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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 09:58:36 (permalink)
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Ok that’s great, thank you for your speedy reply, I will have a look at that now and come back. In the mean time, some more details on my PC.
Windows 10 version 2004.
OS Drive is m.2 SSD NVME 256gb, game drive for cold war 480gb SSD.
PSU is a be quiet straight power 750w, 16gb corsair vengeance @ 2400MHz.
Case is a be quiet dark base pro 900, 2 intake silent wings 120mm 1 exhaust silent wings 120mm.
CPU cooler is a dark rock pro 4,
Room temp is around 25 degrees, CPU temp in game is around 62 degrees , gpu temp in game is around 52 degrees.
Windows power setting is performance, as I checked this I noticed that nvidia power setting is optimal power, so I'll change that when I do the other testing you mentioned.
nvidia drivers 457.30
 
I will try all the other suggestions now and be back shortly




 
If you raise the performance of the GPU it will make the bottleneck even worse. 
 
That's how it works at 1080P....
 
 

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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 09:59:41 (permalink)
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but the reviews i have read, suggested that with my CPU, i would see an uplift from the 970, its a 970 for goodness sake. how is a 2080 getting higher frame rates?




 
CPU Bottleneck....
 
1080P....

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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:10:23 (permalink)
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but the reviews i have read, suggested that with my CPU, i would see an uplift from the 970, its a 970 for goodness sake. how is a 2080 getting higher frame rates?




 
CPU Bottleneck....
 
1080P....


but if you google or put in YT 3070 8600k they are getting a lot higher FPS than i am at 1080p i am about 100fps lower, how do i have cpu bottle neck and they dont. I'm aware that i will be bottlenecked but a handful of FPS difference between a 970 and a 3070 has to be wrong somewhere surely
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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:13:11 (permalink)
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but the reviews i have read, suggested that with my CPU, i would see an uplift from the 970, its a 970 for goodness sake. how is a 2080 getting higher frame rates?




 
CPU Bottleneck....
 
1080P....


but if you google or put in YT 3070 8600k they are getting a lot higher FPS than i am at 1080p i am about 100fps lower, how do i have cpu bottle neck and they dont. I'm aware that i will be bottlenecked but a handful of FPS difference between a 970 and a 3070 has to be wrong somewhere surely




 
Don't believe everything you see on YT... Or even MOST of it for that matter.
 
Your memory is also VERY SLOW...
 
 
 
 
post edited by jankerson - 2020/11/21 10:16:50

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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:31:07 (permalink)
Trojone
Ok that’s great, thank you for your speedy reply, I will have a look at that now and come back. In the mean time, some more details on my PC.
Windows 10 version 2004.
OS Drive is m.2 SSD NVME 256gb, game drive for cold war 480gb SSD.
PSU is a be quiet straight power 750w, 16gb corsair vengeance @ 2400MHz.
Case is a be quiet dark base pro 900, 2 intake silent wings 120mm 1 exhaust silent wings 120mm.
CPU cooler is a dark rock pro 4,
Room temp is around 25 degrees, CPU temp in game is around 62 degrees , gpu temp in game is around 52 degrees.
Windows power setting is performance, as I checked this I noticed that nvidia power setting is optimal power, so I'll change that when I do the other testing you mentioned.
nvidia drivers 457.30
 
I will try all the other suggestions now and be back shortly




 
What MB is it?
 
Like I said in the last post that DDR 2400 memory is SLOW, you are losing 30 to 50 FPS right there compared to DDR4 3200.
 
Sounds like you built more of a budget system and you are running into a serious system bottleneck now. And you aren't alone there from what I have been seeing lately with the 3070's and 3080's. 
 
It worked fine with your last GPU and likely would be fine with a 2070 or maybe 2080 now, maybe.....
 
But a 3070 is not a 2080 or a 2070....
 
 

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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:32:01 (permalink)
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but the reviews i have read, suggested that with my CPU, i would see an uplift from the 970, its a 970 for goodness sake. how is a 2080 getting higher frame rates?




 
CPU Bottleneck....
 
1080P....


but if you google or put in YT 3070 8600k they are getting a lot higher FPS than i am at 1080p i am about 100fps lower, how do i have cpu bottle neck and they dont. I'm aware that i will be bottlenecked but a handful of FPS difference between a 970 and a 3070 has to be wrong somewhere surely




 
Don't believe everything you see on YT... Or even MOST of it for that matter.
 
Your memory is also VERY SLOW...
  




 you are very right, my memory is very slow, I bought the 8600k a couple of years ago, and that ram, second hand cost me £120! ram prices were ridiculous a few years ago. its on the todo list, 
but i have to build my son a PC soon, now i have a spare 970, so i think i see an opportunity there!
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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:33:10 (permalink)
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but the reviews i have read, suggested that with my CPU, i would see an uplift from the 970, its a 970 for goodness sake. how is a 2080 getting higher frame rates?




 
CPU Bottleneck....
 
1080P....


but if you google or put in YT 3070 8600k they are getting a lot higher FPS than i am at 1080p i am about 100fps lower, how do i have cpu bottle neck and they dont. I'm aware that i will be bottlenecked but a handful of FPS difference between a 970 and a 3070 has to be wrong somewhere surely




 
Don't believe everything you see on YT... Or even MOST of it for that matter.
 
Your memory is also VERY SLOW...
  




 you are very right, my memory is very slow, I bought the 8600k a couple of years ago, and that ram, second hand cost me £120! ram prices were ridiculous a few years ago. its on the todo list, 
but i have to build my son a PC soon, now i have a spare 970, so i think i see an opportunity there!




 
What MB is it.....?
 
 

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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:36:45 (permalink)
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Trojone
Ok that’s great, thank you for your speedy reply, I will have a look at that now and come back. In the mean time, some more details on my PC.
Windows 10 version 2004.
OS Drive is m.2 SSD NVME 256gb, game drive for cold war 480gb SSD.
PSU is a be quiet straight power 750w, 16gb corsair vengeance @ 2400MHz.
Case is a be quiet dark base pro 900, 2 intake silent wings 120mm 1 exhaust silent wings 120mm.
CPU cooler is a dark rock pro 4,
Room temp is around 25 degrees, CPU temp in game is around 62 degrees , gpu temp in game is around 52 degrees.
Windows power setting is performance, as I checked this I noticed that nvidia power setting is optimal power, so I'll change that when I do the other testing you mentioned.
nvidia drivers 457.30
 
I will try all the other suggestions now and be back shortly




 
What MB is it?
 
Like I said in the last post that DDR 2400 memory is SLOW, you are losing 30 to 50 FPS right there compared to DDR4 3200.
 
Sounds like you built more of a budget system and you are running into a serious system bottleneck now. And you aren't alone there from what I have been seeing lately with the 3070's and 3080's. 
 
It worked fine with your last GPU and likely would be fine with a 2070 or maybe 2080 now, maybe.....
 
But a 3070 is not a 2080 or a 2070....
 
 




its an asrock z370 extreme 4.
i have been looking at the i7 9700k, but there is only so much i can get past the wife.
the memory is interesting, i didint realise i would loose that much.
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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:41:08 (permalink)
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Trojone
Ok that’s great, thank you for your speedy reply, I will have a look at that now and come back. In the mean time, some more details on my PC.
Windows 10 version 2004.
OS Drive is m.2 SSD NVME 256gb, game drive for cold war 480gb SSD.
PSU is a be quiet straight power 750w, 16gb corsair vengeance @ 2400MHz.
Case is a be quiet dark base pro 900, 2 intake silent wings 120mm 1 exhaust silent wings 120mm.
CPU cooler is a dark rock pro 4,
Room temp is around 25 degrees, CPU temp in game is around 62 degrees , gpu temp in game is around 52 degrees.
Windows power setting is performance, as I checked this I noticed that nvidia power setting is optimal power, so I'll change that when I do the other testing you mentioned.
nvidia drivers 457.30
 
I will try all the other suggestions now and be back shortly




 
What MB is it?
 
Like I said in the last post that DDR 2400 memory is SLOW, you are losing 30 to 50 FPS right there compared to DDR4 3200.
 
Sounds like you built more of a budget system and you are running into a serious system bottleneck now. And you aren't alone there from what I have been seeing lately with the 3070's and 3080's. 
 
It worked fine with your last GPU and likely would be fine with a 2070 or maybe 2080 now, maybe.....
 
But a 3070 is not a 2080 or a 2070....
 
 




its an asrock z370 extreme 4.
i have been looking at the i7 9700k, but there is only so much i can get past the wife.
the memory is interesting, i didint realise i would loose that much.




OH no.... Don't even think about it.... That MB can't handle it... The VRMS aren't good, don't waste your money.
 
What I would do is give your current system to your son and build a new machine for yourself.
 
And get a GOOD MB and RAM this time.

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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:48:46 (permalink)
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Hi, I’ve just got my 3070 ftw 3 ultra this morning, and I'm getting the same kind of poor results in games as OP is in benchmarks, and I know you will say I'm CPU bound, and I won’t say that I'm not, but with the same settings in Cold War as I had on my old card, a 970,  it seems I have gained 20 -30fps. Sometimes lower. Running a benchmark in MSI afterburner, while playing cold war, I can see that the 1% low is 35 fps and the average is around 120. I have all the settings on low. I would have expected a bit more of a jump from the 970. My friend has the same CPU, i5 8600k, I have mine overclocked to 4.5, although in cold war is was only showing as 4.1 in MSI,  we have the same monitor too, 1080 144hz, both have 16gb ram, and his 2080 with the same settings was getting 50 or more fps than me.
 
This website, claims that I should be getting roughly double than I am, on ultra settings and I'm on low.
I still have a lot of games to try but so far Shadow of the Tomb Raider was half of that on the website linked above, so was BF5 and Cold War.
I have used DDU in safe mode to remove the drivers and reinstalled them a couple times.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me?




Try turning the game settings Up .... 1080 & low settings is not much of a load on the GPU --> that can increase the CPU bottleneck
 
Tell use more about your PC might help ... OS details, Drive for OS & Game, drivers used, PSU, RAM, Case & case fans, Room temp & GPU temp
 
Which driver are you using ? 
What Nvidia Control panel & Windows Power setting are you using ?
 
 
Might want to try a Power flush
 

     1 - Shut down

     2 - Unplug PC & anything connected to PC that is plugged into the wall (monitor, printer, USB hub ...)

     3 - Now hold "start button" in for 20 sec to discharge capacitors ....

     4 - Plug in & reboot
 
 
 
Long shot ... In Windows ... Turn OFF ..... the update feature "Delivery Optimization"

It is known to cause stuttering in Windows 10
 
 
 




i have changed the power settings for nvidia to prefer maximum performance, turned off delivery optimization and did a power flush, and i have noticed a marked improvement on frames and 1% low. its gone from 107 average, 120 max 17 1% low to 151 average 214 max and 91 1% low. so thats a massive improvement. i still have lots more testing to do, but your suggestion has made a massive difference, thank you. i know, to get the most out of the card i need to change the RAM, CPU and probably monitor, but we cant so all these at the same time, well, some can, i cant!
thank you again. 
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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 10:54:46 (permalink)
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Trojone
Hi, I’ve just got my 3070 ftw 3 ultra this morning, and I'm getting the same kind of poor results in games as OP is in benchmarks, and I know you will say I'm CPU bound, and I won’t say that I'm not, but with the same settings in Cold War as I had on my old card, a 970,  it seems I have gained 20 -30fps. Sometimes lower. Running a benchmark in MSI afterburner, while playing cold war, I can see that the 1% low is 35 fps and the average is around 120. I have all the settings on low. I would have expected a bit more of a jump from the 970. My friend has the same CPU, i5 8600k, I have mine overclocked to 4.5, although in cold war is was only showing as 4.1 in MSI,  we have the same monitor too, 1080 144hz, both have 16gb ram, and his 2080 with the same settings was getting 50 or more fps than me.
 
This website, claims that I should be getting roughly double than I am, on ultra settings and I'm on low.
I still have a lot of games to try but so far Shadow of the Tomb Raider was half of that on the website linked above, so was BF5 and Cold War.
I have used DDU in safe mode to remove the drivers and reinstalled them a couple times.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me?




Try turning the game settings Up .... 1080 & low settings is not much of a load on the GPU --> that can increase the CPU bottleneck
 
Tell use more about your PC might help ... OS details, Drive for OS & Game, drivers used, PSU, RAM, Case & case fans, Room temp & GPU temp
 
Which driver are you using ? 
What Nvidia Control panel & Windows Power setting are you using ?
 
 
Might want to try a Power flush
 

    1 - Shut down

    2 - Unplug PC & anything connected to PC that is plugged into the wall (monitor, printer, USB hub ...)

    3 - Now hold "start button" in for 20 sec to discharge capacitors ....

    4 - Plug in & reboot
 
 
 
Long shot ... In Windows ... Turn OFF ..... the update feature "Delivery Optimization"

It is known to cause stuttering in Windows 10
 
 
 




i have changed the power settings for nvidia to prefer maximum performance, turned off delivery optimization and did a power flush, and i have noticed a marked improvement on frames and 1% low. its gone from 107 average, 120 max 17 1% low to 151 average 214 max and 91 1% low. so thats a massive improvement. i still have lots more testing to do, but your suggestion has made a massive difference, thank you. i know, to get the most out of the card i need to change the RAM, CPU and probably monitor, but we cant so all these at the same time, well, some can, i cant!
thank you again. 




 
Actually just get a new 1440P monitor and you would be fine. That is the cheapest way out really.
 
Your bottleneck will be gone.
post edited by jankerson - 2020/11/21 10:59:50

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i7 8086K, AORUS Z370 Gaming 5, 16GB GSKILL RJV 3200, EVGA 2080TI FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB, (2)SAMSUNG 860 EVO 500 GB, Acer Predator XB1 XB271HU, Corsair HXI 850W.
 
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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 11:02:23 (permalink)
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Hi, I’ve just got my 3070 ftw 3 ultra this morning, and I'm getting the same kind of poor results in games as OP is in benchmarks, and I know you will say I'm CPU bound, and I won’t say that I'm not, but with the same settings in Cold War as I had on my old card, a 970,  it seems I have gained 20 -30fps. Sometimes lower. Running a benchmark in MSI afterburner, while playing cold war, I can see that the 1% low is 35 fps and the average is around 120. I have all the settings on low. I would have expected a bit more of a jump from the 970. My friend has the same CPU, i5 8600k, I have mine overclocked to 4.5, although in cold war is was only showing as 4.1 in MSI,  we have the same monitor too, 1080 144hz, both have 16gb ram, and his 2080 with the same settings was getting 50 or more fps than me.
 
This website, claims that I should be getting roughly double than I am, on ultra settings and I'm on low.
I still have a lot of games to try but so far Shadow of the Tomb Raider was half of that on the website linked above, so was BF5 and Cold War.
I have used DDU in safe mode to remove the drivers and reinstalled them a couple times.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me?




Try turning the game settings Up .... 1080 & low settings is not much of a load on the GPU --> that can increase the CPU bottleneck
 
Tell use more about your PC might help ... OS details, Drive for OS & Game, drivers used, PSU, RAM, Case & case fans, Room temp & GPU temp
 
Which driver are you using ? 
What Nvidia Control panel & Windows Power setting are you using ?
 
 
Might want to try a Power flush
 

   1 - Shut down

   2 - Unplug PC & anything connected to PC that is plugged into the wall (monitor, printer, USB hub ...)

   3 - Now hold "start button" in for 20 sec to discharge capacitors ....

   4 - Plug in & reboot
 
 
 
Long shot ... In Windows ... Turn OFF ..... the update feature "Delivery Optimization"

It is known to cause stuttering in Windows 10
 
 
 




i have changed the power settings for nvidia to prefer maximum performance, turned off delivery optimization and did a power flush, and i have noticed a marked improvement on frames and 1% low. its gone from 107 average, 120 max 17 1% low to 151 average 214 max and 91 1% low. so thats a massive improvement. i still have lots more testing to do, but your suggestion has made a massive difference, thank you. i know, to get the most out of the card i need to change the RAM, CPU and probably monitor, but we cant so all these at the same time, well, some can, i cant!
thank you again. 




 
Actually just get a new 1440P monitor and you would be fine. That is the cheapest way out really.
 
Your bottleneck will be gone.


jankerson
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Cool GTX
Trojone
Hi, I’ve just got my 3070 ftw 3 ultra this morning, and I'm getting the same kind of poor results in games as OP is in benchmarks, and I know you will say I'm CPU bound, and I won’t say that I'm not, but with the same settings in Cold War as I had on my old card, a 970,  it seems I have gained 20 -30fps. Sometimes lower. Running a benchmark in MSI afterburner, while playing cold war, I can see that the 1% low is 35 fps and the average is around 120. I have all the settings on low. I would have expected a bit more of a jump from the 970. My friend has the same CPU, i5 8600k, I have mine overclocked to 4.5, although in cold war is was only showing as 4.1 in MSI,  we have the same monitor too, 1080 144hz, both have 16gb ram, and his 2080 with the same settings was getting 50 or more fps than me.
 
This website, claims that I should be getting roughly double than I am, on ultra settings and I'm on low.
I still have a lot of games to try but so far Shadow of the Tomb Raider was half of that on the website linked above, so was BF5 and Cold War.
I have used DDU in safe mode to remove the drivers and reinstalled them a couple times.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me?




Try turning the game settings Up .... 1080 & low settings is not much of a load on the GPU --> that can increase the CPU bottleneck
 
Tell use more about your PC might help ... OS details, Drive for OS & Game, drivers used, PSU, RAM, Case & case fans, Room temp & GPU temp
 
Which driver are you using ? 
What Nvidia Control panel & Windows Power setting are you using ?
 
 
Might want to try a Power flush
 

   1 - Shut down

   2 - Unplug PC & anything connected to PC that is plugged into the wall (monitor, printer, USB hub ...)

   3 - Now hold "start button" in for 20 sec to discharge capacitors ....

   4 - Plug in & reboot
 
 
 
Long shot ... In Windows ... Turn OFF ..... the update feature "Delivery Optimization"

It is known to cause stuttering in Windows 10
 
 
 




i have changed the power settings for nvidia to prefer maximum performance, turned off delivery optimization and did a power flush, and i have noticed a marked improvement on frames and 1% low. its gone from 107 average, 120 max 17 1% low to 151 average 214 max and 91 1% low. so thats a massive improvement. i still have lots more testing to do, but your suggestion has made a massive difference, thank you. i know, to get the most out of the card i need to change the RAM, CPU and probably monitor, but we cant so all these at the same time, well, some can, i cant!
thank you again. 




 
Actually just get a new 1440P monitor and you would be fine. That is the cheapest way out really.
 
Your bottleneck will be gone.



 i made some changes to the settings and I'm back to not being as good as my mate with the same every thing, but a 2080. is it worth testing my pc on the 4k tv to see how it fairs.
what do you think the mother board can handle in terms of memory, given i have to buy some for my son anyway?
 
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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/21 11:09:01 (permalink)
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Hi, I’ve just got my 3070 ftw 3 ultra this morning, and I'm getting the same kind of poor results in games as OP is in benchmarks, and I know you will say I'm CPU bound, and I won’t say that I'm not, but with the same settings in Cold War as I had on my old card, a 970,  it seems I have gained 20 -30fps. Sometimes lower. Running a benchmark in MSI afterburner, while playing cold war, I can see that the 1% low is 35 fps and the average is around 120. I have all the settings on low. I would have expected a bit more of a jump from the 970. My friend has the same CPU, i5 8600k, I have mine overclocked to 4.5, although in cold war is was only showing as 4.1 in MSI,  we have the same monitor too, 1080 144hz, both have 16gb ram, and his 2080 with the same settings was getting 50 or more fps than me.
 
This website, claims that I should be getting roughly double than I am, on ultra settings and I'm on low.
I still have a lot of games to try but so far Shadow of the Tomb Raider was half of that on the website linked above, so was BF5 and Cold War.
I have used DDU in safe mode to remove the drivers and reinstalled them a couple times.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me?




Try turning the game settings Up .... 1080 & low settings is not much of a load on the GPU --> that can increase the CPU bottleneck
 
Tell use more about your PC might help ... OS details, Drive for OS & Game, drivers used, PSU, RAM, Case & case fans, Room temp & GPU temp
 
Which driver are you using ? 
What Nvidia Control panel & Windows Power setting are you using ?
 
 
Might want to try a Power flush
 

  1 - Shut down

  2 - Unplug PC & anything connected to PC that is plugged into the wall (monitor, printer, USB hub ...)

  3 - Now hold "start button" in for 20 sec to discharge capacitors ....

  4 - Plug in & reboot
 
 
 
Long shot ... In Windows ... Turn OFF ..... the update feature "Delivery Optimization"

It is known to cause stuttering in Windows 10
 
 
 




i have changed the power settings for nvidia to prefer maximum performance, turned off delivery optimization and did a power flush, and i have noticed a marked improvement on frames and 1% low. its gone from 107 average, 120 max 17 1% low to 151 average 214 max and 91 1% low. so thats a massive improvement. i still have lots more testing to do, but your suggestion has made a massive difference, thank you. i know, to get the most out of the card i need to change the RAM, CPU and probably monitor, but we cant so all these at the same time, well, some can, i cant!
thank you again. 




 
Actually just get a new 1440P monitor and you would be fine. That is the cheapest way out really.
 
Your bottleneck will be gone.


jankerson
Trojone
Cool GTX
Trojone
Hi, I’ve just got my 3070 ftw 3 ultra this morning, and I'm getting the same kind of poor results in games as OP is in benchmarks, and I know you will say I'm CPU bound, and I won’t say that I'm not, but with the same settings in Cold War as I had on my old card, a 970,  it seems I have gained 20 -30fps. Sometimes lower. Running a benchmark in MSI afterburner, while playing cold war, I can see that the 1% low is 35 fps and the average is around 120. I have all the settings on low. I would have expected a bit more of a jump from the 970. My friend has the same CPU, i5 8600k, I have mine overclocked to 4.5, although in cold war is was only showing as 4.1 in MSI,  we have the same monitor too, 1080 144hz, both have 16gb ram, and his 2080 with the same settings was getting 50 or more fps than me.
 
This website, claims that I should be getting roughly double than I am, on ultra settings and I'm on low.
I still have a lot of games to try but so far Shadow of the Tomb Raider was half of that on the website linked above, so was BF5 and Cold War.
I have used DDU in safe mode to remove the drivers and reinstalled them a couple times.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me?




Try turning the game settings Up .... 1080 & low settings is not much of a load on the GPU --> that can increase the CPU bottleneck
 
Tell use more about your PC might help ... OS details, Drive for OS & Game, drivers used, PSU, RAM, Case & case fans, Room temp & GPU temp
 
Which driver are you using ? 
What Nvidia Control panel & Windows Power setting are you using ?
 
 
Might want to try a Power flush
 

  1 - Shut down

  2 - Unplug PC & anything connected to PC that is plugged into the wall (monitor, printer, USB hub ...)

  3 - Now hold "start button" in for 20 sec to discharge capacitors ....

  4 - Plug in & reboot
 
 
 
Long shot ... In Windows ... Turn OFF ..... the update feature "Delivery Optimization"

It is known to cause stuttering in Windows 10
 
 
 




i have changed the power settings for nvidia to prefer maximum performance, turned off delivery optimization and did a power flush, and i have noticed a marked improvement on frames and 1% low. its gone from 107 average, 120 max 17 1% low to 151 average 214 max and 91 1% low. so thats a massive improvement. i still have lots more testing to do, but your suggestion has made a massive difference, thank you. i know, to get the most out of the card i need to change the RAM, CPU and probably monitor, but we cant so all these at the same time, well, some can, i cant!
thank you again. 




 
Actually just get a new 1440P monitor and you would be fine. That is the cheapest way out really.
 
Your bottleneck will be gone.



i made some changes to the settings and I'm back to not being as good as my mate with the same every thing, but a 2080. is it worth testing my pc on the 4k tv to see how it fairs.
what do you think the mother board can handle in terms of memory, given i have to buy some for my son anyway?
 




 
It would do OK at 4K NOW, the 3070 isn't really a 4K card...
 
I would go with DDR4 3200 CAS 15 memory for your system and turn on XMP in the bios.
 
Check the MB Memory compatibility list before buying it however, should have actual memory listed that is compatible. 
 
But like I said, just get a 1440P monitor and that's it, it would be fine as is......
 
I wouldn't put another dime into the box other than a new monitor.....
 
Then build a new machine later.
 
 
 
 
post edited by jankerson - 2020/11/21 11:11:14

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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/24 14:33:34 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Performance Not So Good 2020/11/25 13:30:08 (permalink)
I just got a 3070 ftw3 ultra and can say they run right with a 2080 TI. If you need to compare just hit me up
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