like me that has never done this how do I go about starting? Keeping temps low. And getting results that won’t fry my cpu with longevity lol



    Trial and error... Just slowly increase the CPU multiplier until the CPU either gets too hot or is not stable, dont forget to increase the AVX Offsets as needed. Below is some voltage information that you can use for a good starting point. Voltage is what kills CPU's its really the only thing that you need to "worry" about when changing settings pretty much everything else can be reversed. 
     
    Starting Voltage Settings: 
    • CPU VIN - 1.800v; You should be able to take this safely up to 2.000v, but it should not be needed. As a general rule of thumb dont go below 1.800v either as the CPU may start to phantom throttle (very hard to know that its doing this). 
    • VCORE - Override 1.200v; This is basically default voltage for the CPU, but should allow for some overclocking before you have to change it. For your CPU since its a 10 core CPU I would say max VCORE is 1.300v to 1.350v. Increasing VCORE voltage will help stabilize the CPU when overclocking. 
    • VMESH - Override 1.100v; I believe that you can go higher than this, but the returns are usually fairly minimal and not worth the extra heat. 
    • VSA - 0.800v; Default
    • VCCIO - 1.000v; Default
    • PCH 1.0v - 1.000v; Default
     
    If you end up applying settings that make it so the PC want turn on or boot, just hold down the reset button on the rear IO panel. Doing this will reset all settings in the BIOS back to default so be sure to save your BIOS settings to a USB drive so you load them back up. 
    post edited by jasoncodispoti - 2019/06/08 12:17:22

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 12:22:10 (permalink)
    So being that Prime95 got my CPU up to 96-97c on stock. Would any undervolting be needed? Also what would be a maximum voltage for my CPU. What should I not exceed?
    post edited by Eddien2990 - 2019/06/08 12:32:00
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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 12:34:38 (permalink)
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    So being that Prime95 got my CPU up to 96-97c on stock. Would any undervolting be needed? Also what would be a maximum voltage for my CPU. What should I not exceed?



    Possibly, but that can get a bit complex... For now I would suggest keeping things simply until you get the hang of it. The voltage settings that I suggested above are safe and should give you some room to overclock before needing to adjust them, but you will require an AVX offset to keep those temps under control. Start with an AVX-512 offset of 4 and an AVX/AVX2 offset of 2, if you have the temp headroom you can decrease those values, but you may find that you need to increase them as well. Also I would not suggest using Adaptive voltage stick with override for now. 
     
    Also try searching for Intel i9-7900x overclocking guides... the information in those guides will be very similar to your CPU. 

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 12:42:30 (permalink)
    In the BIOS is has the option of AVX2 and AVX3. Both set at 3. AVX3 would be AVX-512?
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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 13:24:21 (permalink)
    AVX3 is is AVX-512.

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    Re: EVGA X299 DARK NOOB 2019/06/08 14:12:57 (permalink)
    Is there anyway you can PM me? I can’t do it. Forum doesn’t let me
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