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2022/01/14 11:42:07 (permalink)
So I have been thinking of changing my 3090 FTW 3 Ultra EKWB Water Block and Active backplate out for the Hybird kit just to make things easier when changing out hardware or should just use soft tubing? You think my temps on Hybird cooler be the same with the EKWB?
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/14 11:45:16 (permalink)
    On my 3090 kingpins the difference between the hybrid cooler and EVGA waterblock was over 10C under the same load.  Even the EVGA waterblock provided much better temperatures.  You would probably see even similar or better results with the EKWB block.
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/14 11:50:47 (permalink)
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    So I have been thinking of changing my 3090 FTW 3 Ultra EKWB Water Block and Active backplate out for the Hybird kit just to make things easier when changing out hardware or should just use soft tubing? You think my temps on Hybird cooler be the same with the EKWB?


    soft tubing FTW!
    i leave just enough slack where i can pull all the parts (either cpu, gpu or pump/res) off/out without breaking open the loop.
     
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/14 13:24:48 (permalink)
    earlmarinus
    So I have been thinking of changing my 3090 FTW 3 Ultra EKWB Water Block and Active backplate out for the Hybird kit just to make things easier when changing out hardware or should just use soft tubing? You think my temps on Hybird cooler be the same with the EKWB?



    It's really your call.  Sure it's easier to work with a Hybrid Kits instead of a custom loops but custom gives you the best temps.  Granted Hybrid have come a long way with the increased sized rads (240mm) and have come closer to custom temps.

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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/14 13:26:53 (permalink)
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    soft tubing FTW!
    i leave just enough slack where i can pull all the parts (either cpu, gpu or pump/res) off/out without breaking open the loop.



    I use EK ZMT in all of my personal builds for that reason.  I can take components out of the board and access M.2 slots or change CPUs easily.
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/14 13:43:06 (permalink)
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    soft tubing FTW!
    i leave just enough slack where i can pull all the parts (either cpu, gpu or pump/res) off/out without breaking open the loop.



    I use EK ZMT in all of my personal builds for that reason.  I can take components out of the board and access M.2 slots or change CPUs easily.




    Agreed, I've done hardline a couple times... never again, just using ZMT now so I can easily rip and replace things as needed.

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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 14:09:37 (permalink)
    The pump units in the Hybrids are trash. There is an alarming number of people having issues with them, myself included. 
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 14:20:35 (permalink)
    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?


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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 14:32:11 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?




    Yeah. Unfortunately, lots of us did not. 
     
    https://forums.evga.com/Kingpin-3090-pump-noise-m3230913.aspx
     
    https://forums.evga.com/Hybrid-pump-noise-on-the-3xxx-series-m3176261.aspx
     
     
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 14:44:27 (permalink)
    Go to soft tubing.....so much easier....the EK Full Cover Blocks are superior vs those hybrids.

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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 15:49:19 (permalink)
    +1 ZMT soft tubing.  Easy to work with and looks great
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 17:04:53 (permalink)
    I am still sitting with my KP HC block in the closet and got chicken on my last rebuild , I went EX 360 AIO for a 12900k on the side with the KPE Hybrid rad on the roof. uploaded pic in my mod rig... https://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?buildid=44032
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 17:22:53 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 17:38:32 (permalink)
    One of these days, I’ll create a hard-tubing build. For now, I’ve got soft tubing and it’s come in handy multiple times for motherboard swapping. So, soft tubing along with the EKWB blocks has my vote.


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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/18 19:07:51 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.


    Emwun Garand
     
    Yeah. Unfortunately, lots of us did not. 
     https://forums.evga.com/Kingpin-3090-pump-noise-m3230913.aspx
     https://forums.evga.com/Hybrid-pump-noise-on-the-3xxx-series-m3176261.aspx
     


    Dang. So all these are on the 30-series cards? I was talking about the hybrid cooler for the 10-series which probably explains why the 30-series hybrid coolers are way less expensive.


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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/19 13:13:48 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.


    Emwun Garand
     
    Yeah. Unfortunately, lots of us did not. 
     https://forums.evga.com/Kingpin-3090-pump-noise-m3230913.aspx
     https://forums.evga.com/Hybrid-pump-noise-on-the-3xxx-series-m3176261.aspx
     


    Dang. So all these are on the 30-series cards? I was talking about the hybrid cooler for the 10-series which probably explains why the 30-series hybrid coolers are way less expensive.




    People sometimes like to blow things out of proportion sometimes and since it's a forums where most of the issues will surface but not the platform for raving reviews by those that have no issues which is the majority, people will believe it's a widespread issue when it isn't.  Don't forget, the same pump is being used in all of the other CPU/GPU AIOs out there.  Yes, there are issues in the custom computing world and that's the risk and possible inconvenience we knowingly take. 
     
    As for the pumps, there will be a few that are defective or not enough fluid in them or not being installed properly forcing air pockets back into the pump until it comes to a screeching halt or just annoys one on a daily basis.  Again, majority if not all the AIO pumps come from one company who holds the patents to this and that is Asetek.  They are currently on the 6th gen pump, same one from the RTX 2000 series AIO GPUs.  People also thought that those pumps were bad because of those that had issues when majority did not.  The underlining issue is and this also includes CPU AIOs is, installation.  For many years consumers have been installing them incorrectly, the mfgers not to let them off the hook also displayed the same mistake and sometimes continue to do so in this day n age.  I've been saying this for a decade at the least.  Still have a Corsair H50 120mm (10+ years old) that is still operational in a 3rd PC (Family members), granted it's fluids are most likely low and only time will tell until it's ready to meet the others upstairs.  Yes, they have a resting place too.
     
    Tech Jeebus did a great explanation on this not too long ago.  Great watch.
     

     
    Here is Asetek FINALLY releasing a video after 10+ years of manufacturing these pumps on what to do if your AIO pump is noisy.
     


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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/19 14:37:12 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.


     
    Yup.  My first KPE hybrid lasted a week before the pump failed.  It was a shame too, card overclocked really well.  Someone got a great refurb/RMA
     
    Edit: Still happy and love my Kingpin 3090 even after all of the headaches and downtime TBH
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/19 14:41:36 (permalink)
    If you are that concerned about the need to change out hardware, switch to the EK ZMT tubing and the EK quick disconnects. This is what I use and I have 2 Strix 3090's in my production rig with QDs. Changing hardware is a breeze and I do not have to drain the loop. 
     
    EK-Pro CPU Quick Disconnect Kit - Special Connectors - Fittings – EK Webshop (ekwb.com)
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/19 14:42:05 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.


     
    Yup.  My first KPE hybrid lasted a week before the pump failed.  It was a shame too, card overclocked really well.  Someone got a great refurb/RMA




    I wish there was a way for people to be able to replace the HYBRIDs on their KPs instead of getting rid of their GPU even though they're all considered great GPUs and binned.  Not sure if the FTW3 HYBRID Kit would suffice while using the KP housing since all you're replacing is the AIO/pump.

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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/19 14:49:50 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.


     
    Yup.  My first KPE hybrid lasted a week before the pump failed.  It was a shame too, card overclocked really well.  Someone got a great refurb/RMA




    I wish there was a way for people to be able to replace the HYBRIDs on their KPs instead of getting rid of their GPU even though they're all considered great GPUs and binned.  Not sure if the FTW3 HYBRID Kit would suffice while using the KP housing since all you're replacing is the AIO/pump.


    Agree my friend.  I asked for a new hybrid unit instead but EVGA wanted the whole setup back.  I figured it was probably to avoid mixing and matching serial numbers in the wild before fully understanding the issue but didnt press the issue.
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/19 16:51:11 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.


     
    Yup.  My first KPE hybrid lasted a week before the pump failed.  It was a shame too, card overclocked really well.  Someone got a great refurb/RMA




    I wish there was a way for people to be able to replace the HYBRIDs on their KPs instead of getting rid of their GPU even though they're all considered great GPUs and binned.  Not sure if the FTW3 HYBRID Kit would suffice while using the KP housing since all you're replacing is the AIO/pump.




     
    My replacement card scored 193 fewer points in Port Royal. :( 
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/20 00:27:38 (permalink)
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    If you are that concerned about the need to change out hardware, switch to the EK ZMT tubing and the EK quick disconnects. This is what I use and I have 2 Strix 3090's in my production rig with QDs. Changing hardware is a breeze and I do not have to drain the loop. 
     
    EK-Pro CPU Quick Disconnect Kit - Special Connectors - Fittings – EK Webshop (ekwb.com)



    I chose not to use those QDC fittings for two reasons.  EKs previous QDC fitting had better flow rates and they were $29.99 for the pair.  Unfortunately, EK stopped selling the lower priced QDC fittings under their own brand last year.
    https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-qdc-10mm-gray
    https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-qdc-10mm-black
     
    VisionTek now sells them in a slightly lighter color than the original EKWB QDC fittings:
    https://www.visiontek.com/products/cryovenom-quick-disconnect-connector-qdc-set
     
    You can also get the fittings from other sources.  They are commercial/food industry QDC fittings.
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/20 00:28:35 (permalink)
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    My replacement card scored 193 fewer points in Port Royal. :( 



    193 points can be variance from run to run just by temperature fluctuations if the card isn't fully cooled between runs.
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/20 01:46:40 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.


    Emwun Garand
     
    Yeah. Unfortunately, lots of us did not. 
     https://forums.evga.com/Kingpin-3090-pump-noise-m3230913.aspx
     https://forums.evga.com/Hybrid-pump-noise-on-the-3xxx-series-m3176261.aspx
     


    Dang. So all these are on the 30-series cards? I was talking about the hybrid cooler for the 10-series which probably explains why the 30-series hybrid coolers are way less expensive.




    People sometimes like to blow things out of proportion sometimes and since it's a forums where most of the issues will surface but not the platform for raving reviews by those that have no issues which is the majority, people will believe it's a widespread issue when it isn't.  Don't forget, the same pump is being used in all of the other CPU/GPU AIOs out there.  Yes, there are issues in the custom computing world and that's the risk and possible inconvenience we knowingly take. 
     
    As for the pumps, there will be a few that are defective or not enough fluid in them or not being installed properly forcing air pockets back into the pump until it comes to a screeching halt or just annoys one on a daily basis.  Again, majority if not all the AIO pumps come from one company who holds the patents to this and that is Asetek.  They are currently on the 6th gen pump, same one from the RTX 2000 series AIO GPUs.  People also thought that those pumps were bad because of those that had issues when majority did not.  The underlining issue is and this also includes CPU AIOs is, installation.  For many years consumers have been installing them incorrectly, the mfgers not to let them off the hook also displayed the same mistake and sometimes continue to do so in this day n age.  I've been saying this for a decade at the least.  Still have a Corsair H50 120mm (10+ years old) that is still operational in a 3rd PC (Family members), granted it's fluids are most likely low and only time will tell until it's ready to meet the others upstairs.  Yes, they have a resting place too.
     
    Tech Jeebus did a great explanation on this not too long ago.  Great watch.
     

     
    All your YT videos for Dummies won't help if the pump sounds like a damn fridge (like mine does).
    I accept the noise and use a headset, and as soon as the 4000 series is available I'll sell it.
     
    Was thinking of RMAing the Hybrid Kit and had the RMA going, but Hybrid Kits seem to be out of stock...
     
    So I am just accpeting it until the next gen.
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    Re: EVGA Hybird Kit or Stay with EKWB FTW Cooler and Active backplate 2022/01/20 10:31:39 (permalink)
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    I've been using a hybrid cooler for ~4yrs now. I guess i got a good batch, eh?



    My first KP Hybrid had to be returned for a RMA within 4 hours of use due to a pump that died.


    Emwun Garand
     
    Yeah. Unfortunately, lots of us did not. 
     https://forums.evga.com/Kingpin-3090-pump-noise-m3230913.aspx
     https://forums.evga.com/Hybrid-pump-noise-on-the-3xxx-series-m3176261.aspx
     


    Dang. So all these are on the 30-series cards? I was talking about the hybrid cooler for the 10-series which probably explains why the 30-series hybrid coolers are way less expensive.




    People sometimes like to blow things out of proportion sometimes and since it's a forums where most of the issues will surface but not the platform for raving reviews by those that have no issues which is the majority, people will believe it's a widespread issue when it isn't.  Don't forget, the same pump is being used in all of the other CPU/GPU AIOs out there.  Yes, there are issues in the custom computing world and that's the risk and possible inconvenience we knowingly take. 
     
    As for the pumps, there will be a few that are defective or not enough fluid in them or not being installed properly forcing air pockets back into the pump until it comes to a screeching halt or just annoys one on a daily basis.  Again, majority if not all the AIO pumps come from one company who holds the patents to this and that is Asetek.  They are currently on the 6th gen pump, same one from the RTX 2000 series AIO GPUs.  People also thought that those pumps were bad because of those that had issues when majority did not.  The underlining issue is and this also includes CPU AIOs is, installation.  For many years consumers have been installing them incorrectly, the mfgers not to let them off the hook also displayed the same mistake and sometimes continue to do so in this day n age.  I've been saying this for a decade at the least.  Still have a Corsair H50 120mm (10+ years old) that is still operational in a 3rd PC (Family members), granted it's fluids are most likely low and only time will tell until it's ready to meet the others upstairs.  Yes, they have a resting place too.
     
    Tech Jeebus did a great explanation on this not too long ago.  Great watch.
     

     
    All your YT videos for Dummies won't help if the pump sounds like a damn fridge (like mine does).
    I accept the noise and use a headset, and as soon as the 4000 series is available I'll sell it.
     
    Was thinking of RMAing the Hybrid Kit and had the RMA going, but Hybrid Kits seem to be out of stock...
     
    So I am just accpeting it until the next gen.




    It's unfortunate you feel that way.  I hope you watched those videos for troubleshooting which was the whole point of my post to those that do have pump issues before RMAing as a last resort.  
     
    If you've tried it all, I would than advise to go with the RMA because they sometimes do have stock for RMAs while being sold out in retail.  

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