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2021/10/17 23:18:33 (permalink)
I have read in several posts of people modding their 2080 TI hybrid with some kind of 4 pin adapter that enables control of the hybrid pump. This way, at idle, one can reduce pump speed, therefore, eliminating noise.
 
Is this hack possible on the RTX FTW3 3080 Ti Hybrid, the stock hybrid and not the 3080 TI + additional hybrid kit? 
Would this ruin the card/pump?
If so, can someone please give a detailed installation guide: What specific 4 pin adapter to buy? Where to plug it  on the RTX 3080 TI hybrid? Can the other end of the adapter go into any fan header on the motherboard?
 
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/18 09:46:10 (permalink)
    4 Pin PWM Fan Connector Female to 4 Pin Mini GPU Fan Connector Male - modDIY.com
     
    This is the one. I think you can use it for the 3080Ti Hybrid as well. 
     
    The male goes into the PCB (you will need to check which port is for the pump because there would be 2, one for the pump the other for the fan on the shroud). Female goes into the mobo which you can set to DC for 100% speed
     
    But I thought the pump always runs at 100% for the hybrid and that is the ideal way to run the pump..between 90 and 100%
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/18 10:01:42 (permalink)
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    4 Pin PWM Fan Connector Female to 4 Pin Mini GPU Fan Connector Male - modDIY.com
     
    This is the one. I think you can use it for the 3080Ti Hybrid as well. 
     
    The male goes into the PCB (you will need to check which port is for the pump because there would be 2, one for the pump the other for the fan on the shroud). Female goes into the mobo which you can set to DC for 100% speed
     
    But I thought the pump always runs at 100% for the hybrid and that is the ideal way to run the pump..between 90 and 100%


    Would I have to open the card to access this PCB?
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/18 10:10:19 (permalink)
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    4 Pin PWM Fan Connector Female to 4 Pin Mini GPU Fan Connector Male - modDIY.com
     
    This is the one. I think you can use it for the 3080Ti Hybrid as well. 
     
    The male goes into the PCB (you will need to check which port is for the pump because there would be 2, one for the pump the other for the fan on the shroud). Female goes into the mobo which you can set to DC for 100% speed
     
    But I thought the pump always runs at 100% for the hybrid and that is the ideal way to run the pump..between 90 and 100%


    Would I have to open the card to access this PCB?


    Yep. You will have to open the backplate and then the screws for the shroud to have access to the PCB. Maybe you can watch installation of a 3080ti hybrid kit to get an idea.


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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/18 10:13:09 (permalink)
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    4 Pin PWM Fan Connector Female to 4 Pin Mini GPU Fan Connector Male - modDIY.com
     
    This is the one. I think you can use it for the 3080Ti Hybrid as well. 
     
    The male goes into the PCB (you will need to check which port is for the pump because there would be 2, one for the pump the other for the fan on the shroud). Female goes into the mobo which you can set to DC for 100% speed
     
    But I thought the pump always runs at 100% for the hybrid and that is the ideal way to run the pump..between 90 and 100%


    Would I have to open the card to access this PCB?


    Yep. You will have to open the backplate and then the screws for the shroud to have access to the PCB. Maybe you can watch installation of a 3080ti hybrid kit to get an idea.

    The notion of doing this, tampering with $1.5k product, terrifies me,. Do you know if such an adjustment would void warranty?
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/18 10:13:22 (permalink)
    Chiyeji
     
    If so, can someone please give a detailed installation guide: 
     



    No.  This is a somewhat advanced mod and I recommend you do your own research.  There will be no hand holding.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/18 10:15:29 (permalink)
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    4 Pin PWM Fan Connector Female to 4 Pin Mini GPU Fan Connector Male - modDIY.com

    This is the one. I think you can use it for the 3080Ti Hybrid as well. 

    The male goes into the PCB (you will need to check which port is for the pump because there would be 2, one for the pump the other for the fan on the shroud). Female goes into the mobo which you can set to DC for 100% speed

    But I thought the pump always runs at 100% for the hybrid and that is the ideal way to run the pump..between 90 and 100%


    Would I have to open the card to access this PCB?


    Yep. You will have to open the backplate and then the screws for the shroud to have access to the PCB. Maybe you can watch installation of a 3080ti hybrid kit to get an idea.

    The notion of doing this, tampering with $1.5k product, terrifies me,. Do you know if such an adjustment would void warranty?


    If you destroy something during the process, it will definitely not be covered under warranty. If you know what you are doing and are extremely comfortable modding it, then only I would suggest to go for it. But short answer is no I guess. Maybe check with EVGA support.


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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/18 11:06:11 (permalink)
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    4 Pin PWM Fan Connector Female to 4 Pin Mini GPU Fan Connector Male - modDIY.com

    This is the one. I think you can use it for the 3080Ti Hybrid as well. 

    The male goes into the PCB (you will need to check which port is for the pump because there would be 2, one for the pump the other for the fan on the shroud). Female goes into the mobo which you can set to DC for 100% speed

    But I thought the pump always runs at 100% for the hybrid and that is the ideal way to run the pump..between 90 and 100%


    Would I have to open the card to access this PCB?


    Yep. You will have to open the backplate and then the screws for the shroud to have access to the PCB. Maybe you can watch installation of a 3080ti hybrid kit to get an idea.

    The notion of doing this, tampering with $1.5k product, terrifies me,. Do you know if such an adjustment would void warranty?


    If you destroy something during the process, it will definitely not be covered under warranty. If you know what you are doing and are extremely comfortable modding it, then only I would suggest to go for it. But short answer is no I guess. Maybe check with EVGA support.

    Will do.
    The overarching problem is if setting the pump lower than 100% is even a good idea to begin with.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/19 02:07:31 (permalink)
    Chiyeji

    Will do.
    The overarching problem is if setting the pump lower than 100% is even a good idea to begin with.




    Are you having audible issues with the pump?  If not, I would just leave it alone as you don't want to run the pump slower as they already are lower power pumps and not equivalent to the more powerful standalone premium pumps (DDC/D5s).

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/20 22:29:24 (permalink)
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    Chiyeji

    Will do.
    The overarching problem is if setting the pump lower than 100% is even a good idea to begin with.




    Are you having audible issues with the pump?  If not, I would just leave it alone as you don't want to run the pump slower as they already are lower power pumps and not equivalent to the more powerful standalone premium pumps (DDC/D5s).


    Yeah, I am having terrible pump noise issue. It sounds like a 1908 fridge about to die at any moment.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/21 00:45:46 (permalink)
    AFAIK both strix LC and ftw3 use same gen 7 asetek lauout even copper coldplate. According to TPU teardown you only need to remove plastic shroud to access 4 pin pump header

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/21 05:48:23 (permalink)
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    AFAIK both strix LC and ftw3 use same gen 7 asetek lauout even copper coldplate. According to TPU teardown you only need to remove plastic shroud to access 4 pin pump header




    Yeah from what I'm seeing it may be possible to pull apart the pump block and solder a proper 3 or 4 lead cable to the pump PCB to get RPM reading and PWM control.  Or not.  
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/21 07:16:25 (permalink)
    You sure you don't just have air trapped or getting into the pump?
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/21 07:51:50 (permalink)
    Chiyeji
    The overarching problem is if setting the pump lower than 100% is even a good idea to begin with.

    From a noise standpoint, obviously yes it would be a good idea. From every other standpoint, no; it is a bad idea. If it were a good idea which Asetek approved of, EVGA would have done it long ago and marketed it as a quieter pump or something.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/21 08:14:05 (permalink)
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    The overarching problem is if setting the pump lower than 100% is even a good idea to begin with.

    From a noise standpoint, obviously yes it would be a good idea. From every other standpoint, no; it is a bad idea. If it were a good idea which Asetek approved of, EVGA would have done it long ago and marketed it as a quieter pump or something.



    Fair enough, how is your Hybrid card doing at full pump RPM? 
     
    I think you give EVGA too much credit, their AUX fan header on the FTW3 isn't even PWM.  On previous gens the hybrid kits were much more popular on reference cards, where there is only the option to control two fans on Turing, and prior to that the RAD FAN got straight 12V and ran full speed all the time. LOL.  
     
    90%+ of ASETEK pumps in use have speed control.  There is massive risk from a stopped pump and maybe some risk from running it on the edge of stalling.
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/10/21 08:44:17
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 09:47:29 (permalink)
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    Fair enough, how is your Hybrid card doing at full pump RPM? 

    My power-modded (with soldering iron) GTX 1080, with custom water cooling, custom fan control circuit board, custom water temperature sensor, and custom fan and pump control software typed by yours truly, is doing just fine, thank you!

    I think you give EVGA too much credit, their AUX fan header on the FTW3 isn't even PWM.  On previous gens the hybrid kits were much more popular on reference cards, where there is only the option to control two fans on Turing, and prior to that the RAD FAN got straight 12V and ran full speed all the time. LOL.

    I agree, EVGA is incompetent.

    90%+ of ASETEK pumps in use have speed control.  There is massive risk from a stopped pump and maybe some risk from running it on the edge of stalling.

    Interesting, because the header on this product only has 3 wires.  So, you think that Asetek is purposely not giving EVGA speed control because Asetek has already sold it as a marketing option to competitors?
     
    Either way, this is a problem which needs to be worked out between EVGA and Asetek.  Taking matters into your own hands is a bad idea for a novice, especially since doing so voids the warranty on the entire EVGA product.  If it were me, I would do it.  I void warranties as a matter of practice.  But I can't suggest that upon others; especially not to a novice.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2021/10/22 09:51:52
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 10:13:24 (permalink)
    ty_ger07the header on this product only has 3 wires. 



    It's 4 wires at the card connector, 2 at the Pump (+/-).  The PWM/RPM leads pass through to the rad fans.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 10:17:54 (permalink)
    Are you the jester?  I'm talking about the way the pump is wired.  This discussion is about the pump, right?  Not the fans....
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 10:34:06 (permalink)
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    Are you the jester?  I'm talking about the way the pump is wired.  This discussion is about the pump, right?  Not the fans....




    DO YOU HAVE A HYBRID KIT?  HAVE YOU EVER READ THE DIRECTIONS?
     
    The HYBRID ***PUMP*** HAS TWO WIRES ELECTRICALLY CONNECTED TO IT:  +12V AND GROUND.  NO RPM.  NO PWM.  NO MAJIC 3RD WIRE.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 10:36:43 (permalink)
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    ....

    Wow, very enlightening.  Yes, I have read the instructions.  For multiple generations.  Different iterations are different, apparently.  I can't keep track of the silly implementations and silly revisions for no apparent reason.
     
    The conclusion is the same.  I am not sure what your point is.  We even agree on the conclusion.  You are trying to tear apart my posts for what reason?  Go goof around somewhere else.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2021/10/22 10:42:27
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 10:43:10 (permalink)
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    ....

    Wow, very enlightening.  Yes, I have read the instructions.  For multiple generations.  Different iterations are different, apparently.  I can't keep track of the silly implementations and silly revisions for no apparent reason.
     
    The conclusion is the same.  So, I am not sure what your point is.  We even agree on the conclusion.  So, you are trying to tear apart my posts for what reason?  Go argue with the wall somewhere else.




    What are you talking about?  All the Hybrid kits, from the 980 to 3080, have FIXED 12V pumps with NO RPM/TACH and NO PWM.  TWO WIRES.
     
    I said 90%+ of ASETEK pumps can be controlled - either by MB voltage, MB PWM, or in software.  There *might* be a few where they have to be on a fixed 12V with no control for whatever reason.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 10:53:11 (permalink)
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    I said 90%+ of ASETEK pumps can be controlled - either by MB voltage, MB PWM, or in software.  There *might* be a few where they have to be on a fixed 12V with no control for whatever reason.

    Sorry, by that definition, you are wrong.  If taking into account modification, 100% of Asetek pumps can be controlled.
     
    The question is: should this novice try to control their hybrid's pump speed?  No.  You agree.
     
    Step off.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 11:02:13 (permalink)
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    I said 90%+ of ASETEK pumps can be controlled - either by MB voltage, MB PWM, or in software.  There *might* be a few where they have to be on a fixed 12V with no control for whatever reason.

    Sorry, by that definition, you are wrong.  If taking into account modification, 100% of Asetek pumps can be controlled.
     
    The question is: should this novice try to control their hybrid's pump speed?  No.  You agree.
     
    Step off.




    Is math that hard?  90%+ covers the possibility that 100% could be controlled, though it would be foolish to assume that.
     
    Stop posting your arrogant Bull in threads about topics that you have zero first hand experience with and go buy some modern PC equipment.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 11:07:53 (permalink)
    Yet still you agree with my conclusion.  Interesting
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 11:24:22 (permalink)
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    Yet still you agree with my conclusion.  Interesting




    https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3485205
     
    My opinion on this is unchanged since performing it myself in mid 2019.  
     
    I don't know or care what your conclusion or opinion on it is.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 11:25:51 (permalink)
    Good for you.
    Have the last 12 replies benefited anyone or changed any opinions or conclusions?  No.
     
    kevinc313
    90%+ covers the possibility that 100% could be controlled, though it would be foolish to assume that.

    It would be foolish to assume that the speed of an electric motor can be altered?
     
     
     
    NOW, back in the real world, I thought that you were claiming that 90+% of competitors had pumps with speeds which are designed to be altered.  It is true that competitors do have the same generation of Asetek pump which is designed to have its speed altered.  90+% though, I doubt it.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2021/10/22 11:34:19
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 11:34:58 (permalink)
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    It would be foolish to assume that the speed of an electric motor can be altered?
     



    Stop wasting everyone's time with these ridiculous strawmen.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 11:37:39 (permalink)
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    It would be foolish to assume that the speed of an electric motor can be altered?

    Stop wasting everyone's time with these ridiculous strawmen.

    I agree.  Your arguments are needless and a waste of everyone's time.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 11:47:23 (permalink)
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    ty_ger07
    It would be foolish to assume that the speed of an electric motor can be altered?

    Stop wasting everyone's time with these ridiculous strawmen.

    I agree.  Your arguments are needless and a waste of everyone's time.




    Thanks for failing to add value to a thread for the Nth time this week.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3080 TI Hybrid pump control possible? Good idea? 2021/10/22 12:04:52 (permalink)
    For everyone else, let me sum this up for you.
     
    Approximately 10 months ago, I started to realize that the 3090 FTW3s had a problem.  On this forum, I started stating my opinion and started providing evidence as it became available.  Kevinc313 started stalking me and started arguing with me on the subject.  He would ignore the evidence provided and would instead resort to these sort of petty arguments about word usage and about stuff that had zero effect on the broader topic.  Now, I believe he is sour to realize that the cards have proven to have a problem, and is continuing to find silly reasons to argue with me whenever he can.
     
    Does this pump have 3 wires or 2 wires?  It makes absolutely no difference to this topic.   But he argues about it anyway.
     
    When the means is unrestricted modification, almost anything is possible.  There is absolutely zero doubt that unrestricted modification could yield an EVGA hybrid pump capable of spinning 1 RPM, or 100,000 RPM.
     
    But, regarding this topic, as it relates to the normal user, and as it relates to the product and the product's warranty, it is unwise for the normal user to modify this pump.  Modification is not covered by the warranty, and the long-term affects are not apparent.  We do know that some products do have a similar Asetek pump of the same overall generation, but it is unknown why EVGA's pump is not controllable while those competitors do have controllable pumps.  Is it something Asetek was unwilling to provide due to contract restrictions?  Is it something EVGA was not willing to pay extra for?  Is there any subtle differences between the two pumps other than the wiring exposed to the user?  We don't know.  What we do know is that any modification by the end-user will cause the warranty to be void.  Is it worth it?  Especially, is it worth it for a novice -- who is unsure of their skill and ability -- to modify a $1500 video card and void the warranty in the process?  No.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2021/10/22 12:06:19
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