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Re: EVGA Team, Please implement a more robust anti-bot solution [ Possible solutions ]
2020/09/18 12:02:00
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Or follow Nvidia's lead. They have stated they are going to manually go through all sales via their store and make sure they are all non-bot sales.
I mean you say one per a household, make the botters have a unique address per unit to ship to.
Sadly the bot companies have this down, they offer their bot services for $75 to nab the item you want using your account information and purchasing preference. The bot executes the orders for the various people so majority of the time it’s not just one person buying all cards under one address which is why the goal should be to slow down and impede the bots in any way possible since they can’t be stopped outright.
If they have buyers already where do they get cards to resell? From what you said the cards are already spoken for. And people actually give the botniks their personal information as well as credit cards?
It’s a $75 buy in to have a chance to get the product, because the bots are so good at what they do it’s almost a guarantee, go look up BounceAlerts.
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Re: EVGA Team, Please implement a more robust anti-bot solution [ Possible solutions ]
2020/09/18 12:14:52
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I'm coming to think maybe what needs to happen is not more online and releases and PreOrders.
In person only on release day and for PreOrders would be the only surefire way to stop bots(until androids become a reality, but that's at least a couple decades away.)
With deep fakes and bots that can chat in text that appear almost human we need an in person solution. Or something only a human can do(actual Turing Test.)
The whole lining up overnight flange could be kinda fun, and it favors those who want it the most. The more motivated line up sooner and they get rewarded for their extra effort.
Seems like the most fair way might be in person Releases and PreOrders.
Anything people can do, people can undo.
"Humans are not rational animals, humans are rationalizing animals." -Robert A Heinlein
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Re: EVGA Team, Please implement a more robust anti-bot solution [ Possible solutions ]
2020/09/19 12:15:42
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Honestly with gigabyte showing NVIDIA may possibly have redeemable watch dog codes expire before end of November on the new Ti/Super cards it shows NVIDIA is possibly going to drop the stronger cards real soon after AMD shows their offerings.
www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/iv2ra8/_/g5opyyt/?context=1
Let the bots have all the Gen 1 3000 series stock, they seem they will be obsolete pretty soon with these larger GB variants.
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Re: EVGA Team, Please implement a more robust anti-bot solution [ Possible solutions ]
2020/09/19 12:20:24
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I think it'd pretty easy to solve the issue of bots and probably the large majority of purchasers by scalpers: 1. Implement a competent captcha to add cards to an online shopping cart. If necessary, resort to a code that's sent to the customers' email that needs to be entered on the store site, or ask a 'what is the 3rd word in the 2nd sentence of the following paragraph' or 'how many wings does a bird have' type of question. Or email customers an anagram or a word spelled backwards, in the middle of a sentence, and ask them to spell it properly on the store website. 2. Send an email link that's required to continue to the billing information stage of the checkout process. Include a couple of other links in that email, and randomize the ordering and titling of them to confound any automated processes. 3. Put a weekly or monthly limit on the number of cards that can be ordered using one account, one shipping address, and one billing address (which must match the payment method's information). The system automatically checks that more than 1 or 2 cards aren't being sent to the same address, or using the same billing address, or being paid for with the same credit card - and any attempts to do so are automatically denied. If companies aren't doing something like this, then it's probably because they don't actually want to stop the bots, the scalping, and the inflation of prices on the cards.
post edited by delicieuxz - 2020/09/19 13:32:47
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Re: EVGA Team, Please implement a more robust anti-bot solution [ Possible solutions ]
2020/09/23 13:35:15
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I think it'd pretty easy to solve the issue of bots and probably the large majority of purchasers by scalpers:
1. Implement a competent captcha to add cards to an online shopping cart. If necessary, resort to a code that's sent to the customers' email that needs to be entered on the store site, or ask a 'what is the 3rd word in the 2nd sentence of the following paragraph' or 'how many wings does a bird have' type of question. Or email customers an anagram or a word spelled backwards, in the middle of a sentence, and ask them to spell it properly on the store website.
2. Send an email link that's required to continue to the billing information stage of the checkout process. Include a couple of other links in that email, and randomize the ordering and titling of them to confound any automated processes.
3. Put a weekly or monthly limit on the number of cards that can be ordered using one account, one shipping address, and one billing address (which must match the payment method's information). The system automatically checks that more than 1 or 2 cards aren't being sent to the same address, or using the same billing address, or being paid for with the same credit card - and any attempts to do so are automatically denied.
If companies aren't doing something like this, then it's probably because they don't actually want to stop the bots, the scalping, and the inflation of prices on the cards.
I just find it surprising that the world of computer parts wasnt hit with bots like this sooner like back in the 780 Ti days or so because bots have been around for forever.
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Re: EVGA Team, Please implement a more robust anti-bot solution [ Possible solutions ]
2020/09/23 18:40:14
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I may have a better solution. Posted in the 30xx series forum. Gate sales by making 3080 stock initially only available to purchasers with an EVGA account created prior to September 16th, 2020. Today as an example. 4 PM PST, 3080 FTW3s go up for sale in the store, I'm mashing F5 on two devices, only to get page errors.... Under my proposed solution the cards go up for purchase, but for the next 24 hours they can only be added to the cart once signed in. If the account was created after 9/16 - Cannot add to cart. If the account was created prior to 9/16, can add 3080s to cart and checkout. After 24 hours any remaining stock is open to all account. This would allow everyone (new and old accounts) an opportunity to purchase while providing a mechanism that the vast majority of bots could not overcome. The people that have an EVGA account are going to be people passionate enough about the brand to have posted on the forums, or had purchased EVGA in the past and registered their product. I got my EVGA account when I registered for the warranty on an EVGA product. Extrapolate that out, anyone that has registered a product in the past has a good shot at having an account. At the minimum EVGA should pull their recent sales data on 3080s, and see the breakdown of account age as a percentage of sales. If its mainly accounts made prior to 9/16, then maybe EVGA enthusiasts are the ones flooding the site, and ultimately getting the cards. If the majority of sales are to new accounts it gives credence to the argument that bots are snapping up stock before an human could.
post edited by jaketeck - 2020/09/23 18:41:36
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Re: EVGA Team, Please implement a more robust anti-bot solution [ Possible solutions ]
2020/09/27 20:37:23
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Seems like obstacles to get over, with luck
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