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2021/02/18 08:03:37 (permalink)
I recently bought the Z20 Keyboard and the X17 mouse ( 50% off was a too good to pass up the deal ) with this being my first experience with EVGA peripherals. I am a long time Corsair / Razer user. Couple of things, for me, I would love to see improved especially on the mouse. I routinely use the side front and rear keys for certain functions in games. Firstly, they are a bit too forward for easy reach with your thumb. Secondly, the buttons need to be either slightly raised or slightly bigger to give a more positive feel when trying to press either. Other than those two minor things, the mouse feels great. The ergonomics are solid, the weight ( I use all included ) is good and the overall function has been outstanding. On the keyboard side of things, I think the keys should have a more tactile feel. They seem to be somewhere in between a quiet key and a mechanical key. For what they are, they are pretty noisy. Function is good, lighting is pretty good. Design is really nice. Just the keys themselves. Overall, great job on them. I have already recommended the set to many of my customers who have custom machines as well as others that just love RGB peripherals.

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/18 08:38:02 (permalink)
    My mouse shows up today but I really have been liking the keyboard in the day I have had to use it. I did go with the clicky so I expected it to be noisy as it should be from the clicks but it really feels satisfying to use and the RGB looks great. I have also been reading all the reviews and maybe if I went from a $250 keyboard to this I would notice the flaws they point out but I am not. To me it seems like a great keyboard that feels premium and for the elite price a really great deal since most of the “problems” I read about in reviews can be fixed easily like a thicker wrist wrest or even changing the key caps when they wear out is issues that I feel are moot when they are inexpensive and easily made changes.
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/18 12:48:51 (permalink)
    I my self received the keyboard 3 days after purchase way to go EVGA. How ever my Mouse came today its only been 8 days but UPS dropped the ball I think. My thoughts on them both. I feel like the keys are really close to on another I keep hitting keys I do not mean to. Other then that the Keyboard is very smooth and the RGB is good as any. I just have mine white I do not like multy colors on my keyboard or pc for that matter. Again the keyboard is awesome I have been using it for a week and not one thig I would change. I love the wrist pad its very clean and comfortable. 
     
    On to the mouse PLLLLBBBB nau I do not like this thing. I wish I would have been able to get the wireless I hate my mouse having a wire. Its not that its a bad mouse by no means. It is just not that comfortable in my hand. I find the buttons to far forward like all of them. The mouse doesn't seem to roll with the contour of my hand. Its works well and I am about to play a few games with it to get the feel in game and button locations. 
     
    Now compare this mouse to my new Logitech G502 Lightspeed Wireless.  There is none! This mouse is unreal I love it. I just do not wish to run two different software's for mouse and keyboard. So I will be giving the Z17 a good run to try and fall in love with it. Its like anything you have to use for days to really give it a review. 
     
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/19 09:42:01 (permalink)
    Like any peripheral, I guess they grow on you and you learn to use them as they were designed. However, after many hours of use, I still think some slight improvement is needed to the mouse buttons and to the key switches. On another subject, we need a matching RGB mouse pad or mat to go along with the set.

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/19 12:06:10 (permalink)
    How do the feet glide on the X17? I'm very interested in getting one just trying to get a few more details
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/19 13:40:27 (permalink)
    jpace731
    How do the feet glide on the X17? I'm very interested in getting one just trying to get a few more details


    As good as any gaming mouse. Of coarse it also depends on your surface, but if you have a good mouse pad or mat you should be happy with the performance.

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/19 15:29:44 (permalink)
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    How do the feet glide on the X17? I'm very interested in getting one just trying to get a few more details


    As good as any gaming mouse. Of coarse it also depends on your surface, but if you have a good mouse pad or mat you should be happy with the performance.


    From the images I've seen the shape looks a little funny to hold in the hand. Does it have a different feel you need to get used to? Is it comparable to any mouse you have owned or can think of?
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/19 15:59:25 (permalink)
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    How do the feet glide on the X17? I'm very interested in getting one just trying to get a few more details


    As good as any gaming mouse. Of coarse it also depends on your surface, but if you have a good mouse pad or mat you should be happy with the performance.


    From the images I've seen the shape looks a little funny to hold in the hand. Does it have a different feel you need to get used to? Is it comparable to any mouse you have owned or can think of?


    It's a little bit smaller in my hand then the Corsair M65, but not to an extent that it feels odd. Only issue, as I listed above, is with the side button size and placement but still a very good mouse.

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/19 17:29:18 (permalink)
    jpace731
    How do the feet glide on the X17? I'm very interested in getting one just trying to get a few more details


    I had to change to a fabric mouse pad, the break away friction was too high with my hard Razer mouse pad.
     
    I have been using the G502 for years, before that it was the MX14 which was a similar design.  The biggest difference is the buttons on the side of the mouse, there are two less and it just so happens that they are my PTT buttons for in game and TS communications.  The thumb buttons are also different,  they are centered on the upper part of my thumb making it tougher to press quickly. Finally, the top right part of the mouse is narrower the the 502 which results in my pinky resting in  the air or on the mouse pad. 
    I will wait a week or so until I give it a final verdict, until then I'm reassigning buttons and trying to re program my muscle memory.  
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/19 20:25:12 (permalink)
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    How do the feet glide on the X17? I'm very interested in getting one just trying to get a few more details


    I had to change to a fabric mouse pad, the break away friction was too high with my hard Razer mouse pad.
     
    I have been using the G502 for years, before that it was the MX14 which was a similar design.  The biggest difference is the buttons on the side of the mouse, there are two less and it just so happens that they are my PTT buttons for in game and TS communications.  The thumb buttons are also different,  they are centered on the upper part of my thumb making it tougher to press quickly. Finally, the top right part of the mouse is narrower the the 502 which results in my pinky resting in  the air or on the mouse pad. 
    I will wait a week or so until I give it a final verdict, until then I'm reassigning buttons and trying to re program my muscle memory.  


    Good to know. I currently have a Razer Custom, but I'm kind of disappointed in the quality and will probably be looking to replace it fairly soon.
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/19 20:26:29 (permalink)
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    How do the feet glide on the X17? I'm very interested in getting one just trying to get a few more details


    As good as any gaming mouse. Of coarse it also depends on your surface, but if you have a good mouse pad or mat you should be happy with the performance.


    From the images I've seen the shape looks a little funny to hold in the hand. Does it have a different feel you need to get used to? Is it comparable to any mouse you have owned or can think of?


    It's a little bit smaller in my hand then the Corsair M65, but not to an extent that it feels odd. Only issue, as I listed above, is with the side button size and placement but still a very good mouse.


    Ok cool. I currently have a Basilisk ultimate but it's been giving me some minor issues and when I saw the X17 I was instantly interested. As far as the side buttons my grip is slightly far forward on the mouse so I'm hoping that will fit nicely. 
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/21 10:33:07 (permalink)
    I’m curious what switches is EVGA using in their mice? I’m not a fan of Omeron’s they die way to fast die people who use their pc constantly. So far my steel series rival 300 with their proprietary switches has been amazing. Sadly the 300 for cancelled, my hand guard rubber is worn though to the plastic and is about to wear though the rubber that connects the grip to the mouse. I do not care much for the 301 or 600 design so waiting on my EVGA x17 mouse to get here.

     
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/21 14:03:13 (permalink)
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    I’m curious what switches is EVGA using in their mice? I’m not a fan of Omeron’s they die way to fast die people who use their pc constantly. So far my steel series rival 300 with their proprietary switches has been amazing. Sadly the 300 for cancelled, my hand guard rubber is worn though to the plastic and is about to wear though the rubber that connects the grip to the mouse. I do not care much for the 301 or 600 design so waiting on my EVGA x17 mouse to get here.

    Great question, I wasn't able to find it anywhere. Let me know if you do
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/21 17:28:26 (permalink)
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    I’m curious what switches is EVGA using in their mice? I’m not a fan of Omeron’s they die way to fast die people who use their pc constantly. So far my steel series rival 300 with their proprietary switches has been amazing. Sadly the 300 for cancelled, my hand guard rubber is worn though to the plastic and is about to wear though the rubber that connects the grip to the mouse. I do not care much for the 301 or 600 design so waiting on my EVGA x17 mouse to get here.

    From their specs page: 
    x17 - Main Switch Type: Omron - 50 Million
    x20 - Main Switch Type: Omron - 60 Million Click Lifecycle
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/21 18:23:44 (permalink)
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    I’m curious what switches is EVGA using in their mice? I’m not a fan of Omeron’s they die way to fast die people who use their pc constantly. So far my steel series rival 300 with their proprietary switches has been amazing. Sadly the 300 for cancelled, my hand guard rubber is worn though to the plastic and is about to wear though the rubber that connects the grip to the mouse. I do not care much for the 301 or 600 design so waiting on my EVGA x17 mouse to get here.

    From their specs page: 
    x17 - Main Switch Type: Omron - 50 Million
    x20 - Main Switch Type: Omron - 60 Million Click Lifecycle


    Nice, thanks!
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 11:26:45 (permalink)
    My mini-review based on an hour of use and gaming.
     
    Background: diehard Logitech fan for decades now ("Git off my lawn!").  Currently using the 500s. I've replaced the skates on the mouse 4 times since purchase.
     
    x17
    1) Looks nice.  Feels solid. Aesthetically pleasing RGB that's not over-done.
    2) Software is easy to use.  Doesn't seem bloaty (it's a word now). Perhaps not as robust as other software (Steelseries, Logitech, ect.) but it gets the job done.
    3) Buttons: R and L buttons are super responsive. The activation distance is somewhere between the thickness of a gnat's eyelash and the circumference of a bee's knee. Really, it's that close. Easy to press. 
    Thumb buttons and wheel: Generally easy to access BUT (and here's the deal breaker) the wheel feels too far forward.  Perhaps it's my sausage fingers but I have to adjust my hand forward and back when using the wheel.  Perhaps it's my Logitech bias but it just wasn't as comfortable as my 500s.
     
    Verdict: I'm not keeping it.  It's a great mouse but not for me.  It DID force me to replace the skates on my 500s, though.  So, there's that.
     
    If anyone wants it look in the forum Marketplace for my listing soon. 
     

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 11:41:13 (permalink)
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    My mini-review based on an hour of use and gaming.
     
    Background: diehard Logitech fan for decades now ("Git off my lawn!").  Currently using the 500s. I've replaced the skates on the mouse 4 times since purchase.
     



    If you are using hard surface plastic mouse pad, that would wear out the feet considerably fast. If you like the fast slick surface of a hard plastic mouse pad they do make soft pads that have these micro beads on the service that make it very slick and more forgiving on the mouse feet. 


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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 12:16:12 (permalink)
    mizzer
    My mini-review based on an hour of use and gaming.
     
    Background: diehard Logitech fan for decades now ("Git off my lawn!").  Currently using the 500s. I've replaced the skates on the mouse 4 times since purchase.
     
    x17
    1) Looks nice.  Feels solid. Aesthetically pleasing RGB that's not over-done.
    2) Software is easy to use.  Doesn't seem bloaty (it's a word now). Perhaps not as robust as other software (Steelseries, Logitech, ect.) but it gets the job done.
    3) Buttons: R and L buttons are super responsive. The activation distance is somewhere between the thickness of a gnat's eyelash and the circumference of a bee's knee. Really, it's that close. Easy to press. 
    Thumb buttons and wheel: Generally easy to access BUT (and here's the deal breaker) the wheel feels too far forward.  Perhaps it's my sausage fingers but I have to adjust my hand forward and back when using the wheel.  Perhaps it's my Logitech bias but it just wasn't as comfortable as my 500s.
     
    Verdict: I'm not keeping it.  It's a great mouse but not for me.  It DID force me to replace the skates on my 500s, though.  So, there's that.
     
    If anyone wants it look in the forum Marketplace for my listing soon. 
     


    Awesome, thanks for all this info. I think I'm going to be trying the X17, I tend to hold the mouse a little further up so I'm hoping the buttons will fall into place nicely. We shall see


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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 12:29:01 (permalink)
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    My mini-review based on an hour of use and gaming.
     
    Background: diehard Logitech fan for decades now ("Git off my lawn!").  Currently using the 500s. I've replaced the skates on the mouse 4 times since purchase.
     



    If you are using hard surface plastic mouse pad, that would wear out the feet considerably fast. If you like the fast slick surface of a hard plastic mouse pad they do make soft pads that have these micro beads on the service that make it very slick and more forgiving on the mouse feet. 




    Thank you!  Sounds like a worthy replacement.  Do you have a brand in mind?

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 12:30:05 (permalink)
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    My mini-review based on an hour of use and gaming.
     
    Background: diehard Logitech fan for decades now ("Git off my lawn!").  Currently using the 500s. I've replaced the skates on the mouse 4 times since purchase.
     
    x17
    1) Looks nice.  Feels solid. Aesthetically pleasing RGB that's not over-done.
    2) Software is easy to use.  Doesn't seem bloaty (it's a word now). Perhaps not as robust as other software (Steelseries, Logitech, ect.) but it gets the job done.
    3) Buttons: R and L buttons are super responsive. The activation distance is somewhere between the thickness of a gnat's eyelash and the circumference of a bee's knee. Really, it's that close. Easy to press. 
    Thumb buttons and wheel: Generally easy to access BUT (and here's the deal breaker) the wheel feels too far forward.  Perhaps it's my sausage fingers but I have to adjust my hand forward and back when using the wheel.  Perhaps it's my Logitech bias but it just wasn't as comfortable as my 500s.
     
    Verdict: I'm not keeping it.  It's a great mouse but not for me.  It DID force me to replace the skates on my 500s, though.  So, there's that.
     
    If anyone wants it look in the forum Marketplace for my listing soon. 
     


    Awesome, thanks for all this info. I think I'm going to be trying the X17, I tend to hold the mouse a little further up so I'm hoping the buttons will fall into place nicely. We shall see






    Sure thing man.  Give it a try. It might be to your liking.

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 13:56:28 (permalink)
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    My mini-review based on an hour of use and gaming.
     
    Background: diehard Logitech fan for decades now ("Git off my lawn!").  Currently using the 500s. I've replaced the skates on the mouse 4 times since purchase.
     



    If you are using hard surface plastic mouse pad, that would wear out the feet considerably fast. If you like the fast slick surface of a hard plastic mouse pad they do make soft pads that have these micro beads on the service that make it very slick and more forgiving on the mouse feet. 




    Thank you!  Sounds like a worthy replacement.  Do you have a brand in mind?




    There are so many options out in the market I'd suggest checking out this video



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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 14:11:59 (permalink)
    I def. think the mouse is a bit on the small side


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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 20:10:30 (permalink)
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    There are so many options out in the market I'd suggest checking out this video





    Thank you for the link.
     
    I picked up this in medium: https://steelseries.com/gaming-mousepads/qck-series?size=m
     
    It'll pair nicely with my Apex Pro.

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 22:14:18 (permalink)
    Wired X17 was delivered today.
     
    I tend to pick my mouse up a lot when gaming to reposition, so a lot of side buttons or odd contours are a big turn off. I'm not really a macro kinda gamer. Luckily the software lets you turn off the buttons so wouldn't accidentally hit them.
    It doesn't work on hard mouse mats well at all. I ended up having to use a mouse desk mat I had in storage to make it workable.
    I like the weight as is right out of the box
    RGB Unleash had a firmware update waiting upon install
    I definitely like the RGB placement. It isn't overkill and feels a bit like my Logitech G303 in its simplicity.
    Playing WoW for an hour or so, I'm not sure if I'm going to make it my main gaming mouse. I'll give it a few more days to see where I land.
    Hey! At least the scroll wheel works unlike my EVGA Torq X5 so thats a positive step in the right direction.
     
     
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/22 23:54:40 (permalink)
    After getting used to the mouse a bit more I am really liking it. The mouse is comfortable in my hand and I have learned where the buttons are a bit better. Not that it was hard before and I am really liking the features like the sniper button.

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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/23 08:52:51 (permalink)
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    My mini-review based on an hour of use and gaming.
     
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    If you are using hard surface plastic mouse pad, that would wear out the feet considerably fast. If you like the fast slick surface of a hard plastic mouse pad they do make soft pads that have these micro beads on the service that make it very slick and more forgiving on the mouse feet. 




    Thank you!  Sounds like a worthy replacement.  Do you have a brand in mind?




    There are so many options out in the market I'd suggest checking out this video



    Nice! I'm actually looking into replacing mine (Razer customs are very low quality). While I know the other products razer makes are good I'm more interested in shopping around at this point
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/24 06:22:15 (permalink)
    I have an Artisan Ninja FX Hien (XSoft) and this mouse slides great on it. I had a little hitch at some point when I first started with the weight-compartment cover. The cover is held on with magnets, so it seems like the alignment wasn't perfect. I just snugged it up a little (pushing towards the clips on the one end) and now it floats around smoothly.


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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/24 06:59:50 (permalink)
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    I have an Artisan Ninja FX Hien (XSoft) and this mouse slides great on it. I had a little hitch at some point when I first started with the weight-compartment cover. The cover is held on with magnets, so it seems like the alignment wasn't perfect. I just snugged it up a little (pushing towards the clips on the one end) and now it floats around smoothly.


    That looks so soft, almost like it would squish down with weight applied. Do you notice any drag because of this?
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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/02/25 04:18:04 (permalink)
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    I have an Artisan Ninja FX Hien (XSoft) and this mouse slides great on it. I had a little hitch at some point when I first started with the weight-compartment cover. The cover is held on with magnets, so it seems like the alignment wasn't perfect. I just snugged it up a little (pushing towards the clips on the one end) and now it floats around smoothly.


    That looks so soft, almost like it would squish down with weight applied. Do you notice any drag because of this?


    I don't. It is definitely softer than I was used to as I had a razer aluminum hard surface before this. The artisan is about the weirdest thing I've seen for a mouse pad. It is a rough surface and some have complained about it roughing up their hands, but the tracking is unbelievable. Somehow, they've managed to make the material kind of hard and the only softness I notice is my palm sinking in a pinch. Personally, I don't do low dpi big swipes so I don't get the "rubbing my palm on sandpaper" effect I've seen from some reviews. I side grab the mouse with thumb and pinky pretty much and use more of a claw-grab. I don't know if you'd sink in more if you had the weight of your hand pushing on the mouse. It took a little while for me to get used to the different mouse pad, but I really like it now. Also, the very first match I popped into bf-5 with the new x17 (well, after going back down to 1khz because 8khz doesn't work), I got 5 headshots in a row and two more downs immediately after that, clearing the flag area and capturing before getting shot at. I was like "wow, ok new mouse, 7-0 kd right off the bat huh?" lol. I think I ended the round about 16-5 or something in second place in my team. Played a few more similar rounds and yeah, I think it's a good fit for me. Also, they make harder versions of this mouse pad. I read a bunch of reviews on various web sites, found a spreadsheet put together with supposed input from professional gamers and looked at their games and play-styles to determine which pad I was interested in. This one had an excellent rating on longevity, not killing mouse skates too fast (a little though), similar dpi usage as me, etc. If I find that spreadsheet, I'll post it back here. I don't remember which site ran it, but it was a Google docs sheet with several pages of helpful info.
    Edit: just wanted to be clear, it doesn't feel like sandpaper to the touch...
    Edit2: here's the spreadsheet I mentioned. It was put together by Hoya over at r/mousepadreview and r/mousereview on reddit. 
    post edited by Nike_7688 - 2021/02/26 07:18:10


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    Re: EVGA X17 mouse / Z20 Keyboard -constructive criticism 2021/03/03 02:18:49 (permalink)
    I currently still use my G502 that i was satisfied with for years, but the X17 (grey) should arrive on March 24th, judging by the what i read and heard i expect great things.

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